Trump: No Judges of Mexican Descent Allowed

[Moonbeam]

What is logical about this?

It makes sense to be proud of one's heritage even if it's meaningless in reality. I am proud, for example, that my ancestors have the most Neanderthal genes.

 

[fskimospy]

But honestly, what would retracting it now get him? It's one of those things you say that you can't really unsay esp. when you've said it in so many different ways and repeatedly backed it up.

It's too late to take back what he said but he could stop saying new stupid things or picking new fights that will keep Trump University in the news.

This has turned into a full on meltdown. Hilarious. He is working overtime to validate every criticism of his temperament. Can you imagine someone this immature in charge of our country?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

ok here's a chance for our local drumpf supporters to step up and own this statement from their candidate. c'mon boys, you backed his play so far, back this one, the drumpf ordered you to.

Funny thing is all that needs to be done is I support Trump on many thing but not this.
Like I'll probably vote Hillary but she made a bad call with her email server.
See its not that hard guys

 

[fskimospy]

Funny thing is all that needs to be done is I support Trump on many thing but not this.
Like I'll probably vote Hillary but she made a bad call with her email server.

Yeah but when you actually spell it out listen to how absurd it sounds: 'I don't like his racist rants and attacks on the judge in charge of overseeing the lawsuit about his scam university but he's still got my vote.'

 

[Moonbeam]

ok here's a chance for our local drumpf supporters to step up and own this statement from their candidate. c'mon boys, you backed his play so far, back this one, the drumpf ordered you to.

The problem is that you read the article and heard your biased opinion. I read it and saw nothing like what you did. He proposed that his people go after racists and lie about him being a hypocrites. Seriously, hypocrites. What kind of grammar is that. See, you don't even pick up on what is important, just what you want to see. Take off your rose colored lenses.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's too late to take back what he said but he could stop saying new stupid things or picking new fights that will keep Trump University in the news.

This has turned into a full on meltdown. Hilarious. He is working overtime to validate every criticism of his temperament. Can you imagine someone this immature in charge of our country?

Funny you don't see a guy determined to buck an insanely liberal bunch of assassins. Who is having the meltdown and where did that concept come from?

 

[fskimospy]

Funny you don't see a guy determined to buck an insanely liberal bunch of assassins. Who is having the meltdown and where did that concept come from?

Yes, funny I don't see it that way, haha. Trump is simply further inflaming the feeding frenzy about Trump University. He's made it much worse than it was because he can't control himself. That's a meltdown to me.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yeah but when you actually spell it out listen to how absurd it sounds: 'I don't like his racist rants and attacks on the judge in charge of overseeing the lawsuit about his scam university but he's still got my vote.'

As Hillary will still have yours.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yes, funny I don't see it that way, haha. Trump is simply further inflaming the feeding frenzy about Trump University. He's made it much worse than it was because he can't control himself. That's a meltdown to me.

You believe that what you see is a lack of control but what I see is a reaction guaranteed to register as appropriate for all of us stupid common folk who know what we feel. Was Catholic Scalia biased against abortion? Do you take that joker to be objective. Are you the only privileged person with a right to do that.

 

[fskimospy]

You believe that what you see is a lack of control but what I see is a reaction guaranteed to register as appropriate for all of us stupid common folk who know what we feel. Was Catholic Scalia biased against abortion? Do you take that joker to be objective. Are you the only privileged person with a right to do that.

I'm going to take a wild stab and say that 'Mexicans and Muslims can't be judges in cases that involve me' isn't going to be a political winner, haha. I guess time will tell.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeah but when you actually spell it out listen to how absurd it sounds: 'I don't like his racist rants and attacks on the judge in charge of overseeing the lawsuit about his scam university but he's still got my vote.'

It's really deeper than that. Trump is an astoundingly good con artiste. He really is. People who don't see that right up front are his usual prey & always will be. It's instinctive behavior on his part, tempered only by his desire to stay out of jail.

He lives by the maxim that there's a sucker born every minute.

 

[Ns1]

Yeah but when you actually spell it out listen to how absurd it sounds: 'I don't like his racist rants and attacks on the judge in charge of overseeing the lawsuit about his scam university but he's still got my vote.'

I think the phrase is "hold your nose and vote trump"

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/nati...-Grapple-with-Trumps-Candidacy-381955251.html

 

[werepossum]

Here's a total destruction of Gonzalez's op-ed from the Volokh Conspiracy, which is a conservative leaning legal blog:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ous-defense-of-trumps-attack-on-judge-curiel/

Basically, using Gonzales's claims of what constitutes potential bias that could be grounds for recusal would end up with the US court system functionally disappearing. It's a transparently stupid argument, and one that Gonzales seems to have put next to no thought into.

And yet, we get that exact same argument from the left every day. Why then does it threaten our very universe if Gonzales says it, but, say, we accept that an all-white jury (even those who are NOT members of a race-based organization) is sufficient grounds for a retrial of a non-white defendant?

You're on the wrong side of this one. Don't dig yourself any deeper, man.

You're a better egg than this.

How so? We have a judge who is a member of an organization literally named "The Race Lawyers" and we're expected to accept that a litigant under his authority is the one being racist?

It is a masterfully intellectually honest comment. Not that's settled we can move on. Jesus Chrirt. What the fuck is wrong with you people. Never mind. I know.

lol Thanks. All I ask is that racism and racial bias be accepted to have an associative property. If something is racism in one direction, then it must also be racist in the other direction.

Although one can (and often should) certainly argue about the disparate impact of that racism, the underlying definitions HAVE to be exactly the same. Otherwise we are not a nation of law where every man is equal, we are a nation of politically correct whims where some animals are just more equal than others.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm going to take a wild stab and say that 'Mexicans and Muslims can't be judges in cases that involve me' isn't going to be a political winner, haha. I guess time will tell.

Wrong scenario in my opinion. I don't have to wait to know they think judges can have bias. There is no doubt at all that they can. 5,4, remember?

What Trump did was transfer that on to the judge and everybody with a grievance against judges will blame the judge. You liberals yammer on about racism while Trump inured himself against whatever facts there may be to the case. No matter what the judgment it will be the product of bias. Trump could give a shit what race the judge is. Trump is way more skilled and operating at a level that in my opinion you are not seeing. He hides in the glare of your liberal brain defect. That's how I see it, sorry.

 

[buckshot24]

ES, lying about what Trump said again. He didn't say they couldn't be judges in his cases.

Lying is great as long as it is about his candidates illegal email usage while SoS and misrepresenting what Trump has actually said.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

ES, lying about what Trump said again. He didn't say they couldn't be judges in his cases.

Lying is great as long as it is about his candidates illegal email usage while SoS and misrepresenting what Trump has actually said.

hack

 

[Jhhnn]

And yet, we get that exact same argument from the left every day. Why then does it threaten our very universe if Gonzales says it, but, say, we accept that an all-white jury (even those who are NOT members of a race-based organization) is sufficient grounds for a retrial of a non-white defendant?

Lovely false equivalency. It's not the racial makeup that matters, it's the blatant exclusion of black jurors because they're black-

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-out-death-sentence-from-all-white-jury.html

The SCOTUS ruling was 7-1, indicating that you're full of shit up to your eyeballs.

How so? We have a judge who is a member of an organization literally named "The Race Lawyers" and we're expected to accept that a litigant under his authority is the one being racist?

"La Raza" doesn't mean "the race" in Spanish & is deliberately mistranslated for the purposes of propaganda-

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=La Raza

It means "the people".

lol Thanks. All I ask is that racism and racial bias be accepted to have an associative property. If something is racism in one direction, then it must also be racist in the other direction.

Although one can (and often should) certainly argue about the disparate impact of that racism, the underlying definitions HAVE to be exactly the same. Otherwise we are not a nation of law where every man is equal, we are a nation of politically correct whims where some animals are just more equal than others.

Like Dogbert, you need a lot of wagging room for that.

 

[jackstar7]

How so? We have a judge who is a member of an organization literally named "The Race Lawyers" and we're expected to accept that a litigant under his authority is the one being racist?

Seriously, you're better than this. You win nothing by continuing to dig.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think the phrase is "hold your nose and vote trump"

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/nati...-Grapple-with-Trumps-Candidacy-381955251.html

From your own link, most latinos wouldn't have to hold their nose- they'd have to be delusional. The stench wouldn't matter.

 

[dawheat]

How so? We have a judge who is a member of an organization literally named "The Race Lawyers" and we're expected to accept that a litigant under his authority is the one being racist?

It amazes me people are still spouting this nonsense. It's a non-partisan professional organization similar to many Asian-American professional organization I'm part of. You provide support and education to others in a profession historically under-represented.

http://sdlrla.com/about/mission-statement/

About their name - it really does appear to be a 'lost in translation' issue.

The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people” or, according to some scholars, as “the Hispanic people of the New World.” The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. In contrast, the term “Hispanic” has its origins in the 1970 U.S. Census, and the term “Latino” was officially adopted in 1997 by the U.S. Government in the ethnonym “Hispanic or Latino.”

Aside from the fact that their most "explosive" action appears to have been awarding scholarships to nearly all LAC students, it's amazing how much air this continues to have.

 

[Ns1]

It amazes me people are still spouting this nonsense. It's a non-partisan professional organization similar to many Asian-American professional organization I'm part of. You provide support and education to others in a profession historically under-represented.

http://sdlrla.com/about/mission-statement/

About their name - it really does appear to be a 'lost in translation' issue.


Aside from the fact that their most "explosive" action appears to have been awarding scholarships to nearly all LAC students, it's amazing how much air this continues to have.

clearly a terrorist organization

Specifically, the goals of SDLRLA are:
• Increase the overall number of Latinos in the legal profession.
• Encourage and support Latino and Latina judicial candidates to apply to the bench
• Advocate for the promotion and retention of Latino and Latina attorneys and judicial officers.
• Improve the professional skills of our members through our certified MCLE programs.
• Provide for the professional and social interaction among our members and other organized bar associations.
• Improve the delivery and access of legal services to the county’s Spanish speaking community.
• Provide role models and mentoring to Latino youth through direct interaction with students and school districts.
• Strongly advocate positions on judicial, economic and social issues to political leaders and state and local bar associations that impact the Latino community.

 

[werepossum]

Lovely false equivalency. It's not the racial makeup that matters, it's the blatant exclusion of black jurors because they're black-

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-out-death-sentence-from-all-white-jury.html

The SCOTUS ruling was 7-1, indicating that you're full of shit up to your eyeballs.




"La Raza" doesn't mean "the race" in Spanish & is deliberately mistranslated for the purposes of propaganda-

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=La Raza

It means "the people".

Like Dogbert, you need a lot of wagging room for that.

That is a blatant and easily reputed lie. The Spanish word for people is "pueblo", from the Latin "populous". "Raza", possibly from the Latin "radix" (meaning tribe) though possibly also coined within one Romance language and spread throughout the others.

http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/pueblo
"El pueblo trabaja para que los ricos descansen", dijo el revolucionario.

http://www.spanishdict.com/translate/race
La única raza es la raza humana.

Of course, if La Raza really believed that last definition, then "Por la raza todo, fuera de la raza nada" would be meaningless and they certainly wouldn't be spending their time and efforts litigating purely for the Latino people. They are the Hispanic Ku Klux Klan, and for some reason, our society accepts this behavior as long as it isn't from white people.

 

[werepossum]

It amazes me people are still spouting this nonsense. It's a non-partisan professional organization similar to many Asian-American professional organization I'm part of. You provide support and education to others in a profession historically under-represented.

http://sdlrla.com/about/mission-statement/

About their name - it really does appear to be a 'lost in translation' issue.


Aside from the fact that their most "explosive" action appears to have been awarding scholarships to nearly all LAC students, it's amazing how much air this continues to have.

lol As much as you guys NEED it to mean "the people", it simply doesn't. It means "the race", and it is far, far older than early twentieth century. Are you guys somehow under the impression that Spanish is some arcane recent construct, as inherently unknowable as the meaning of the word "is"? It's a Romance language descended from Latin, and outside of political needs is well understood and has been for hundreds of years.

Hell, "la raza humana" would mean the people people.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

lol As much as you guys NEED it to mean "the people", it simply doesn't. It means "the race", and it is far, far older than early twentieth century. Are you guys somehow under the impression that Spanish is some arcane recent construct, as inherently unknowable as the meaning of the word "is"? It's a Romance language descended from Latin, and outside of political needs is well understood and has been for hundreds of years.

Hell, "la raza humana" would mean the people people.

Website looks pretty family oriented

http://www.nclr.org/

 

[Ns1]

lol As much as you guys NEED it to mean "the people", it simply doesn't. It means "the race", and it is far, far older than early twentieth century. Are you guys somehow under the impression that Spanish is some arcane recent construct, as inherently unknowable as the meaning of the word "is"? It's a Romance language descended from Latin, and outside of political needs is well understood and has been for hundreds of years.

Hell, "la raza humana" would mean the people people.

their response:

The Name

Many people incorrectly translate the name, “La Raza,” as “the race.” While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.”

Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.

The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people” or, according to some scholars, as “the Hispanic people of the New World.” The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. In contrast, the term “Hispanic” has its origins in the 1970 U.S. Census, and the term “Latino” was officially adopted in 1997 by the U.S. Government in the ethnonym “Hispanic or Latino.”

Mistranslating “La Raza” to mean “the race” implies that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, “La Raza Cósmica,” meaning the “cosmic people,” was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.

And this is not just SDLRLA’s interpretation. According to the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, “La Raza” means:
“…Mexicans or Mexican Americans considered as a group, sometimes extending to all Spanish-speaking people of the Americas.”
Furthermore, MSNBC’s online Spanish-English website, Encarta, translates the term this way:

“Hispanic Spanish-speakers in the Americas: Mexicans, Mexican Americans, or Spanish-speaking people of the Americas, considered as a group.”
The Free Dictionary, available online, similarly finds that the term “La Raza”:
“…embodies the notion that traditional, exclusive concepts of race and nationality can be transcended in the name of humanity’s common destiny.”