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Trump: No Judges of Mexican Descent Allowed

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emperus said:
😱 Did you even click on or attempt to research any of those "institutions"? Lol. Ahh, I see why you are always on the losing end of debates here.
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They aren't accredited and use the university moniker. Are they all in violation of some law?

Haven't you claimed to be a Christian? Aren't you bothered that you're aligned with the atheists on this?
Ok, so the best case is incompetence and the worst case is criminal because she attempted to hide her emails. Gotcha.
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There are multiple issues involved. Her best case scenario as it pertains to protecting state secrets is what I was referring to. FOIA access is a problem and I don't see incompetence being a possibility here. Pretty much best case is criminal avoidance on that issue.

She's committed crimes, period.

So you think either of those scenarios compare to Trump's best case scenario of lying about hiring qualified lecturers, trying to bully the BBB, and using the "University" name all in order to scam people out of their money (some their retirement money)?
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I don't accept your scenarios. However if Trump is guilty of all of these things he should be held to account. How much more clear do I need to be, brother?
 
Fanatical Meat said:
I don't think we should second guess or assume. All the Judges have taken the same oath to be impartial. Let the trial happen and if the judge is being unfair there are processes (I admit difficult processes) to have the verdict changed or retired.
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Recusal wouldn't be a thing if impartiality was guaranteed.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
I don't think we should second guess or assume. All the Judges have taken the same oath to be impartial. Let the trial happen and if the judge is being unfair there are processes (I admit difficult processes) to have the verdict changed or retired.
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Obviously, Trump has the resources to do so. Hell, he engages in litigation as sport & as a exercise in ball breaking. Win or lose, his lawyers will try to bury you under the paperwork & the legal fees.

It's the bully side of the Trump persona.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
Could a male judge be biased against a woman in a divorce/custody hearing? Could a female judge be biased against a male in a divorce/custody hearing? Who would ever hear those types of cases?
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A male judge is more likely to be biased against women in his divorce cases I'd think. There needs to be more for recusal than sex.

Anything is possible. There is nothing at all that points to any inappropriate conduct by Judge Curiel that would come anywhere close to the measures for recusal. There's a reason Trump is doing this in the court of public opinion and not actually filing a motion to recuse.
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As I've said Trump is off base on this judge. But do you think Curiel should recuse himself if a case comes to his court about discrimination against Latinos?
 
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buckshot24 said:
A male judge is more likely to be biased against women in his divorce cases I'd think. There needs to be more for recusal than sex.

As I've said Trump is off base on this judge. But do you think Curiel should recuse himself if a case comes to his court about discrimination against Latinos?
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No. And precedent has been established time and again that race or religion in and of itself is not grounds for recusal.
 
Jhhnn said:
Obviously, Trump has the resources to do so. Hell, he engages in litigation as sport & as a exercise in ball breaking. Win or lose, his lawyers will try to bury you under the paperwork & the legal fees.

It's the bully side of the Trump persona.
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All big companies do this. Once you get to a point where you pay lawyers to be around its an easy leap to I pay the lawyers the same amount whether they're in court or sitting around doing nothing.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
No. And precedent has been established time and again that race or religion in and of itself is not grounds for recusal.
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"In and of itself" doesn't necessarily apply here. I wouldn't say just because he's a hispanic that he should recuse himself but if he's involved in hispanic advocacy recusal could be appropriate.
 
buckshot24 said:
They aren't accredited and use the university moniker. Are they all in violation of some law?
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A lot of those "universities" aren't in the states. And a lot more no longer exist or are no longer accepting students until they receive accreditation. You also know Trump University eventually changed its name.

buckshot24 said:
Haven't you claimed to be a Christian? Aren't you bothered that you're aligned with the atheists on this?
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I am a Christian. On what issue do you think I align with atheists? But, I also don't think aligning with atheists is an issue in itself as long as it doesn't compromise my beliefs.
 
buckshot24 said:
"In and of itself" doesn't necessarily apply here. I wouldn't say just because he's a hispanic that he should recuse himself but if he's involved in hispanic advocacy recusal could be appropriate.
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He's not. He is part of a legal organization that encourages people of hispanic backgrounds to pursue a legal profession and, at times, they will authorize dispursals to people with scholarship grants.
 
Should a Christian Judge not rule on abortion or death penalty cases?
Should Judges be the same sex, race and age of defendants? Should only judges with military experience rule in any case involving the military? Can a Supreme Court Judge rule on abortion when they are Christian?

These are silly arguments and most elected conservatives agree
 
buckshot24 said:
"In and of itself" doesn't necessarily apply here. I wouldn't say just because he's a hispanic that he should recuse himself but if he's involved in hispanic advocacy recusal could be appropriate.
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don't you ever get tired of running in circles chasing your own tail?
 
MomentsofSanity said:
Could a male judge be biased against a woman in a divorce/custody hearing? Could a female judge be biased against a male in a divorce/custody hearing? Who would ever hear those types of cases?

Anything is possible. There is nothing at all that points to any inappropriate conduct by Judge Curiel that would come anywhere close to the measures for recusal. There's a reason Trump is doing this in the court of public opinion and not actually filing a motion to recuse.
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Trump is claiming victimhood by exploiting bigotry. He claims that the document release proves bias because he's building The Wall & because the judge isn't a real American but rather a Mexican.

It's nonsense of the despicable kind.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Should a Christian Judge not rule on abortion or death penalty cases?
Should Judges be the same sex, race and age of defendants? Should only judges with military experience rule in any case involving the military? Can a Supreme Court Judge rule on abortion when they are Christian?

These are silly arguments and most elected conservatives agree
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I agree that these are silly questions but they don't have any relevance to mine. If you don't want to answer then don't.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
He's not. He is part of a legal organization that encourages people of hispanic backgrounds to pursue a legal profession and, at times, they will authorize dispursals to people with scholarship grants.
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But the group only helps hispanics. Which is completely racist.

Like I said earlier, if a group only helps white people and excludes all others everybody would rightly call that racist.
 
buckshot24 said:
But the group only helps hispanics. Which is completely racist.

Like I said earlier, if a group only helps white people and excludes all others everybody would rightly call that racist.
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what you don't seem to be able to grasp is that white males are the majority. as such, all others are minorities and afforded the right to have special interest groups in a search for equality.
 
Anyone else shocked that buckshot is once again refusing to back up his positions?

Also it's kind of amazing that now he's saying that all organizations like the NAACP are racist because they aren't trying to help all races. This just gets better and better. I guess this is what happens when someone can't admit that they are wrong under any circumstances. He's just like Trump! Haha.
 
alien42 said:
what you don't seem to be able to grasp is that white males are the majority. as such, all others are minorities and afforded the right to have special interest groups in a search for equality.
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Justified racism!

I love how the "search for equality" involves treating people unequally.
 
alien42 said:
what you don't seem to be able to grasp is that white males are the majority. as such, all others are minorities and afforded the right to have special interest groups in a search for equality.
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Don't you understand? Organizations designed to fight anti-black racism, for example, are the real racists because they aren't helping white people too.
 
eskimospy said:
Anyone else shocked that buckshot is once again refusing to back up his positions?
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Back up what? I'm expressing my opinion, nothing more.
Also it's kind of amazing that now he's saying that all organizations like the NAACP are racist because they aren't trying to help all races.
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Yes, they are racist if they only help black people. How are they not racist?
 
eskimospy said:
Don't you understand? Organizations designed to fight anti-black racism, for example, are the real racists because they aren't helping white people too.
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As if I believe anti-black racism isn't real. You don't need to employ racism in order to fight racism.
 
buckshot24 said:
Back up what? I'm expressing my opinion, nothing more.
Yes, they are racist if they only help black people. How are they not racist?
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Simple question. Do these organizations exist because they think their race/ethnicity is superior or to provide opportunities to people who may not other wise have them?
 
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