Trump just fired Comey!

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No, I'm just sick of your petty back and forth. Sorry, but I'm not your servant, required to give you the answers you think you're somehow entitled to. If you don't like my opinion, I don't care.
Petty back and forth? You made an assertion regarding me and I asked you to back it up. Then you responded with fabricated horseshit and I called you on it. And then you act like a child throwing a tantrum. Know this about me...I don't mind you expressing your opinion, but please don't expect me to be convinced of anything you say based solely what you imagine to be true instead of providing actual facts that support your arguments. And if you want respect from me...I'll gladly give it when received in like kind. Think about it.
 

Vic

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Petty back and forth? You made an assertion regarding me and I asked you to back it up. Then you responded with fabricated horseshit and I called you on it. And then you act like a child throwing a tantrum. Know this about me...I don't mind you expressing your opinion, but please don't expect me to be convinced of anything you say based solely what you imagine to be true instead of providing actual facts that support your arguments. And if you want respect from me...I'll gladly give it when received in like kind. Think about it.
Your 'assertion' was defending something that you must know is false. Sorry, but I got bored of it.
 

Phokus

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smh

It's like he read a biography of Richard Nixon and said, 'yep, i'm going to follow that path'.
 

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Petty back and forth? You made an assertion regarding me and I asked you to back it up. Then you responded with fabricated horseshit and I called you on it. And then you act like a child throwing a tantrum. Know this about me...I don't mind you expressing your opinion, but please don't expect me to be convinced of anything you say based solely what you imagine to be true instead of providing actual facts that support your arguments. And if you want respect from me...I'll gladly give it when received in like kind. Think about it.

Just shut up you POS.

From searching, and I just took a fraction of the pile of crap you've ****** about in the past.

"[About Benghazi] Lies and obstructionism at every turn?"

"Clinton was never confronted with her proven lies during the Democratic debate. Yet Ben Carson's memories of inconsequential events from decades ago will be under the microscope tonight. Compare and contrast."

"The FBI cares about her emails."
 

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I'm no lawyer but I think there's enough wiggle room for a good lawyer can get him out of it.

BS. It's clear obstruction of justice. He should already be impeached, but that's another thing to tack on.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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His retort was pretty poor. Declaring your stance in a hypothetical scenario for you is crap.

That said, Trump's firing of Comey was still massively unethical and the administration's PR handling of it a disgrace.


As woolfe pointed out it goes beyond ethics. If you haven't read his post regarding 18 U.S.C 1505, Trump has admitted (no doubt unwittingly) to a serious illegal act with his statement connecting Comey's firing to the Russian investigation. It's an incredible breach of law.
 

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As woolfe pointed out it goes beyond ethics. If you haven't read his post regarding 18 U.S.C 1505, Trump has admitted (no doubt unwittingly) to a serious illegal act with his statement connecting Comey's firing to the Russian investigation. It's an incredible breach of law.

I read it. I'll wait until charges are filed in that regard.
 

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As woolfe pointed out it goes beyond ethics. If you haven't read his post regarding 18 U.S.C 1505, Trump has admitted (no doubt unwittingly) to a serious illegal act with his statement connecting Comey's firing to the Russian investigation. It's an incredible breach of law.

Honest question because I know you'll give it a legitimate and reasoned response. You have sort of sat on the fence for this entire Trump fiasco. And even through a part of this thread had a tempered reservation on if anything really "wrong" happened.

1) What really tipped you one direction vs. the other?
2) What can we really do about it? I know you said you would send a letter to your representative. But I've got McConnell and Rand as my senators. What can I legitimately do to really voice my concerns?
 

cytg111

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These guys are just throwing out smoke and some of you are falling for it... dont engange, you're playing into their hand.
 

alien42

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Let the rage and hate flow....but beware...it defines you.

sorry, but you and all the other deplorables defending the Traitor in Chief already own the rage and hate.

your attempts to cast your own bad traits on those who oppose your bullshit is a FAIL.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Honest question because I know you'll give it a legitimate and reasoned response. You have sort of sat on the fence for this entire Trump fiasco. And even through a part of this thread had a tempered reservation on if anything really "wrong" happened.

1) What really tipped you one direction vs. the other?
2) What can we really do about it? I know you said you would send a letter to your representative. But I've got McConnell and Rand as my senators. What can I legitimately do to really voice my concerns?

It is my nature to take as little as possible on first impression. Often things are presented which are incomplete or untrue, not as part of some "fake news" conspiracy but because of the nature of news. Get it in fast and report as best one can. So I sit back and watch for a while and then form my opinions with a prior assumption that what I think I know may be wrong.

I knew Trump is reprehensible from the beginning, and foolish in the extreme, but people around him might have reeled him. Unfortunately recent history has revealed a nature which is incompatible with highest office. That he may be unfit from his great shortcomings however does not mean that any legal threshold had been reached for removal. By that I mean something of substance which is in direct conflict to the Office, ethics and law. To remove ANY President is not a trivial matter.

So I bided my time and considered various sources and opinions. Trump is a great embarrassment and a bad leader in the extreme and yes that matters, but we as a people need to act on a basis of law or the law means nothing, a far greater threat than Trump.

IMO we have reached that point where Trump admits to violating law, and has threatened the former Director which he fired counter to law.

This is the unambiguous red line crossed. It is not a matter of nonsense or partisan bickering, this is the outright violation of the Oath of Office and the rule of law for which Trump has clearly shown to have no regard.

In short Trump by his very words has admitted to law breaking, not at some trivial level of frustration on our parts, but what is written in our legal code. This should not be allowed to stand.

What to do? Aye, there's the rub.

We can send messages to our representatives with the facts in hand and ask directly what action if any they are supporting, and ask for details, not platitudes. I've done that. I've also sent this to all members of the House Judiciary Committee, which usually oversees impeachment. I want to know their positions when confronted with quotes of Trump and the precise law involved.

The next stage? Protests in DC. Organized and like that seen in the 60's again war and pro-civil rights. I do not know how to organize such an event but perhaps there are organizations which exist that might be convinced to do so. I'm ill informed on that front.

Next is something which isn't easy and that is recommending a party, however we are at a point IMO that the society and government we should strive for cannot exist when the most powerful leaders oppose it. If one cannot tolerate a given candidate don't vote for them, but whenever personal values allow vote for Democrats in Congress. Be sure I have many issues with the party, but they are secondary for the foreseeable future.

Pretty much all I have for now.
 

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It is my nature to take as little as possible on first impression. Often things are presented which are incomplete or untrue, not as part of some "fake news" conspiracy but because of the nature of news. Get it in fast and report as best one can. So I sit back and watch for a while and then form my opinions with a prior assumption that what I think I know may be wrong.

Thank you for the response. We all could use a bit of similar reflection when approaching issues.
 

UNCjigga

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I wonder if the Senate committee looking into Trump Campaign-Russia should ask to hear these Comey tapes? Pretty sure it's time to look into obstruction of justice. If there are tapes, who gets to listen to them?
 

UNCjigga

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Also, someone explain to me Sara Sanders' defense of Trump asking Comey point blank whether he was under investigation. I mean, Bill Clinton steps onto a plane with AG Lynch and everyone (Left and Right) gets upset...He wasn't even the subject of investigation! But everyone agreed it was horrible optics and Lynch had to recuse herself. But Trump does essentially the same thing, IS potentially the subject, and gets a pass?? Why isn't Judicial Watch suing to hear the Trump-Comey tapes?? If Lynch had to recuse herself after tarmac-gate, why don't we have a special prosecutor yet??
 
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