Trump refuses to provide proof salary donated as promised

[IronWing]

Keep in mind that at the same time he donated his public salary, he restructured his "blind" trust so he can pull out money any time he wants and gets to see what's going on. He's effectively back to running his companies just like he said he wouldn't. Between golf and running his companies, it's shocking he has time to fuck up the job of being President as much as he does. Trump continues to be the same old pathological liar he's been as long as he's been in the public light.

 

[pcgeek11]

Keep in mind that at the same time he donated his public salary, he restructured his "blind" trust so he can pull out money any time he wants and gets to see what's going on. He's effectively back to running his companies just like he said he wouldn't. Between golf and running his companies, it's shocking he has time to fuck up the job of being President as much as he does. Trump continues to be the same old pathological liar he's been as long as he's been in the public light.

Got some factual proof that he is back to running his companies or is that just a rumor?

I see nothing wrong with him using his own money. After all he is giving his salary back to the government.

 

[HomerJS]

Please do.

Not my job. Based on history he's lying until he proves otherwise.

Ya know like the tax returns under audit even though we've never seen the audit letter.

 

[ivwshane]

Got some factual proof that he is back to running his companies or is that just a rumor?

I see nothing wrong with him using his own money. After all he is giving his salary back to the government.

http://www.npr.org/2017/04/03/52251...nt-trumps-trust-lets-him-tap-business-profits


Your sources for news didn't cover this? Hmm...

 

[pcgeek11]

http://www.npr.org/2017/04/03/52251...nt-trumps-trust-lets-him-tap-business-profits


Your sources for news didn't cover this? Hmm...

As I said earlier. I have no problem with Trump spending his own money.

From your link:

It says the trustees "shall distribute" funds to Trump at his request. It also requires them to send him money when appropriate and for "his maintenance, support or uninsured medical expenses."

Essentially, the president can take money from his businesses whenever he wants.

It is his money and he is donating his Presidential salary so what?

 

[fskimospy]

As I said earlier. I have no problem with Trump spending his own money.

From your link:

It is his money and he is donating his Presidential salary so what?

So what? Holy shit.

The entire purpose of separating someone from their assets and placing them in a blind trust is so that they do not intentionally profit (or appear to intentionally profit) from their official actions.

Not only has Trump not done this, raising huge corruption issues, he's now gone back on his word on the little he did and restructured it so that there is literally nothing preventing him from immediately taking profits from his official actions.

If Trump owns stock in a company, gives it a huge federal contract, and then sells his stock when the price goes up would you say 'well it's his money!'?

 

[IronWing]

What Trump did goes beyond simply allowing himself an allowance. Eric Trump is now allowed to brief The Donald on the activities of his businesses, completely abolishing any vestige of "blindness".

 

[zinfamous]

[snip]



What exactly did you do for a living? I know a lot of hypocrite Republicans who made their living with overpaid government jobs, while also complaining whenever the same government that pays them thinks the low income private sector people receive too little and gives them food stamps or housing assistance.. Funny how they're the only Republicans who say unionized workers and government workers aren't overpaid, while a large portion of the private sector conservatives think they are overpaid.

nice post!

from what I Recall, compwiz claims to be a "salesman," and that you can drop him in any town with a dollar, a briefcase, and he'll be making money within a week so he says...

so you'll have to excuse him--as a salesmen, he has a lifetime of people generally hating him and slamming doors in his face, distrusting every word that slimes from his mouth, as he separates them from their well-earned money for whatever bullshit he spews and baubles he sells, comfortably thinking that he has "earned that."
He's probably exceedingly bitter whenever his well-worn spiel is questioned or rebuffed with reality.

 

[Exterous]

Keep in mind that at the same time he donated his public salary, he restructured his "blind" trust so he can pull out money any time he wants and gets to see what's going on. He's effectively back to running his companies just like he said he wouldn't. Between golf and running his companies, it's shocking he has time to fuck up the job of being President as much as he does. Trump continues to be the same old pathological liar he's been as long as he's been in the public light.

I don't get the point of putting in the comment about 'pull out money any time he wants' as thats pretty standard even in blind trusts (although maybe with limits for smaller sized trusts). As for having a family member run it I agree that it is problematic and I don't trust Trump to not abuse it but at the same time I don't know why anyone expected anything differently since he said back around the start of 2016 this was how he was going to structure it. I also don't think it was reasonable to expect Trump to sell assets with his name on it to third parties given his personality. This is side stepping the other issues involved like some sales requiring the approval of partners or other interested 3rd parties or liquidity issues before they could be transferred to a truly blind trust.

 

[Exterous]

Not only has Trump not done this, raising huge corruption issues, he's now gone back on his word on the little he did and restructured it so that there is literally nothing preventing him from immediately taking profits from his official actions.

If Trump owns stock in a company, gives it a huge federal contract, and then sells his stock when the price goes up would you say 'well it's his money!'?

Admittedly I have not kept track but did he say he was going to structure it differently than its current state? This mirrors what he said he was going to do in early 2016. As for 'taking profits' Bill Clinton's blind trust allowed him to withdraw money as he wanted as did Bush Jrs so its not like that is unusual for a president.

 

[IronWing]

Admittedly I have not kept track but did he say he was going to structure it differently than its current state? This mirrors what he said he was going to do in early 2016. As for 'taking profits' Bill Clinton's blind trust allowed him to withdraw money as he wanted as did Bush Jrs so its not like that is unusual for a president.

See my post above. Trump restructured the arrangement so that there is now no "blindness" to the trust at all. Eric Trump can brief him on the activities of his companies. We have to take Trump's word for it that Trump won't offer direction to Eric during these briefings.

 

[fskimospy]

Admittedly I have not kept track but did he say he was going to structure it differently than its current state? This mirrors what he said he was going to do in early 2016. As for 'taking profits' Bill Clinton's blind trust allowed him to withdraw money as he wanted as did Bush Jrs so its not like that is a change.

Yes, he said very clearly he was going to separate himself from his business and in the current situation he is so separated that he gets (at least) quarterly reports on how it is doing and can move money in and out of it at will. So...not separated at all and a recipe for basically unlimited self enrichment from his official duties if he wants.

The reason why Clinton and other people moving money at will from their blind trusts wasn't a problem is that they were actual blind trusts so they had no idea if moving money in or out would be advantageous based on their official actions. Not at all true here.

 

[Lash444]

So what? Holy shit.

The entire purpose of separating someone from their assets and placing them in a blind trust is so that they do not intentionally profit (or appear to intentionally profit) from their official actions.

Not only has Trump not done this, raising huge corruption issues, he's now gone back on his word on the little he did and restructured it so that there is literally nothing preventing him from immediately taking profits from his official actions.

If Trump owns stock in a company, gives it a huge federal contract, and then sells his stock when the price goes up would you say 'well it's his money!'?

Hey man, Congress earned that money by selling your online privacy. Let them spend it. *rollseyes* Idiocracy, the documentary.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't get the point of putting in the comment about 'pull out money any time he wants' as thats pretty standard even in blind trusts (although maybe with limits for smaller sized trusts). As for having a family member run it I agree that it is problematic and I don't trust Trump to not abuse it but at the same time I don't know why anyone expected anything differently since he said back around the start of 2016 this was how he was going to structure it. I also don't think it was reasonable to expect Trump to sell assets with his name on it to third parties given his personality. This is side stepping the other issues involved like some sales requiring the approval of partners or other interested 3rd parties or liquidity issues before they could be transferred to a truly blind trust.

Why wouldn't it be reasonable to require that? Nobody forced him to run for president, and closing avenues of obvious corruption potential is just good public policy.

 

[Exterous]

Yes, he said very clearly he was going to separate himself from his business and in the current situation he is so separated that he gets (at least) quarterly reports on how it is doing and can move money in and out of it at will. So...not separated at all and a recipe for basically unlimited self enrichment from his official duties if he wants.

The reason why Clinton and other people moving money at will from their blind trusts wasn't a problem is that they were actual blind trusts so they had no idea if moving money in or out would be advantageous based on their official actions. Not at all true here.

See my post above. Trump restructured the arrangement so that there is now no "blindness" to the trust at all. Eric Trump can brief him on the activities of his companies. We have to take Trump's word for it that Trump won't offer direction to Eric during these briefings.

The actual quotes I've seen say he is going to separate himself from his business by letting his children run the trust. He said that back in Jan 2016 - so basically this is exactly what he said he was going to do.

If I become president, I couldn't care less about my company. It's peanuts. I want to use that same — up here, whatever it may be — to make America rich again, and to make America great again. I have Ivanka and Eric and Don sitting there. Run the company, kids. Have a good time. I'm going to do it for America. ... I would put it in a blind trust. Well, I don't know if it's a blind trust if Ivanka, Don and Eric run it.

http://time.com/4182096/republican-debate-charleston-transcript-full-text/

Why wouldn't it be reasonable to require that? Nobody forced him to run for president, and closing avenues of obvious corruption potential is just good public policy.

Uh...I never said whether it would be reasonable or not to require that. I said I didn't think it was reasonable to expect that given his personality. There is a pretty big difference between those two statements.

 

[fskimospy]

The actual quotes I've seen say he is going to separate himself from his business by letting his children run the trust. He said that back in Jan 2016 - so basically this is exactly what he said he was going to do.



http://time.com/4182096/republican-debate-charleston-transcript-full-text/

Uh...I never said whether it would be reasonable or not to require that. I said I didn't think it was reasonable to expect that given his personality. There is a pretty big difference between those two statements.

He also said he would put it in a blind trust, which this is not even remotely.

As to what is reasonable, it doesn't matter what his personality is as to what we should expect.

 

[outriding]

He also said he would put it in a blind trust, which this is not even remotely.

As to what is reasonable, it doesn't matter what his personality is as to what we should expect.

He might not know what the businesses are doing, but putting his kids as advisors while they are running his company is the same end result.

His kids will advise him to do xyz, while he does not know the end result but the end result is the same.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

So we are all shocked and surprised Trump lies about donating his money. This was the pattern when he managed Trump foundation. Remember when he made promises to donate money to vets. Turns out he didn't until the press found out and forced him to do so.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...e-salary-trump-declines-release-proof-n732466

The obvious retort, who cares. I will ask, can you trust anything that comes out of this guys mouth? And if you still do why?

I can't put this in my Donald J Trump bullshit thread because he made promise before I started it.

I thought I saw in the news that he donated his pay to the Park Service. Dude...you're acting like a rabid dog. Pathetic.

 

[Exterous]

He also said he would put it in a blind trust, which this is not even remotely.

I can't find anything recent where he said this would be a blind trust. Anything I've found references his previous comments where he admits that if he goes forward with his proposed structure he doesn't know if it will be blind or not. Admittedly it was not a long search so hopefully you can provide a link to your claim.

As to what is reasonable, it doesn't matter what his personality is as to what we should expect.

So you really don't base any of your expectations on what trump will do based on his personality? His character and qualities have no impact on what you think he'll do? We might expect certain qualities from our Presidents overall but thats different from what we expect the person elected will do. For example I don't expect Trump will comply with anything other than the bare minimum of financial structuring or disclosure as required by law regardless of what I would hope someone in his position would do. For clarification I used reasonable not in a 'what a reasonable person would do' but as in 'has a reasonable chance of occuring'

 

[fskimospy]

I can't find anything recent where he said this would be a blind trust. Anything I've found references his previous comments where he admits that if he goes forward with his proposed structure he doesn't know if it will be blind or not. Admittedly it was not a long search so hopefully you can provide a link to your claim.

It was literally in the quote you provided.

So you really don't base any of your expectations on what trump will do based on his personality? His character and qualities have no impact on what you think he'll do? We might expect certain qualities from our Presidents overall but thats different from what we expect the person elected will do. For example I don't expect Trump will comply with anything other than the bare minimum of financial structuring or disclosure as required by law regardless of what I would hope someone in his position would do

I see what you mean, fair enough.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Regarding "Blind trust", these are Trumps actual words.

TRUMP: I would put it in a blind trust. Well, I don't know if it's a blind trust if Ivanka, Don and Eric run it. If that's a blind trust, I don't know. But I would probably have my children run it with my executives and I wouldn't ever be involved because I wouldn't care about anything but our country, anything.

His intent was to put control into the hands of family, whether or not it was a blind trust proper. Trump clearly stated intent and ignorance of what a proper blind trust is. As I understand it that's what he's done.

 

[HomerJS]

I thought I saw in the news that he donated his pay to the Park Service. Dude...you're acting like a rabid dog. Pathetic.

Actually we don't really know that. Haven't seen a receipt. Remember we are dealing with a guy that lies more then he tells the truth.

 

[Chiropteran]

Keep in mind that at the same time he donated his public salary, he restructured his "blind" trust so he can pull out money any time he wants

ROFL, you are just so pissed at everything.

"herp derp he might be donating his salary but he is spending his own money on himself! how dare he!"

Since Trump is doing it, do you now hate it when people live off of their own means?

 

[fskimospy]

Regarding "Blind trust", these are Trumps actual words.

His intent was to put control into the hands of family, whether or not it was a blind trust proper. Trump clearly stated intent and ignorance of what a proper blind trust is. As I understand it that's what he's done.

This is all kind of meaningless anyway as the issue is whether he has actually separated himself from his business or not. He obviously has not.

 

[Chiropteran]

Regarding "Blind trust", these are Trumps actual words.



His intent was to put control into the hands of family, whether or not it was a blind trust proper. Trump clearly stated intent and ignorance of what a proper blind trust is. As I understand it that's what he's done.

He said exactly what he would do, and he said he wasn't sure if it was considered a blind trust or not. What is the problem?