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JTsyo said:
How would a jury be qualified to make that determination. Seems like this would come from the DOD or somewhere that says these documents were classified for national security. You don't need the contents of the docs just the reason they were classified, which would be a separate document.
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They're absolutely not qualified. And that was part of the prosecution's argument. It's not a matter for the jury to find fact with. All that should be necessary to determine is "was this document marked as classified" and that should be the end of it.
 
Pens1566 said:
They're absolutely not qualified. And that was part of the prosecution's argument. It's not a matter for the jury to find fact with. All that should be necessary to determine is "was this document marked as classified" and that should be the end of it.
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Indeed, every statute regarding classified documents doesn't cite the content, precisely because the content is irrelevant.
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
Indeed, every statute regarding classified documents doesn't cite the content, precisely because the content is irrelevant.
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Yep. There's no way anyone on that jury will have the requisite knowledge to determine the appropriate level on any of those documents. Unless they're the person that originally classified it, or are aware of the classification guide that pertains to it.
 
Pens1566 said:
Yep. There's no way anyone on that jury will have the requisite knowledge to determine the appropriate level on any of those documents. Unless they're the person that originally classified it, or are aware of the classification guide that pertains to it.
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It’s also simply not their call as to if it is classified or not. Even if they had all the necessary knowledge, read the document in its entirety, and came to the conclusion it should not be classified it would be irrelevant. It’s classified because the relevant classification authority decided it is.
 
fskimospy said:
It’s also simply not their call as to if it is classified or not. Even if they had all the necessary knowledge, read the document in its entirety, and came to the conclusion it should not be classified it would be irrelevant. It’s classified because the relevant classification authority decided it is.
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The relevant classification authority knew Trump was going to take these specific documents and thus marked them classified for no other reason than to make Trump look bad and trick the public.

No wait, that might not fly with everyone...

Trump knows what should be classified better than the relevant classification authorities. We can either take his word for it, or litigate the relevant classification needs of each document one by one.
 
dank69 said:
The relevant classification authority knew Trump was going to take these specific documents and thus marked them classified for no other reason than to make Trump look bad and trick the public.

No wait, that might not fly with everyone...

Trump knows what should be classified better than the relevant classification authorities. We can either take his word for it, or litigate the relevant classification needs of each document one by one.
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Even if the authority marked them classified just to be a dick I'm pretty sure willful retention of them would still be a crime.
 
But…but…but Trump magically declassified everything by just waving his imaginary solid 24k gold magic declassification wand over it all.
 
Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
Isn't this Obstruction of Justice?

Jack Smith Stung By Ethics Complaint​

Republican Congresswoman Elise Stefanik has filed a complaint to the Justice Department, accusing Smith of "trying to interfere with the 2024 election."
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Speech and debate clause would likely protect her even if it was and it's not like it matters anyway as the complaint will be ignored.

Jack Smith is 'stung' by the ethics complaint in the same way you are 'stung' if someone on ATPN says you're a poopy head.
 
dank69 said:
The relevant classification authority knew Trump was going to take these specific documents and thus marked them classified for no other reason than to make Trump look bad and trick the public.

No wait, that might not fly with everyone...

Trump knows what should be classified better than the relevant classification authorities. We can either take his word for it, or litigate the relevant classification needs of each document one by one.
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I mean Trump could have declassified the docs but he didn't. And even if they were declassified it doesn't mean he could take it with him since they were still US records.
 
JTsyo said:
I mean Trump could have declassified the docs but he didn't. And even if they were declassified it doesn't mean he could take it with him since they were still US records.
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Correct - the classification of them is only one of Trump's many problems with these documents, and the 'psychic declassification' thing is so stupid it barely merits a response. If that were a thing that would mean the president would need to personally weigh in on each and every mishandling of classified material so that we could be sure he hadn't psychically declassified it without telling anyone.
 
Donny's charges are a lot more serious than this guy's Why isn't he locked up also?

Air Force preps new military charges against convicted Pentagon leaker Jack Teixeira​

abcnews.go.com.ico
ABC|2 hours ago
Massachusetts Air National Guardsman Jack Teixeira will face military criminal proceedings next month for alleged violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
 
Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
Donny's charges are a lot more serious than this guy's Why isn't he locked up also?

Air Force preps new military charges against convicted Pentagon leaker Jack Teixeira​

abcnews.go.com.ico
ABC|2 hours ago
Massachusetts Air National Guardsman Jack Teixeira will face military criminal proceedings next month for alleged violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
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B/C the president isn't subject to the UCMJ. It's far, far more strict, more well defined, and better enforced than anything in the civilian realm.

Note: this is as it should be, our civilian government is in control of the military, not the other way around.
 
JTsyo said:
I mean Trump could have declassified the docs but he didn't. And even if they were declassified it doesn't mean he could take it with him since they were still US records.
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And even if they weren't US records, he willfully chose to ignore the requests to return them.

That to me is the most straightforward part of this. He received multiple demands to return the documents and chose not to.

The treasonous part is what was in them. Minimally, he needs jail-time for the criminal activity. He needs to be treated as a traitor based on the content that he likely sold (see Saudi $2B donation to Jerrod) .
 
compcons said:
And even if they weren't US records, he willfully chose to ignore the requests to return them.

That to me is the most straightforward part of this. He received multiple demands to return the documents and chose not to.

The treasonous part is what was in them. Minimally, he needs jail-time for the criminal activity. He needs to be treated as a traitor based on the content that he likely sold (see Saudi $2B donation to Jerrod) .
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As much as he let foreign leaders suck up to him, he didn’t influence MBS to invest in Jarad’s fund. If he had any impact, he’d take the money for himself. That $2B all Jarad butt kissing.
 
compcons said:
And even if they weren't US records, he willfully chose to ignore the requests to return them.

That to me is the most straightforward part of this. He received multiple demands to return the documents and chose not to.

The treasonous part is what was in them. Minimally, he needs jail-time for the criminal activity. He needs to be treated as a traitor based on the content that he likely sold (see Saudi $2B donation to Jerrod) .
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And that's why Mikey and Joe aren't in the hot seat. They either returned before requested, or immediately upon request.
 
That's a big assumption unfortunately, with his pet judge "running" things. All Trump has to do is get close to November, and of course actually win the election.
 
Fenixgoon said:
Assuming this eventually gets to trial, it sounds like trump is pretty fucked if this article is any indication.
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Not with this bitch in charge of the trial.

www.salon.com

Judge Cannon grants Trump's latest request for a delay, possibly pushing trial to after the election - Salon.com

Cannon, who was appointed by Trump, has repeatedly granted defense requests to postpone the case
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And for context of her collusion.

www.salon.com

Judge Cannon's secret right-wing getaway: Why didn't we know about this? - Salon.com

Federal judge in Trump's documents trial didn't tell us about those right-wing conferences at a Montana resort
www.salon.com www.salon.com
 
hal2kilo said:
Not with this bitch in charge of the trial.

www.salon.com

Judge Cannon grants Trump's latest request for a delay, possibly pushing trial to after the election - Salon.com

Cannon, who was appointed by Trump, has repeatedly granted defense requests to postpone the case
www.salon.com www.salon.com

And for context of her collusion.

www.salon.com

Judge Cannon's secret right-wing getaway: Why didn't we know about this? - Salon.com

Federal judge in Trump's documents trial didn't tell us about those right-wing conferences at a Montana resort
www.salon.com www.salon.com
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What in the actual Clarence Thomas is happening over there?
 
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