Trump/Republicans plans not to certify the 2024 election.

[HomerJS]

Put aside any hate for Rachel Maddow and listen to what she is saying and what Trump is saying to his people.

 

[nakedfrog]

Gosh, the folks that had a whole fake elector scheme are up to no good again?

 

[APU_Fusion]

Rachel Maddow gets into the conspiracy wound up weeds a bit much for me. If Kamala wins and red states refuse to certify then Biden can officially act her into office and do what is necessary.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I heard the same thing. They have a game plan, probably more thorough than before.

They're never going to stop. It it's not criminal, it's subversive. If not subversive, then destructive.

The only way it will end requires getting a sufficient number of their base to end their delusions, rejoin the human race, and walk away from Steve Bannon and his ilk.

Through all their obstruction to fail vote certifications, Harris will have to win. Biden's Supreme Court reform must be pushed through. The Insurrectionists must remain in prison for the term of their sentences. Trump must face trial for both the insurrection and the willful document theft.

 

[MrSquished]

I believe that this is all very very true.

 

[balloonshark]

Didn't some of the magats have physical access to the voting machines out west? Arizona? If so I wonder if they reverse engineered or found a way to hack the machines. Or even worse did they let russia poke around? I haven't heard whether the company redid the hardware or firmware because of the breach. This is just something I have been thinking about lately.

 

[Indus]

As usual dems bringing nothing to a gunfight.

All hail Emperor Trump of Trumpistan!

 

[APU_Fusion]

As usual dems bringing nothing to a gunfight.

All hail Emperor Trump of Trumpistan!

Diaper. Cleanup aisle 3

 

[Indus]

Diaper. Cleanup aisle 3

I'm curious how you think this has a chance of not coming true.

What's the plan? Hopes and wishes?

Didn't work when SCOTUS stole 2000 election.
Didn't work when McConnell stole scotus seats and rigged the court.

And when you try to bring it up.. Chuck Todd said.. "That ship has sailed and America doesn't care!".

 

[eelw]

I'm curious how you think this has a chance of not coming true.

When Harris wins, momentum will carry down ballot. So should retain senate and retake house. So any cheating in phony red state EC will get rejected by the new Dem controlled congress. Lol Harris gets to declare herself the winner

 

[Indus]

When Harris wins, momentum will carry down ballot. So should retain senate and retake house. So any cheating in phony red state EC will get rejected by the new Dem controlled congress. Lol Harris gets to declare herself the winner

Except if that race isn't certified, the house races aren't certified either, who holds the current house?

Little Mikey can just hand it to Trump!

It's in the constitution.. if unable to get to enough electoral votes.. the House will vote on the Presidency. That's how John Quincy Adams became POTUS.

The 12th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution

The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves;

constitutioncenter.org

 

[Leeea]

Except if that race isn't certified, the house races aren't certified either, who holds the current house?

Little Mikey can just hand it to Trump!

It's in the constitution.. if unable to get to enough electoral votes.. the House will vote on the Presidency. That's how John Quincy Adams became POTUS.

At that point it is time to just embrace presidential immunity and start killing people.


Democracy is dead at that point. It is a naked power grab. Might as well start the shooting while your side is still in power.

 

[Indus]

At that point it is time to just embrace presidential immunity and start killing people.


Democracy is dead at that point. It is a naked power grab. Might as well start the shooting while your side is still in power.

Unless Biden grows some major balls.. I doubt it.

The Trumpanzees and Trump are much smarter.. they know just like Russia/ Venezuela/ Syria/ Hungary/ North Korea.. might makes right and they're not afraid to outmuscle weak people who believe in democratic ideals!

Well okay I shouldn't call Trump smart because if the fix is in, why waste time campaigning and telling everyone the plan?

 

[eelw]

Except if that race isn't certified, the house races aren't certified either, who holds the current house?

Little Mikey can just hand it to Trump!

It's in the constitution.. if unable to get to enough electoral votes.. the House will vote on the Presidency. That's how John Quincy Adams became POTUS.

The 12th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution

The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves;

constitutioncenter.org

But doesn’t new congress gets sworn in Jan 3rd?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Rachel Maddow gets into the conspiracy wound up weeds a bit much for me. If Kamala wins and red states refuse to certify then Biden can officially act her into office and do what is necessary.

That would be seen as a coup and used to generate a violent response. It'll be seen as Biden just handing the presidency to Kamala.

 

[Zeze]

He can try to subvert it, again.

What's important is that he doesn't have a home field advantage at the white house. He's OUT. He can't pull off another J6 coup where he as a prez ignored bunch of phone calls as it was happening.

 

[Pens1566]

But doesn’t new congress gets sworn in Jan 3rd?

Yes, the newly elected congress is the one that certifies the Presidential electors.

 

[fskimospy]

That would be seen as a coup and used to generate a violent response. It'll be seen as Biden just handing the presidency to Kamala.

It would definitely be viewed by Republicans as a coup but at that point it doesn’t matter because the coup is already on with the refusal to certify.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

It would definitely be viewed by Republicans as a coup but at that point it doesn’t matter because the coup is already on with the refusal to certify.

Yup, but it sets up the continuing 'bothsides' narrative. At that point everyone can freely talk about the 2024 coup, and half the country will be talking about one thing while the other half will be talking about another.

 

[Brainonska511]

It would definitely be viewed by Republicans as a coup but at that point it doesn’t matter because the coup is already on with the refusal to certify.

It wouldn't be viewed by Republicans as a coup, because they wouldn't know what a coup was, even if their leader created elaborate plans to subvert an election and whipped up an angry mob to take down Congress during an election certification vote.

"It was just a sparkling riot."

 

[K1052]

Yup, but it sets up the continuing 'bothsides' narrative. At that point everyone can freely talk about the 2024 coup, and half the country will be talking about one thing while the other half will be talking about another.

Abandoning the country to rebellion is not an option IMO. If Republicans try to coup again it should be put down harshly.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Abandoning the country to rebellion is not an option IMO. If Republicans try to coup again it should be put down harshly.

Oh I agree, I was just saying that Biden 'official act'-ing Harris into the presidency will be seen as a coup, that's all.

 

[K1052]

Oh I agree, I was just saying that Biden 'official act'-ing Harris into the presidency will be seen as a coup, that's all.

It is the implementation of the will of the people as indicated by the election. The Republicans will cry stolen and there could be a lot of violence (which should be met with the utmost force) but that would likely not be avoidable if they pushed so far. Anyway if it truly came down to Trumpists effectively making me choose between their dictatorship or whatever comes next then there really is no choice.

 

[Brainonska511]

It is the implementation of the will of the people as indicated by the election. The Republicans will cry stolen and there could be a lot of violence (which should be met with the utmost force) but that would likely not be avoidable if they pushed so far. Anyway if it truly came down to Trumpists effectively making me choose between their dictatorship or whatever comes next then there really is no choice.

Legitimacy effectively derives from public opinion (as measured by the vote). The public at large isn't going to buy into Republicans arcane process to not certify results. The only way the Republican attempts could feasibly work is in a very tight election where they could throw up enough hay, but even then, that would be pretty dubious.

 

[K1052]

Legitimacy effectively derives from public opinion (as measured by the vote). The public at large isn't going to buy into Republicans arcane process to not certify results. The only way the Republican attempts could feasibly work is in a very tight election where they could throw up enough hay, but even then, that would be pretty dubious.

I don't think it is impossible Republicans act in ways that run contrary to public opinion in the name of trying to stay in or obtain power. I think the likely trouble is on the state end this time and not the federal level though and even that has probably (?) diminished from 2020. Federal courts are a wild card however which could sow chaos.