Trump: No Judges of Mexican Descent Allowed

[feralkid]

lol As much as you guys NEED it to mean "the people", it simply doesn't. It means "the race", and it is far, far older than early twentieth century. Are you guys somehow under the impression that Spanish is some arcane recent construct, as inherently unknowable as the meaning of the word "is"? It's a Romance language descended from Latin, and outside of political needs is well understood and has been for hundreds of years.

Hell, "la raza humana" would mean the people people.

Are you a Spanish Linguistics Expert, or did you sleep at a Holiday Inn Express?

😵

 

[werepossum]

Website looks pretty family oriented

http://www.nclr.org/

Oddly enough, the very first item (well, after the gigantic flashing payday loan advert) is "I am Latino". Perhaps La Raza also doesn't understand that their name actually refers to everyone?

their response:

There is a very large campaign to try and change the meaning of the words, true. It's as if the KKK decided to convince people that the best translation of the N word was "friend".

Some people would like us to believe that "Por la raza todo, fuera de la raza nada" just means nothing for dogs and cats.

 

[fskimospy]

lol As much as you guys NEED it to mean "the people", it simply doesn't. It means "the race", and it is far, far older than early twentieth century. Are you guys somehow under the impression that Spanish is some arcane recent construct, as inherently unknowable as the meaning of the word "is"? It's a Romance language descended from Latin, and outside of political needs is well understood and has been for hundreds of years.

Hell, "la raza humana" would mean the people people.

Do you even speak Spanish? By what authority are you telling actual Spanish speakers what their language means?

 

[Ns1]

Oddly enough, the very first item (well, after the gigantic flashing payday loan advert) is "I am Latino". Perhaps La Raza also doesn't understand that their name actually refers to everyone?


There is a very large campaign to try and change the meaning of the words, true. It's as if the KKK decided to convince people that the best translation of the N word was "friend".

Some people would like us to believe that "Por la raza todo, fuera de la raza nada" just means nothing for dogs and cats.

Not saying who's right, I'm just not seeing where your explanation would > theirs.

 

[werepossum]

Are you a Spanish Linguistics Expert, or did you sleep at a Holiday Inn Express?

😵

lol Neither. But I did take two years of Spanish, I'm reasonably conversant with etymology, and I have no interest in being an idiot for political correctness.

 

[werepossum]

Not saying who's right, I'm just not seeing where your proof would > theirs.

Well, perhaps you could consult a Spanish language dictionary. Preferably one in print, before political expediency made publishers hedge their bets to avoid castigation.

I'd also like your understanding of the meaning of "Por la raza todo, fuera de la raza nada" if you accept that "la raza" simply means "the people".

 

[Ns1]

lol Neither. But I did take two years of Spanish, I'm reasonably conversant with etymology, and I have no interest in being an idiot for political correctness.

now i'm convinced

:awe:


you should've just stuck with the holiday inn express line.

 

[fskimospy]

Well, perhaps you could consult a Spanish language dictionary. Preferably one in print, before political expediency made publishers hedge their bets to avoid castigation.

I'd also like your understanding of the meaning of "Por la raza todo, fuera de la raza nada" if you accept that "la raza" simply means "the people".

You do realize that words mean different things in different contexts, right?

I can't believe you just said 'don't listen to what those Spanish speakers say their language means, I took two years of Spanish.' That is fucking hilarious.

 

[Ns1]

You do realize that words mean different things in different contexts, right?

I can't believe you just said 'don't listen to what those Spanish speakers say their language means, I took two years of Spanish.' That is fucking hilarious.

but he's "reasonably conversant with etymology". with 2 years of spanish under his belt, that basically makes him an expert.

😀:thumbsup:

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Oddly enough, the very first item (well, after the gigantic flashing payday loan advert) is "I am Latino". Perhaps La Raza also doesn't understand that their name actually refers to everyone?


There is a very large campaign to try and change the meaning of the words, true. It's as if the KKK decided to convince people that the best translation of the N word was "friend".

Some people would like us to believe that "Por la raza todo, fuera de la raza nada" just means nothing for dogs and cats.

This payday loan advert?

Come on possum you're smarter than this

 

[fskimospy]

but he's "reasonably conversant with etymology". with 2 years of spanish under his belt, that basically makes him an expert.

😀:thumbsup:

He may have no interest in being an idiot for political correctness but he is clearly very interested in being an idiot otherwise, haha.

 

[buckshot24]

but he's "reasonably conversant with etymology". with 2 years of spanish under his belt, that basically makes him an expert.

😀:thumbsup:

Raza means race in most contexts I'm aware of. I'm more into Cuban Spanish which has its quirks, so this might not be universal. It looks as if they are spinning this by calling it "community" and "people". I've never seen it used that way.

 

[buckshot24]

This payday load advert?

Come on possum you're smarter than this

Ha, he made a mistake. Don't kill him for it.

 

[Jhhnn]

That is a blatant and easily reputed lie. The Spanish word for people is "pueblo", from the Latin "populous". "Raza", possibly from the Latin "radix" (meaning tribe) though possibly also coined within one Romance language and spread throughout the others.

http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/pueblo
"El pueblo trabaja para que los ricos descansen", dijo el revolucionario.

http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/race
La única raza es la raza humana.

Of course, if La Raza really believed that last definition, then "Por la raza todo, fuera de la raza nada" would be meaningless and they certainly wouldn't be spending their time and efforts litigating purely for the Latino people. They are the Hispanic Ku Klux Klan, and for some reason, our society accepts this behavior as long as it isn't from white people.

From your second link, "La Raza" means "the Human race" which means all of us, doesn't it?

Or didn't you read your own link?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Raza means race in most contexts I'm aware of. I'm more into Cuban Spanish which has its quirks, so this might not be universal. It looks as if they are spinning this by calling it "community" and "people". I've never seen it used that way.

Except that in La Raza Cósmica, where the phrase was coined, it was in referenced to the mixed race people of Latin America. Vasconcelos wrote about the fact that the Latin people represented all races to refute theories of any specific ethnic superiority used to repress the Latin people.

There's the literal translation of "La Raza", then there's what it's come to represent the Hispanics and why.

 

[buckshot24]

Except that in La Raza Cósmica, where the phrase was coined, it was in referenced to the mixed race people of Latin America. Vasconcelos wrote about the fact that the Latin people represented all races to refute theories of any specific ethnic superiority used to repress the Latin people.

There's the literal translation of "La Raza", then there's what it's come to represent the Hispanics and why.

Are they referring to only Hispanic people?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

are they referring to only hispanic people?

caution! Watch for falling buckshat.

 

[Moonbeam]

Of course the people means everybody who is human which would mean only white people to somebody who is a white supremacist.

 

[buckshot24]

From your second link, "La Raza" means "the Human race" which means all of us, doesn't it?

Or didn't you read your own link?

No that isn't what it says. Raza is the term and they are using it in a sentence. La Raza (race) humana (human) means the human race.

La raza humana would mean human race. La Raza means "the race".

 

[Jhhnn]

The injection of the "La Raza" bullshit is essentially a double down on Trump's offensive remarks.

 

[fskimospy]

No that isn't what it says. Raza is the term and they are using it in a sentence. La Raza (race) humana (human) means the human race.

La raza humana would mean human race. La Raza means "the race".

Looks like you didn't read the whole link either, haha.

 

[buckshot24]

The injection of the "La Raza" bullshit is essentially a double down on Trump's offensive remarks.

Is this an admission that La Raza doesn't mean human race?

 

[buckshot24]

Of course the people means everybody who is human which would mean only white people to somebody who is a white supremacist.

They only advocate for certain people so it would be kind of absurd to take it as "all people".

 

[fskimospy]

Is this an admission that La Raza doesn't mean human race?

From the second link:

race
NOUN
1. (of people, animals)
a. la raza (f)
the human race la raza humana
race relations relaciones interraciales

You are so stupid.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

From the second link:



You are so stupid.

thanks for stepping in, I had to detox from all the buckshat.