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zinfamous

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Sorry, but I didn't buy her weird "400 year game of Monopoly" analogy. All of the people who put her great-great grandparents in chains died a very long time ago.

It's problematic that you don't understand that. I think the issue here is that, for all of us that are white, it's very difficult to appreciate not only the differences between our own personal life experiences, in this current time, but more importantly--the generations of our families before us and how their vastly different life experiences, compared to the families of your average modern day black person, were not only so incredibly different, but absolutely inform today's access, success, health, and every essential piece of life compared to what we have.

It isn't about being "equally poor" or middle class between two individuals of different races--You and I may have not much to our name, but we have family members that probably have a bit more. That have inheritance. That have a history of ownership and connections. If you don't understand those very real differences, and how monumentally influential they are in our very different life circumstances, then you have very little chance of ever waking up and seeing these very real differences in life experience between races in this country.

...It's not about appreciating it, either--I don't think you or I could ever appreciate it. We simple can't because we don't walk outside with a permanent mark on our skin that literally describes many, many generations of life in this country, and what others very much will perceive of you. But simply understanding it is important. At the very least, understanding that simple fact is important.

Maybe you can work at getting there? People have mentioned Redlining to you several times already. I get the sense that you just glossed over that without being interested at all at what that means. You probably think it's just a thing people are saying? You should probably start there. It's really quite important, and comprehensively explains why systemic racism exists, and how generational, institutionalized racism trickles down to today, quite visibly, despite any kind of modern laws that attempt to fix those issues.
 

brycejones

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This must be the greatest statue, too. Lol, look at that insanity. The story is even more insane, but perfectly reasonable when you just look at that fucking thing and wonder what kind of sociopath could have ever designed it, let alone all the people involved that supported it, and still do.


:D
Holy shit that statue is nuts.
 

zinfamous

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Holy shit that statue is nuts.

I know! It's absolutely glorious!

One of the details that I picked up on in that article is how all of those anti-civil rights confederate statues that just "suddenly appeared" in southern cities, explicitly to antagonize black people (today's racists still don't get this--yes we know. they keep posting here), were so poorly-made because they were made to order for expedient display. Now, when they are being brought down, the utter shittiness of their construction is being exposed, and it provides another level of detail to the time period of their construction--the need to plop down these symbols of enslavement, as fast as possible, and so there was clearly no veneration of these individuals in any way other than "kill all the black people," because they were so cheaply and so pathetically made.

Apparently, the Durham statue that toppled over rather clumsily a few years ago simply buckled in on itself after a few knocks.
 
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Jhhnn

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I know! It's absolutely glorious!

One of the details that I picked up on in that article is how all of those anti-civil rights confederate statues that just "suddenly appeared" in southern cities, explicitly to antagonize black people (today's racists still don't get this--yes we know. they keep posting here), were so poorly-made because they were made to order for expedient display. Now, when they are being brought down, the utter shittiness of their construction is being exposed, and it provides another level of detail to the time period of their construction--the need to plop down these symbols of enslavement, as fast as possible, and so there was clearly no veneration of these individuals in any way other than "kill all the black people," because they were so cheaply and so pathetically made.

Apparently, the Durham statue that toppled over rather clumsily a few years ago simply buckled in on itself after a few knocks.

That's not true. Cast bronze statues are built for the ages & always have been. Some are better built than others. When the White Supremacists who built them wanted expediency, they just hanged themselves some black folk.
 
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ultimatebob

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I noticed that some companies are planning on making Juneteenth a paid holiday next year. I don't know about you guys work, but the place where I work doesn't even give the day off for Martin Luther King day.
 

ch33zw1z

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I noticed that some companies are planning on making Juneteenth a paid holiday next year. I don't know about you guys work, but the place where I work doesn't even give the day off for Martin Luther King day.

Me neither.

Which companies are doing Juneteenth?
 

ch33zw1z

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This must be the greatest statue, too. Lol, look at that insanity. The story is even more insane, but perfectly reasonable when you just look at that fucking thing and wonder what kind of sociopath could have ever designed it, let alone all the people involved that supported it, and still do.


:D

Lordy, did he look like that IRL?!
 

jmagg

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Me neither.

Which companies are doing Juneteenth?

City of Albany has declared it a holiday, Cuomo is pushing for a state holiday. Simple economic solution is replace a paid personal day for the cause. No added tax burden. State workers already get grotesque amounts of paid time off.
 
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ch33zw1z

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City of Albany has declared it a holiday, Cuomo is pushing for a state holiday. Simple economic solution is replace a paid personal day for the cause. No added tax burden. State workers already get grotesque amounts of paid time off.

What's grotesque? I wouldn't complain about time off if corporate mirrored public employee benefits
 

jmagg

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The vast majority of rank and file workers get little to no paid time off, but the state sees it appropriate to give state employees yet another holiday. I dont argue the validity of the holiday, but the taxpayers shouldnt foot the bill. Add the holiday and remove a personal day. I can fit nearly any analogy with the word "if".
 

ch33zw1z

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The vast majority of rank and file workers get little to no paid time off, but the state sees it appropriate to give state employees yet another holiday. I dont argue the validity of the holiday, but the taxpayers shouldnt foot the bill. Add the holiday and remove a personal day. I can fit nearly any analogy with the word "if".

That's fine with me. I wouldn't even care if corporate america treated their employees close to as well as public employees. Fact is they don't. What is grotesque amounts of paid time off mean?

@dphantom - you guys can use all the weird analogies or word games you want, just be prepared to explain it when asked.
 

brycejones

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The vast majority of rank and file workers get little to no paid time off, but the state sees it appropriate to give state employees yet another holiday. I dont argue the validity of the holiday, but the taxpayers shouldnt foot the bill. Add the holiday and remove a personal day. I can fit nearly any analogy with the word "if".
Heck replace Columbus Day with Juneteenth.
 

SMOGZINN

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The vast majority of rank and file workers get little to no paid time off, but the state sees it appropriate to give state employees yet another holiday. I dont argue the validity of the holiday, but the taxpayers shouldnt foot the bill. Add the holiday and remove a personal day. I can fit nearly any analogy with the word "if".
Did you know that state employees tend to get paid a good deal less than someone doing the same job in private industry? The paid time off is part of the compensation package that makes working for the state attractive. It is the same argument as to why companies should to be able to pay CEO's outrageous sums.
 

jmagg

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Did you know that state employees tend to get paid a good deal less than someone doing the same job in private industry? The paid time off is part of the compensation package that makes working for the state attractive. It is the same argument as to why companies should to be able to pay CEO's outrageous sums.
Lets talk about the people that get no paid time off.
 

jmagg

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You cant take away what you never had.
Had cuomo devised this through original thought, instead of following which way the wind blows, it may have gone over better.
 

zzyzxroad

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No news on anti-trump. with the current environment this rally seems to have the potential for violence. Wonder if that is exactly what trump wants? Some of his supports get bear or worse and he can yell look ANTIFA.