Trump refuses to provide proof salary donated as promised

[bshole]

Let me put on my pussy hat and ponder on it a bit. I'll get back to you.

In a later post you railed on about big money donors and rich people in the political process. If Hillary, with the help of the big money donors and rich people that backed her had won, would you still be lamenting along the lines of "destroying our democratic republic, our middle class, our freedom and ultimately our country."

I'll answer for you because you're incapable of any form of objectivity. You would have had no fucking problems with it at all. You'd be doing the happy dance.

Dude that was the main reason I wasn't a Hillary fan. It was not a secret. I posted on it OFTEN and in excruciating detail, go back and look. Turns out Trump is worse than even Hillary in this regard.

I think the data is pretty damn incontrovertible about the long term arc of our "democratic republic".

 

[brycejones]

So.... you (and people like you) wanted a cabinet full of billionaires and wall street bankers..... some of which gave us the great collapse of '08? You actually believe they are going to do something that benefits you, the middle class or America?

What in the holy hell do you think he meant by draining the swamp? I am very interested to know.

The death tax needs to make a serious comeback. Mutligenerational concentration of unearned wealth is bad for democracy. There are ways to structure it to eliminate the freakout about killing family farms and small businesses.

But instead we'll get more bloviating about the need to protect the jerb creators. For now though the rising tide is only lifting some mega yachts. The row boats are filling with water after being used for target practice by those on the yachts.

 

[HomerJS]

And you're just the guy to keep score. I bet you've got news articles about Trump covering at least one wall of your residence don't you? 0bama's are plastering the walls of your bedroom, Trumps are probably right there in the living room.

Funny I doubt you would tolerate this kind of everyday lying from your child yet its ok in a President.

Let's just let Trump continue to lie about almost everything until it costs someone their life. Wait that may have happened in the Syrian raid according to the soldiers father.

 

[boomerang]

Funny I doubt you would tolerate this kind of everyday lying from your child yet its ok in a President.

Let's just let Trump continue to lie about almost everything until it costs someone their life. Wait that may have happened in the Syrian raid according to the soldiers father.

"If you like your doctor you will be able to keep your doctor."

"We’re going to lower your premiums by up to $2500 per family per year.”

“No family making less than $250,000 a year will see their taxes increase.”

"I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits, now or in the future.”

“I will sign a universal healthcare bill into law…that covers every American.”

How many people lost their life because instead of getting the pacemaker they got a pill? Your hero thought that was a reasonable thing and he told all those huge lies quoted above just regarding his healthcare plan alone.

Just come out and say it, you hate Trump. Another poster already did this today. I can respect the honesty. But this constant holier-than-thou spin is transparently bullshit.

 

[fskimospy]

"If you like your doctor you will be able to keep your doctor."

"We’re going to lower your premiums by up to $2500 per family per year.”

“No family making less than $250,000 a year will see their taxes increase.”

"I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits, now or in the future.”

“I will sign a universal healthcare bill into law…that covers every American.”

How many people lost their life because instead of getting the pacemaker they got a pill? Your hero thought that was a reasonable thing and he told all those huge lies quoted above just regarding his healthcare plan alone.

Just come out and say it, you hate Trump. Another poster already did this today. I can respect the honesty. But this constant holier-than-thou spin is transparently bullshit.

What's funny is that a bunch of those statements were totally true but you're here lying about them and saying they are 'huge lies', specifically the ACA lowered deficits and the ACA only raised taxes on households making $250k or more. Those are both totally true.

Tsk tsk, boomer. If you're going to complain about other people lying it's best not to transparently lie about it yourself.

 

[Thump553]

Most of the Trump defenders here are claiming there is no proof Trump didn't donate the money, or that he may donate it in the future. The article linked in the OP states what I recall-that Trump expressly promised he would not ACCEPT he salary. He didn't make some sort of vague promise to donate it someday, somehow. It should be very easy to prove if Trump is lying-yet again-if he will disclose the evidence..

I feel sorry for parents today-it must be extremely hard to train your kids between right and wrong when the President lies so repeatedly and obviously. It must be especially hard on the purported Christians that support him. The mental gymnastics involved would give me a permanent migraine.

 

[zinfamous]

Think on it a bit if you need to and then if you're inclined to do so, tell us all why Trump's version of draining the swamp should have matched up with yours.

this the type of answer you give when you want to claim victory regardless of the outcome, especially when you certainly know that you are equally disappointed with the outcome.

 

[HomerJS]

What's funny is that a bunch of those statements were totally true but you're here lying about them and saying they are 'huge lies', specifically the ACA lowered deficits and the ACA only raised taxes on households making $250k or more. Those are both totally true.

Tsk tsk, boomer. If you're going to complain about other people lying it's best not to transparently lie about it yourself.

and any list the boomer can create took Obama 8 years. Trump has eclipsed that in 1 month. What the fuck is that going to look like in 4 years???

 

[HomerJS]

Most of the Trump defenders here are claiming there is no proof Trump didn't donate the money, or that he may donate it in the future. The article linked in the OP states what I recall-that Trump expressly promised he would not ACCEPT he salary. He didn't make some sort of vague promise to donate it someday, somehow. It should be very easy to prove if Trump is lying-yet again-if he will disclose the evidence..

I feel sorry for parents today-it must be extremely hard to train your kids between right and wrong when the President lies so repeatedly and obviously. It must be especially hard on the purported Christians that support him. The mental gymnastics involved would give me a permanent migraine.

Remember the day when we told our kids the President can be admired? Them days is gone folks!

 

[wirelessenabled]

Have you heard of the US Constitution? Maybe the emoluments clause of the Constitution. There is the law that Trump is breaking.

 

[pcgeek11]

Truth-telling is not an important quality, according to a Trump voter; my shock at this revelation equals that of reading the OP. No doubt that when Trump is known to have broken the law, the response will be the same, just with a new "as long as" excuse.

Where did Trump lie about donating his Presidential salary to charity? The truth is you have no idea what he did one way or the other. Those are the facts regardless of what you claim.

 

[agent00f]

"If you like your doctor you will be able to keep your doctor."

"We’re going to lower your premiums by up to $2500 per family per year.”

“No family making less than $250,000 a year will see their taxes increase.”

"I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits, now or in the future.”

“I will sign a universal healthcare bill into law…that covers every American.”

How many people lost their life because instead of getting the pacemaker they got a pill? Your hero thought that was a reasonable thing and he told all those huge lies quoted above just regarding his healthcare plan alone.

Just come out and say it, you hate Trump. Another poster already did this today. I can respect the honesty. But this constant holier-than-thou spin is transparently bullshit.

Quite hilarious given the detailed CBO analysis of Trumpcare, not that facts or understanding anything mean much to this sort. Speaking of which,

It's going to be snowing here to.

I never did the dick measuring of "my side vs your side". Seems to me that if a thing is wrong it's wrong. I can come up with things I objected to with Hillary and Obama and then get into a pissing match with their supporters. If it might cause a moment's reflection I might, but it's pretty much useless. A problem I've mentioned about partisans and ideologues is that they never hold themselves to the same standard they hold their opponents, perhaps with few exceptions. Those are inclusive terms which I find utterly useless except as an aid to determine a reference point of others.

But don't think for a moment I didn't hold those who gave the Dems a total pass but are all over Trump a pass.

If the left leaning side says something patently false I'll point that out. Sadly there's a whole book of outrageous on the part of Trump. In this case I explained my position as to why I think anyone who boasts is obliged to follow up with proof. Now who said they were donating without any supporting, well anything? Joe Biden?

what standard is this "fair and balanced" held to?

 

[WHAMPOM]

I have never seen Trumpsters back pedal so hard from applying the same standards to their Fearless Leader as they applied to Obama and Hillary. LOL, what a thread! Ignoring the beam in our eye! TRAA-- LAAA!

 

[mikeymikec]

Where did Trump lie about donating his Presidential salary to charity? The truth is you have no idea what he did one way or the other. Those are the facts regardless of what you claim.

Read my post (in particular the quote from you) again, see if you can win a gold star for basic reading comprehension. I'm sure you could, if the topic wasn't something that is critical about Trump.

 

[compuwiz1]

The death tax needs to make a serious comeback. Mutligenerational concentration of unearned wealth is bad for democracy. There are ways to structure it to eliminate the freakout about killing family farms and small businesses.

But instead we'll get more bloviating about the need to protect the jerb creators. For now though the rising tide is only lifting some mega yachts. The row boats are filling with water after being used for target practice by those on the yachts.

My family will stand steadfast to protect our estates from people who think like you. It's our money, and how we invest it, or who we pass it down to is none of your damn business. You were not involved in the creation of it and you damn sure don't have a right to decide how we allocate it. You, and anyone else, are not entitled to money other people have earned. Life isn't always fair. Sometimes, not everyone gets, what they feel, is their fair share. That doesn't give them rights to plunder others. The world is full of all kinds of bitter ne'er do wells out there. They get to be 50 or 60 and look backwards at all they could have done, but didn't do, then the first line of defense is to blame everything and everyone around them for their own deficiencies.

This bullshit is cried out over beers and cocktails, in every neighborhood bar, in every town, every night, by every sore loser on the planet.

 

[mikeymikec]

nvm

 

[Maxima1]

My family will stand steadfast to protect our estates from people who think like you.

"Take now... some hard-headed business man, who has no theories, but knows how to make money. Say to him: "Here is a little village; in ten years it will be a great city-in ten years the railroad will have taken the place of the stage coach, the electric light of the candle; it will abound with all the machinery and improvements that so enormously multiply the effective power of labor. Will in ten years, interest be any higher?" He will tell you, "No!" "Will the wages of the common labor be any higher...?" He will tell you, "No the wages of common labor will not be any higher..." "What, then, will be higher?" "Rent, the value of land. Go, get yourself a piece of ground, and hold possession." And if, under such circumstances, you take his advice, you need do nothing more. You may sit down and smoke your pipe; you may lie around like the lazzaroni of Naples or the leperos of Mexico; you may go up in a balloon or down a hole in the ground; and without doing one stroke of work, without adding one iota of wealth to the community, in ten years you will be rich! In the new city you may have a luxurious mansion, but among its public buildings will be an almshouse." - Henry George

“The most comfortable, but also the most unproductive way for a capitalist to increase his fortune, is to put all monies in sites and await that point in time when a society, hungering for land, has to pay his price.” – Andrew Carnegie

Ground-rents are a still more proper subject of taxation than the rent of houses. A tax upon ground-rents would not raise the rents of houses. It would fall altogether upon the owner of the ground-rent, who acts always as a monopolist, and exacts the greatest rent which can be got for the use of his ground. – Adam Smith

"Both ground- rents and the ordinary rent of land are a species of revenue which the owner, in many cases, enjoys without any care or attention of his own. The annual produce of the land and labour of the society, the real wealth and revenue of the great body of the people, might be the same after such a tax as before. Ground-rents, and the ordinary rent of land are, therefore, perhaps the species of revenue which can best bear to have a peculiar tax imposed upon them." – Adam Smith

It's our money, and how we invest it, or who we pass it down to is none of your damn business.

Wealth allows the accumulation of unearned income. You know, passive income that takes little to no effort? Give me Romney's $300 mil for a year, and would you claim I worked for $6 mil or so after the year was over?

You were not involved in the creation of it

LMAO When stock goes up, it was the workers of the company who created the value, you ***. Same goes for land values and estates with the development around them.

and you damn sure don't have a right to decide how we allocate it. You, and anyone else, are not entitled to money other people have earned. Life isn't always fair. Sometimes, not everyone gets, what they feel, is their fair share. That doesn't give them rights to plunder others. The world is full of all kinds of bitter ne'er do wells out there. They get to be 50 or 60 and look backwards at all they could have done, but didn't do, then the first line of defense is to blame everything and everyone around them for their own deficiencies.

This bullshit is cried out over beers and cocktails, in every neighborhood bar, in every town, every night, by every sore loser on the planet.

What exactly did you do for a living? I know a lot of hypocrite Republicans who made their living with overpaid government jobs, while also complaining whenever the same government that pays them thinks the low income private sector people receive too little and gives them food stamps or housing assistance.. Funny how they're the only Republicans who say unionized workers and government workers aren't overpaid, while a large portion of the private sector conservatives think they are overpaid.

 

[compuwiz1]

"Take now... some hard-headed business man, who has no theories, but knows how to make money. Say to him: "Here is a little village; in ten years it will be a great city-in ten years the railroad will have taken the place of the stage coach, the electric light of the candle; it will abound with all the machinery and improvements that so enormously multiply the effective power of labor. Will in ten years, interest be any higher?" He will tell you, "No!" "Will the wages of the common labor be any higher...?" He will tell you, "No the wages of common labor will not be any higher..." "What, then, will be higher?" "Rent, the value of land. Go, get yourself a piece of ground, and hold possession." And if, under such circumstances, you take his advice, you need do nothing more. You may sit down and smoke your pipe; you may lie around like the lazzaroni of Naples or the leperos of Mexico; you may go up in a balloon or down a hole in the ground; and without doing one stroke of work, without adding one iota of wealth to the community, in ten years you will be rich! In the new city you may have a luxurious mansion, but among its public buildings will be an almshouse." - Henry George

“The most comfortable, but also the most unproductive way for a capitalist to increase his fortune, is to put all monies in sites and await that point in time when a society, hungering for land, has to pay his price.” – Andrew Carnegie

Ground-rents are a still more proper subject of taxation than the rent of houses. A tax upon ground-rents would not raise the rents of houses. It would fall altogether upon the owner of the ground-rent, who acts always as a monopolist, and exacts the greatest rent which can be got for the use of his ground. – Adam Smith

"Both ground- rents and the ordinary rent of land are a species of revenue which the owner, in many cases, enjoys without any care or attention of his own. The annual produce of the land and labour of the society, the real wealth and revenue of the great body of the people, might be the same after such a tax as before. Ground-rents, and the ordinary rent of land are, therefore, perhaps the species of revenue which can best bear to have a peculiar tax imposed upon them." – Adam Smith



Wealth allows the accumulation of unearned income. You know, passive income that takes little to no effort? Give me Romney's $300 mil for a year, and would you claim I worked for $6 mil or so after the year was over?



LMAO When stock goes up, it was the workers of the company who created the value, you ***.



What exactly did you do for a living? I know a lot of hypocrite Republicans who made their living with overpaid government jobs, while also complaining whenever the same government that pays them thinks the low income private sector people receive too little and gives them food stamps or housing assistance.. Funny how they're the only Republicans who say unionized workers and government workers aren't overpaid, while a large portion of the private sector conservatives think they are overpaid.

Marine Corps at 17 years old, then 1 hourly job for 1 year, then commission sales, commissioned sales manager, entrepreneur and various other commissioned sales and finance jobs. I guess I've not known what a salary or hourly paid job has looked like for most of my adult life. Currently own a few rental properties and service businesses. I've got nothing more than a high school education, barely that. That is why I'm hard on mediocrity. I'm an example of motivation, not education.

 

[Double Trouble]

Why is it a non-story when the president lies about his own personal charity to burnish his public image again?

Do you know that the president lied about this? Having proof he lied about something is a story, but this is a story about not having proof that he didn't lie. That's a non-story.

As for lack of proof meaning something didn't happen - considering the number of times he has lied about his charitable giving in the past it seems only rational to assume he is lying without proof to the contrary, no?

Maybe you can rationally assume that he's lying about this, but you can also assume that he's lying about anything else. Until there are facts to prove your assumption correct, there's nothing there.

 

[Double Trouble]

Wealth allows the accumulation of unearned income. You know, passive income that takes little to no effort? Give me Romney's $300 mil for a year, and would you claim I worked for $6 mil or so after the year was over?

Effort is not what makes something earned or not. If I have $100 and give it to you to help you start a business, and you give me $200 back later when your business is successful, does that mean I didn't earn that extra $100 since I put in no effort? Putting your money at risk requires that there be a potential reward. You should also familiarize yourself with the concept of opportunity cost.

LMAO When stock goes up, it was the workers of the company who created the value, you ***. Same goes for land values and estates with the development around them.

The workers of the company are compensated for their efforts, through wages and benefits. Their work helps grow the company and with it the stock, but that can't happen without someone putting capital at risk in the form of investment.

You appear to be very confused about how wealth and earning work.

 

[Maxima1]

Effort is not what makes something earned or not. If I have $100 and give it to you to help you start a business, and you give me $200 back later when your business is successful, does that mean I didn't earn that extra $100 since I put in no effort? Putting your money at risk requires that there be a potential reward. You should also familiarize yourself with the concept of opportunity cost.

There is no risk if you diversify.

The workers of the company are compensated for their efforts, through wages and benefits. Their work helps grow the company and with it the stock, but that can't happen without someone putting capital at risk in the form of investment.

Are the CEOs in Germany or Japan worse than the ones in the US? France and Norway have just as high or higher productivity as the US.

You appear to be very confused about how wealth and earning work.

You're the one who sounds ignorant.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/u/unearnedincome.asp

 

[fskimospy]

Do you know that the president lied about this? Having proof he lied about something is a story, but this is a story about not having proof that he didn't lie. That's a non-story.

There's no way to get proof other than from him. Since he is the one making the claim however, the burden of proof is on him. A normal person would get the benefit of the doubt of course, but this is a guy who has been repeatedly caught lying about donating money in the past.

When you are busted for lying about something you lose the benefit of the doubt, wouldn't you agree?

Maybe you can rationally assume that he's lying about this, but you can also assume that he's lying about anything else. Until there are facts to prove your assumption correct, there's nothing there.

So you are saying that until we prove a negative there's nothing there. Does that make any sense?

 

[brycejones]

My family will stand steadfast to protect our estates from people who think like you. It's our money, and how we invest it, or who we pass it down to is none of your damn business. You were not involved in the creation of it and you damn sure don't have a right to decide how we allocate it. You, and anyone else, are not entitled to money other people have earned. Life isn't always fair. Sometimes, not everyone gets, what they feel, is their fair share. That doesn't give them rights to plunder others. The world is full of all kinds of bitter ne'er do wells out there. They get to be 50 or 60 and look backwards at all they could have done, but didn't do, then the first line of defense is to blame everything and everyone around them for their own deficiencies.

This bullshit is cried out over beers and cocktails, in every neighborhood bar, in every town, every night, by every sore loser on the planet.

FYGM would have been quicker for you to type. Btw congrats on being successful I think that should be celebrated. However handing off hundreds of millions or billions to the next generation continues the concentration of wealth that is ultimately going to destroy this country. I doubt you fall into that category.

 

[Maxima1]

FYGM would have been quicker for you to type. Btw congrats on being successful I think that should be celebrated. However handing off hundreds of millions or billions to the next generation continues the concentration of wealth that is ultimately going to destroy this country. I doubt you fall into that category.

There's also a utilitarian reason to do so.

https://news.ku.edu/2017/03/12/stud...elds-different-outcomes-based-parental-income

Sensitive genotypes yield disadvantage in poor families, but advantage in wealthier ones

Her study also could have wide-ranging policy implications because it seems to bolster the case for a basic minimum income in some fashion, she said.


"We could wipe out all of the negative effects of these genotypes if we raised a family's income level to the point where these genotypes could be positive – around $50,000," Rauscher said. "We could save a lot of money in the long run if we could give every household with children a minimum basic income where these genotypes start to become beneficial."


A basic minimum income could be an investment to stem higher costs down the road, she said, because children who carry sensitive genotypes and are from low-income families are more vulnerable to ending up in poverty as adults, with all of its associated costs to society. If these same children were raised in higher-income households, the results suggest they would earn more money, contributing rather than depending on tax revenue.


"We're wasting a lot of money on avoidable problems that are created simply because the environment is not good enough for children," Rauscher said. "Social institutions would function at a better level if we could get rid of all these negative potential effects."

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

FYGM would have been quicker for you to type. Btw congrats on being successful I think that should be celebrated. However handing off hundreds of millions or billions to the next generation continues the concentration of wealth that is ultimately going to destroy this country. I doubt you fall into that category.

He seems to believe he immune to adversity. That by his own actions he is invincible. Well that's folly really. Bill Gates could wind up a paraplegic or "locked in" by an accident, and that could happen to anyone at any time. All the greed and selfishness inherent to a compassionless conservatism won't change a thing while rotting away in bed. An impotent source of wealth, but not good. That's sad.