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Trump: No Judges of Mexican Descent Allowed

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I do. He plays the victim and its very popular. Taking away that narrative would do huge damage to his numbers.

I sincerely doubt it. Letting blatant racism go unchallenged simply normalizes racism. That's far more damaging.

Seems to have been some confusion about what La Raza was being talked about. There is a La Raza group for activism and a La Raza group for lawyers.

I sincerely don't know how there could be any confusion unless someone took literally no time to look into it. He's part of a professional organization, that's it.

If trump is saying that the Judge is part of a group that is against his building a wall and is politically active, then his comment about it being a conflict makes sense. I dont think that any judge is unbiased, so not sure it should mean anything, but the way the quote is given seems to be misleading. If the comment was, the judge is Mexican and is part of La Raza who is against my ideas, then he has a conflict, that is not racist.

That's simply not how communication works in English. Not only is the judge not part of that organization, but unless his ethnic heritage is relevant there would be no reason to mention it. For example had the judge been white do you think Trump would have said 'he is Caucasian and part of an association I don't like"? Of course not.

Once more, here is the passage from the WSJ:

In an interview, Mr. Trump said U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel had “an absolute conflict” in presiding over the litigation given that he was “of Mexican heritage” and a member of a Latino lawyers’ association.

The grammatical way to parse that sentence is that both of those factors represent conflicts of interest.

The WSJ article does not have a transcript yet, but the way they talk about the interview does not show racism yet.

Unless the WSJ is deliberately misrepresenting their own interview, yes it does. Their article is crystal clear.

The article also says "Mexican heritage" and not just Mexican. You and I both know most Mexicans and Latinos hate him for his wall idea. Saying that the Judge is part of a political group who is against his wall would be a conflict. Now, instead of focusing on that needed link, he is just flat out called a racist.

Hell, even Fox is taking that angle and showing that the group he thinks the judge is part of might be wrong. But, if the judge were part of a politically active group that is against Trump's platform, it would be a conflict even if it is small.

Actually that wouldn't be a conflict either as the case isn't about the wall. The Democratic Party is strongly against Trump's wall but that wouldn't mean that any judge that was part of the Democratic Party has a conflict of interest. This is simply not how the law works.

The interview only happened yesterday, and they could be doing damage control, or they could not want to respond and hope it dies down. Cant tell either way.

No. What you have are two quotes and that is the problem. Had they given the full quote, then there would be no question. You can say explicitly because you dont have the full quote.

Of course any campaign could do anything at any time. That doesn't stop us from making rational inferences. If they aren't disputing the WSJ coming straight out and saying Trump said there was a conflict because of his Mexican heritage it is reasonable to assume they don't think that description is wrong.

You do this a lot. You believe there is only one option. Trump not responding to something that was written less than 24hrs ago must mean he agrees. Also, I am not hanging onto anything. I dont like Trump and I dont want him to win. My issue is the method that those on the Left are choosing and its making him catch Hillary.

So far the original article came from here.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-keeps-up-attacks-on-judge-gonzalo-curiel-1464911442

I actually paid the $1 to read the whole thing, and that is why I am not saying its racist yet. Saying there is proof of racism is jumping the gun. If the quote was taken out of context, that only hurts US because it will boost Trump. Do what Megan Kelly is doing, and show that Trump might be mixing the two groups and attacking him on things we already know are wrong. Or do what Hillary is doing and attack him on experience which she blows him out of the water on.

So how long do we have to wait for the Trump campaign to dispute this description of the interview before you think they don't want to dispute it? Just give me a time. It's not like the article tries to beat around the bush, they just come straight out and say it. In fact you're the only person I've seen that seems to think the WSJ ISN'T saying that Trump viewed him as biased due to his Mexican heritage.

By the way there's no need to pay for WSJ access, just use either google or chrome incognito mode.
 
The two organizations have nothing to do with each other, they simply share part of a name. Even conservative outlets are pointing out how stupid this is.

I was going to post I suspected he was a member of the KGB, but he did it anyway.

D:

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No, it's like saying you are a virgin because you live in Virginia.

Well I'm not saying that's the case but I've heard it from people. Maybe it's true that you're all virgins. I don't know. I can't prove that you aren't so it could be the case. Who knows? All I know is that the rest of the country is not virgins. They're so good at the sex it's amazing. Trust me I know because I've made a lot of the best sex and gotten a lot of rewards for it. Rewards and Awards. This campaign all be making the best most amazing sex ever and you're gonna love it. So good.

/Trump
 
Well I'm not saying that's the case but I've heard it from people. Maybe it's true that you're all virgins. I don't know. I can't prove that you aren't so it could be the case. Who knows? All I know is that the rest of the country is not virgins. They're so good at the sex it's amazing. Trust me I know because I've made a lot of the best sex and gotten a lot of rewards for it. Rewards and Awards. This campaign all be making the best most amazing sex ever and you're gonna love it. So good.

/Trump

Your wrong! And I'll tell you why. Cause I grew up in Virginia and the default state motto on a bumper sticker became "Virginia is for Lovers (hearts)"
 
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I sincerely doubt it. Letting blatant racism go unchallenged simply normalizes racism. That's far more damaging.

Racism sadly is normal.


I sincerely don't know how there could be any confusion unless someone took literally no time to look into it. He's part of a professional organization, that's it.

Because they have the same name, and one is about politics.




That's simply not how communication works in English. Not only is the judge not part of that organization, but unless his ethnic heritage is relevant there would be no reason to mention it. For example had the judge been white do you think Trump would have said 'he is Caucasian and part of an association I don't like"? Of course not.

All the other times he has mentioned the Judge being Mexican, it has been in the context of, "He is Mexican, and that is fine". In that case, its an attempt at a signal to show he is not racist. The irony is that many take that as a sign of racism and it backfires. The whole, I have a black friend idea.

Once more, here is the passage from the WSJ:


The grammatical way to parse that sentence is that both of those factors represent conflicts of interest.

Yes, that is the way the writer is showing it. The problem is that you accept his understanding without the full quote.

If I were to say "I heard someone say 'I hate Mexicans', and that is horrible, and I feel strongly about that". Someone could quote it as I said I hate Mexicans...and I feel strongly about that.

In my example, there would likely need to be intent to misquote like that, but not always is it intended. I have seen other times in the past where people say, why bring up race at all? The implication is bringing up race is inherently racist. Until we have the full quote, its not shown to be racist yet.


Unless the WSJ is deliberately misrepresenting their own interview, yes it does. Their article is crystal clear.

That article is not the article of the interview fyi. That article is commenting on part of the interview. I dont know if you have paid access, but I do, and they dont link to the actual interview or the full quote.


Actually that wouldn't be a conflict either as the case isn't about the wall. The Democratic Party is strongly against Trump's wall but that wouldn't mean that any judge that was part of the Democratic Party has a conflict of interest. This is simply not how the law works.

That is a conflict. Its understood that all Judges have personal opinions, but they are supposed to be professional enough to put those aside. I would say that if Trump tried to get a new judge for just that, he would lose because of the assumption I mentioned above. Judges cannot be expected not to have opinions on things personally.

If a KKK leader was on a jury of a black defendant, would you see that as a conflict of interest. I go that far only to illustrate a point. I dont think the D's are like the KKK other than they are a group.


Of course any campaign could do anything at any time. That doesn't stop us from making rational inferences. If they aren't disputing the WSJ coming straight out and saying Trump said there was a conflict because of his Mexican heritage it is reasonable to assume they don't think that description is wrong.

Trump is defending himself against what Hillary said recently. That is a bigger issue to him, because the racist shit will actually help him. Or, it could be that he does not want to go into it because he did actually say something racist. Either way, it just happened yesterday.

So how long do we have to wait for the Trump campaign to dispute this description of the interview before you think they don't want to dispute it? Just give me a time. It's not like the article tries to beat around the bush, they just come straight out and say it. In fact you're the only person I've seen that seems to think the WSJ ISN'T saying that Trump viewed him as biased due to his Mexican heritage.

His response does not prove or disprove anything. Having access to the interview will. As I explained before, there are many reasons hey may not want to respond.

By the way there's no need to pay for WSJ access, just use either google or chrome incognito mode.

Meh, it was a buck. Im going to look around for a few days and see what they have. I actually feel guilty using methods to get around ad revenue. I feel like its sealing.
 
To garner power, organize the public against an enemy, real or imagined: rings a bell for me. Let me think where?
 
Racism sadly is normal.

Because they have the same name, and one is about politics.

They really really don't have the same name. Again, that's like saying the Democratic Party and the DPRK have the same name.

All the other times he has mentioned the Judge being Mexican, it has been in the context of, "He is Mexican, and that is fine". In that case, its an attempt at a signal to show he is not racist. The irony is that many take that as a sign of racism and it backfires. The whole, I have a black friend idea.

Yes, that is the way the writer is showing it. The problem is that you accept his understanding without the full quote.

Again, unless you think it is likely that the WSJ is misrepresenting their own interview, the writer's take on it is the logical one to accept.

If I were to say "I heard someone say 'I hate Mexicans', and that is horrible, and I feel strongly about that". Someone could quote it as I said I hate Mexicans...and I feel strongly about that.

In my example, there would likely need to be intent to misquote like that, but not always is it intended. I have seen other times in the past where people say, why bring up race at all? The implication is bringing up race is inherently racist. Until we have the full quote, its not shown to be racist yet.

I don't think you apply this standard to other topics that do not involve racism or sexism.

That article is not the article of the interview fyi. That article is commenting on part of the interview. I dont know if you have paid access, but I do, and they dont link to the actual interview or the full quote.

They haven't put out the full transcript yet. I imagine it requires significant editing and transcription work.

That is a conflict. Its understood that all Judges have personal opinions, but they are supposed to be professional enough to put those aside. I would say that if Trump tried to get a new judge for just that, he would lose because of the assumption I mentioned above. Judges cannot be expected not to have opinions on things personally.

If a KKK leader was on a jury of a black defendant, would you see that as a conflict of interest. I go that far only to illustrate a point. I dont think the D's are like the KKK other than they are a group.

I did not say that conflicts of interest were impossible, just that disagreeing on a policy of his is not a conflict of interest by any standard that is applied in US courts.

Trump is defending himself against what Hillary said recently. That is a bigger issue to him, because the racist shit will actually help him. Or, it could be that he does not want to go into it because he did actually say something racist. Either way, it just happened yesterday.

His response does not prove or disprove anything. Having access to the interview will. As I explained before, there are many reasons hey may not want to respond.

I find the idea that you wouldn't accept the people who did the interview's interpretation as likely accurate baffling. Regardless, if it turns out to be correct will you come back here and say unequivocally that Donald Trump is a huge racist?

Meh, it was a buck. Im going to look around for a few days and see what they have. I actually feel guilty using methods to get around ad revenue. I feel like its sealing.

The WSJ has explicitly carved out an exception in their paywall for articles that you reach from Google. It's not like this is some workaround that they are unaware of. That being said, to each their own!
 
Yet again this is totally false. The only connection between the professional association he is a member of and the group you are talking about is that they both have 'La Raza' in their name.

La Raza means "the race", it's pure racism. You're effectively arguing that a KKK lawyers association would be innocent via name only. White robes, same name... totally innocent. Even if separation were true that's a real head scratcher.

Who would be motivated to electively associate themselves with that?
 
La Raza means "the race", it's pure racism. You're effectively arguing that a KKK lawyers association would be innocent via name only. White robes, same name... totally innocent. Even if separation were true that's a real head scratcher.

Who would be motivated to electively associate themselves with that?

i suppose you find Black History Month racist and Women's History Month sexist.
 
La Raza means "the race", it's pure racism. You're effectively arguing that a KKK lawyers association would be innocent via name only. White robes, same name... totally innocent. Even if separation were true that's a real head scratcher.

Who would be motivated to electively associate themselves with that?

Uh... no. Not even a little bit. the literal translation is accurate. The meaning..... not so much. It would more accurately be described as "the people".
 
They really really don't have the same name. Again, that's like saying the Democratic Party and the DPRK have the same name.



Again, unless you think it is likely that the WSJ is misrepresenting their own interview, the writer's take on it is the logical one to accept.



I don't think you apply this standard to other topics that do not involve racism or sexism.



They haven't put out the full transcript yet. I imagine it requires significant editing and transcription work.



I did not say that conflicts of interest were impossible, just that disagreeing on a policy of his is not a conflict of interest by any standard that is applied in US courts.



I find the idea that you wouldn't accept the people who did the interview's interpretation as likely accurate baffling. Regardless, if it turns out to be correct will you come back here and say unequivocally that Donald Trump is a huge racist?



The WSJ has explicitly carved out an exception in their paywall for articles that you reach from Google. It's not like this is some workaround that they are unaware of. That being said, to each their own!

The WSJ is not a single person. The people that did the interview may not be the same people in the company commenting on it. Sometimes people get things wrong.

If trump said the Judge is biased simply because he was racist, then yes, its a racist comment and he would be a racist. I dont know about a huge racist, but a racist 100%.

Just keep in mind, I dont want trump to win. I really though this run would be like his last, and it just be funny. Its not funny anymore.
 
Looks like Wikipedia is "willfully ignorant" and mistranslated it as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Raza

La Raza

The Spanish term La Raza translates as "the Race", Spanish raza having the meaning of "race, ethnicity; breed, strain, lineage". The term expresses ethnic or racial pride, and is used with somewhat different shades of meaning in Spain and in Hispanic America.
 
The WSJ is not a single person. The people that did the interview may not be the same people in the company commenting on it. Sometimes people get things wrong.

If trump said the Judge is biased simply because he was racist, then yes, its a racist comment and he would be a racist. I dont know about a huge racist, but a racist 100%.

Just keep in mind, I dont want trump to win. I really though this run would be like his last, and it just be funny. Its not funny anymore.

I don't think you want Trump to win, I am just very confused as to why you're resisting what is by far the most likely conclusion so strongly.

Yes it's possible the WSJ got it wrong. It is far more likely they got it right.
 
Uh... no. Not even a little bit. the literal translation is accurate. The meaning..... not so much. It would more accurately be described as "the people".

What people? The people of Iran? The people of Asia? The people who like the color blue?

The Spanish term La Raza translates as "the Race", Spanish raza having the meaning of "race, ethnicity; breed, strain, lineage". The term expresses ethnic or racial pride, and is used with somewhat different shades of meaning in Spain and in Hispanic America.
 
I sincerely doubt it. Letting blatant racism go unchallenged simply normalizes racism. That's far more damaging.



I sincerely don't know how there could be any confusion unless someone took literally no time to look into it. He's part of a professional organization, that's it.



That's simply not how communication works in English. Not only is the judge not part of that organization, but unless his ethnic heritage is relevant there would be no reason to mention it. For example had the judge been white do you think Trump would have said 'he is Caucasian and part of an association I don't like"? Of course not.

Once more, here is the passage from the WSJ:



The grammatical way to parse that sentence is that both of those factors represent conflicts of interest.



Unless the WSJ is deliberately misrepresenting their own interview, yes it does. Their article is crystal clear.



Actually that wouldn't be a conflict either as the case isn't about the wall. The Democratic Party is strongly against Trump's wall but that wouldn't mean that any judge that was part of the Democratic Party has a conflict of interest. This is simply not how the law works.



Of course any campaign could do anything at any time. That doesn't stop us from making rational inferences. If they aren't disputing the WSJ coming straight out and saying Trump said there was a conflict because of his Mexican heritage it is reasonable to assume they don't think that description is wrong.



So how long do we have to wait for the Trump campaign to dispute this description of the interview before you think they don't want to dispute it? Just give me a time. It's not like the article tries to beat around the bush, they just come straight out and say it. In fact you're the only person I've seen that seems to think the WSJ ISN'T saying that Trump viewed him as biased due to his Mexican heritage.

By the way there's no need to pay for WSJ access, just use either google or chrome incognito mode.

The grammatical way to parse 'and' is that both conditions must apply.

Anyway because Trump is a master of manipulating perceptions, we now have liberals like yourself arguing technicalities to prove Trump is a racist while the vast swathe of us simpletons who see bias everywhere now are more certain than ever the fix is out for him. You liberals need to wake up to the fact that logic and truth don't mean jack shit if you're feeling you are getting fucked. Look for the authentic impassioned representative who cares about people, somebody with a sign on a door saying, this way out.

What will it matter if Hillary has a more rational economic plan than Bernie if he had a better chance of winning and she will lose. You liberals have counted all the trees no completely missed the forest.
 
I don't think you want Trump to win, I am just very confused as to why you're resisting what is by far the most likely conclusion so strongly.

Yes it's possible the WSJ got it wrong. It is far more likely they got it right.

Jumping to "he is a racist" and then not having much to back it up discredits the criticisms. Trump is deflecting and gaining ground because people assume the strong criticisms are not true. I get you feel that its likely, and this so far is the best example, but that is it. He has been called a racist for a while now. Other than this, and the immigration thing, he was called a racist before that. Ask people why they think he is a racist, and they will bring up the immigration thing, but know next to nothing about what was actually said. They only know he said something, and that others said it was racist.

Those who think he is a racist seem to already be on the side of not trump. Reaching them is not needed. Those who are on the Right are likely to vote Trump at of hating Hillary. Those in the middle are who I care about. Unless we have solid proof then its only possible, and not a fact.
 
Jumping to "he is a racist" and then not having much to back it up discredits the criticisms.

There's lots to back it up, like an article quoting an interview from a respected news organization. This is pretty clearly shown by the fact that this criticism has gotten a ton of traction, meaning that people find it credible. The exact opposite of what you say has happened.

Trump is deflecting and gaining ground because people assume the strong criticisms are not true. I get you feel that its likely, and this so far is the best example, but that is it. He has been called a racist for a while now. Other than this, and the immigration thing, he was called a racist before that. Ask people why they think he is a racist, and they will bring up the immigration thing, but know next to nothing about what was actually said. They only know he said something, and that others said it was racist.

I've seen people try to claim that his previous immigration statement was not racist but that is also an example of extreme, extreme racism. If people don't know the exact quote but still think he's racist that's fine as they have gotten the overall facts right even if they don't know the exact quote as I do.

Those who think he is a racist seem to already be on the side of not trump. Reaching them is not needed. Those who are on the Right are likely to vote Trump at of hating Hillary. Those in the middle are who I care about. Unless we have solid proof then its only possible, and not a fact.

Trump's favorability rating among those in the 'middle' is in the toilet. They seem to be being reached quite well, haha.
 
I don't think you want Trump to win, I am just very confused as to why you're resisting what is by far the most likely conclusion so strongly.

Yes it's possible the WSJ got it wrong. It is far more likely they got it right.

I have great hope for him. He is devoted to Truth whever it leads and no false logic of any kind must be allowed to stand. I am hopeful that wonderful quality will carry him so far out on a limb he falls out of his logic tree into Moonbean's garden.
 
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