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outriding

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Very simple. People, on average, want bias confirmation. They don't want to be informed. It's far easier, because critical thinking is hard, takes time, and can confuse you if it leads to you challenging your core beliefs and the eventual acceptance that you have been wrong about something, perhaps your entire life, especially when you come to realize there really is no solid foundation for that thing you once believed.

It is why the GOP has lead a vicious assault on the nation's educational system for 4 decades now--they need the dumb and compliant rabble in order to "peacefully" decimate western Democracy as it is known in the US, and install the proper dictators that they all pine for. This is a key pillar of the southern strategy, and it has worked remarkably for the few, but extremely loud rabble that make up the GOP base.

And as purely and indisputable the facts of history that I mentioned above, not one pissant GOP bootlicker that has voted lockstep for exactly what I have said here, time and time again, will ever admit to actually doing it and will forever be internally incapable of accepting how fucking ignorant they are.

You will always see pcgeek and greenman, for example, complain about "those dummies" like MTG and Boebert and Gaetz and Trump, who "don't represent them," but this is their party and they have consistently voted for them. Always and without fail. "It's not OUR FAULT, Tho!"

Fuck this scum.
For me it’s the cognitive dissonance and arrogance that pcgeek exudes that pisses me off
 

nOOky

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I cannot understand why people watch Fox…

They lost the world’s largest defamation case of all time for the insane amount of lies they told

But people still watch them..

My older brother was recently moved to assisted living. He is 74 and has lung cancer. He is in a smallish place, only 19 rooms available. His television is almost always tuned to Fox news when I visit. I know another gentleman I used to work with that is there, and his television is also on Fox from what I have seen. The residents like to leave their doors open, and I see Fox on a lot of the televisions.

My brother has admitted he does not like Trump all that much anymore, but given the choice he would vote for him over Biden still. Fox news has him thinking Biden is a puppet that hides in a room while someone else does all of the actual behind the scenes screwing over of the Republicans. I sometimes leave it on and watch with him, and seriously it's almost specifically designed to reinforce the beliefs of people like him, and to nudge them with very persuasive subtlety into certain opinions which leads to GOP votes.

The beautiful "news" personnel mix in enough horrible transgender sports stories and violent minority crime stories to keep the confirmation bias going among people that think the country is going to hell under Biden. If you watch Fox news the worst thing going on in your life right now is the border crisis and the fentanyl problem, not the fact that you're probably morbidly obese and drinking yourself to death to boot.
 

interchange

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Off the top of my head the lenders lost out on interest payments, he has possibly billions in outstanding debt he may not be able to pay, his business partners and tenants are likely taking a serious hit to their portfolios, legitimate competitors to Trump businesses lost out on opportunities, and fraudulent valuations affect tax bills. So, yeah, that's a lot of victims.

And even if no one was actually harmed, it's obvious that criminal activity should carry consequences. Should someone who is swerving all over the road drunk as a skunk be allowed to go free because they didn't cause an accident? Should Sideshow Bob gotten off because he only committed attempted murder?

Honestly @pcgeek11 I expected better from you.
 

Fenixgoon

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Well I expected as much from you guys....
I can think of 787 million reasons why "we" are right to have utter disdain for fox news.

Off the top of my head the lenders lost out on interest payments, he has possibly billions in outstanding debt he may not be able to pay, his business partners and tenants are likely taking a serious hit to their portfolios, legitimate competitors to Trump businesses lost out on opportunities, and fraudulent valuations affect tax bills. So, yeah, that's a lot of victims.

And even if no one was actually harmed, it's obvious that criminal activity should carry consequences. Should someone who is swerving all over the road drunk as a skunk be allowed to go free because they didn't cause an accident? Should Sideshow Bob gotten off because he only committed attempted murder?

Honestly @pcgeek11 I expected better from you.
Attempted? Now what kind of crime is that anyway? Do they give out Nobel prizes for attempted chemistry?
 

fskimospy

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Well I expected as much from you guys....
I mean people pointed out two different victims - taxpayers through lost taxes and banks/their shareholders.

Again though, and more importantly, if the idea is that fraudulent activity is only illegal once the people being lied to are actively harmed that means Enron and Bernie Madoff were legal right up until their schemes collapsed. I can't imagine you think that, so doesn't it make sense for the government to prosecute fraud when they identify it even if that's BEFORE harms happen?
 
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I mean people pointed out two different victims - taxpayers through lost taxes and banks/their shareholders.

Again though, and more importantly, if the idea is that fraudulent activity is only illegal once the people being lied to are actively harmed that means Enron and Bernie Madoff were legal right up until their schemes collapsed. I can't imagine you think that, so doesn't it make sense for the government to prosecute fraud when they identify it even if that's BEFORE harms happen?
I can think of one area of law that conservatives want this: gun ownership. Everyone is a law-abiding, responsible owner, until they go on a shooting spree and are retroactively kicked out of the club.
 

Dave_5k

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BWAHAHAHA gag order placed on the orange monkey in hush money case
DA Alvin Bragg is excluded from the gag order as a public figure, but rest of his staff, witnesses, and potential jurors are covered. Bets on how long until Trump tests the boundary edges of this gag order, just like he did the last ones - with thinly-veiled comments e.g. about potential witnesses?

Link to actual order, last page has the conditions Trump is supposed to follow... or else! (The court hasn't actually set penalties for violating said orders, yet.)

 

manly

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Off the top of my head the lenders lost out on interest payments, he has possibly billions in outstanding debt he may not be able to pay, his business partners and tenants are likely taking a serious hit to their portfolios, legitimate competitors to Trump businesses lost out on opportunities, and fraudulent valuations affect tax bills. So, yeah, that's a lot of victims.

And even if no one was actually harmed, it's obvious that criminal activity should carry consequences. Should someone who is swerving all over the road drunk as a skunk be allowed to go free because they didn't cause an accident? Should Sideshow Bob gotten off because he only committed attempted murder?

Honestly @pcgeek11 I expected better from you.
what is this, PDS, pcgeek11 Derangement Syndrome? :p


BWAHAHAHA gag order placed on the orange monkey in hush money case
Trump's lawyers can't muzzle him, so what are the chances he's held in contempt after repeated violations and tossed into a cell? :tearsofjoy:
 
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thilanliyan

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I saw something about him using Truth Social IPO money to pay off his various legal issues...is that possible?
 

fskimospy

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It could be if he can get around the rumored limitations on his stake in the venture.
It requires board approval for him to sell in the first 6 months and we all know by the 6 month mark that stock is likely to be worthless.

The board of course is made up of his family members and cronies so I fully expect them to do it.
 

Pens1566

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It requires board approval for him to sell in the first 6 months and we all know by the 6 month mark that stock is likely to be worthless.

The board of course is made up of his family members and cronies so I fully expect them to do it.

Yeah, your last line is the key.

I've already made a wee bit of money on the initial rush. The real question is do I want to get greedy and try to time the short for the inevitable slide just right?
 
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hal2kilo

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Yeah, your last line is the key.

I've already made a wee bit of money on the initial rush. The real question is do I want to get greedy and try to time the short for the inevitable slide just right?
Damn, I still have guilty conscience for making buck off Facebook.
 

fskimospy

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Yeah, your last line is the key.

I've already made a wee bit of money on the initial rush. The real question is do I want to get greedy and try to time the short for the inevitable slide just right?
From my understanding the stock is already shorted to hell by basically everyone on earth.
 
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hal2kilo

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I can't think of a better (or easier) situation to take advantage of.
It drove me crazy. I had sold all my FB stock bought at the IPO before the pandemic and saw that it had dropped below a buck at one point. My brain said I could make a butt ton of money, but I just find Zuck to be so disingenuous about how they work hard to keep the bad guys out. Had an IRA tied to an Etrade account with over 50k burning a hole in my pocket, but I resisted and lost out on over 2OOK easily.
 

Dave_5k

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From my understanding the stock is already shorted to hell by basically everyone on earth.
Yesterday the borrowing cost to short sell the stock was reported to be at a ~150% annual interest rate ~ basically every share held by an institution that can be shorted, is shorted, with potential major short sellers bidding the cost sky high.