Trump just fired Comey!

[VRAMdemon]

Parsing his recent nonsense is difficult. Either he has "tapes" of Comey saying something bad and this is a threat, or he has "tapes" of Comey saying something that is not bad but that he can pretend is bad and his supporters will believe it, or he doesn't have anything at all and he is hoping that the mere insinuation is sufficient. The mere insinuation probably is sufficient to convince his supporters that Comey is dishonest in some way. And he doesn't really care what his opponents think about him.

The President just admitted he has secret tapes. Isn't that..you know, subpoenable evidence? Actually, putting "tapes" in quotes reads more like an admission that he's fabricating fake evidence.

 

[fskimospy]

This is a completely different matter from the point I was making.

Well what do you think about that completely different matter?

 

[emperus]

So the story has now changed to Comey "hinted" instead....so that's how you rationalize the horseshit MSM reporting initially saying he threatened to quit. Nice! Care to rationalize the bald-faced lie that Comey was denied additional resources as well?

You're acting pathetic. All the reporting re: Rosenstein has been consistent. He hinted/threatened he would resign if they didn't change the story. And coincidentally, the story changed.

I'm also at a loss as to what your point is. The media reported that he threatened instead of reported that he hinted at resigning and that did _______ (fill in the line). And all the while you are harping about that semantic difference, the President of the United States fired the FBI director, then directed his staff to lie about it or misled his staff as the reason (your choice), and then came out to say he fired him partially because of the Russia investigation (in his own words). And your outrage is what?

Can you understand why I think you're acting pathetically,

 

[alien42]

Parsing his recent nonsense is difficult. Either he has "tapes" of Comey saying something bad and this is a threat, or he has "tapes" of Comey saying something that is not bad but that he can pretend is bad and his supporters will believe it, or he doesn't have anything at all and he is hoping that the mere insinuation is sufficient. The mere insinuation probably is sufficient to convince his supporters that Comey is dishonest in some way. And he doesn't really care what his opponents think about him.

The President just admitted he has secret tapes. Isn't that..you know, subpoenable evidence? Actually, putting "tapes" in quotes reads more like an admission that he's fabricating fake evidence.

one big problem, if he had recorded the conversation without Comey's consent, then Trump broke the law.

 

[Vic]

Trump is losin' it..

 

[K1052]

Totally doesn't look potentially guilty of anything he'd want to throw the FBI off the hunt for, with few exceptions.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You're acting pathetic. All the reporting re: Rosenstein has been consistent. He hinted/threatened he would resign if they didn't change the story. And coincidentally, the story changed.

I'm also at a loss as to what your point is. The media reported that he threatened instead of reported that he hinted at resigning and that did _______ (fill in the line). And all the while you are harping about that semantic difference, the President of the United States fired the FBI director, then directed his staff to lie about it or misled his staff as the reason (your choice), and then came out to say he fired him partially because of the Russia investigation (in his own words). And your outrage is what?

Can you understand why I think you're acting pathetically,

Rosenstein himself explicitly denied that he threatened to quit. Can you understand why I think you're acting pathetically?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Well what do you think about that completely different matter?

Trump is stupid as fuck...he understands nothing about politics and the law...or how to conduct himself for that matter.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

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Totally doesn't look potentially guilty of anything he'd want to throw the FBI off the hunt for, with few exceptions.

For evidence will they show the press stacks of seemingly blank papers and folders that can't be opened, looked at or in any way verified too? Worked great for his seperation plans from his business.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

one big problem, if he had recorded the conversation without Comey's consent, then Trump broke the law.

It may be that Trump is saying that if Comey taped their conversation covertly without proper legal authority Comey would suffer the consequences but who the hell knows what Trump is thinking, including Trump.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Rosenstein himself explicitly denied that he threatened to quit. Can you understand why I think you're acting pathetically?

Actually he said "I'm not quitting". Can you cite me the quote where he denied anything else? I genuinely have not see that.

 

[UNCjigga]

Totally doesn't look potentially guilty of anything he'd want to throw the FBI off the hunt for, with few exceptions.

So...He's gonna release his tax returns from the past 10 years?? Still waiting...

 

[woolfe9998]

18 U.S.C. 1505

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress -

Shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.

 

[alien42]

It may be that Trump is saying that if Comey taped their conversation covertly without proper legal authority Comey would suffer the consequences but who the hell knows what Trump is thinking, including Trump.

it does indeed look like Trump is afraid that Comey taped the conversation but i highly doubt that Trump has any clue about the legality of recording conversations.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

18 U.S.C. 1505

Thank you for that. I knew it was illegal but I didn't know the particulars of the law. This is a criminal, not civil illegal action.

This should be the nail if someone picks up the hammer.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Actually he said "I'm not quitting". Can you cite me the quote where he denied anything else? I genuinely have not see that.

http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/d...ting-didnt-threaten-to-quit-over-comey-firing

When asked by Sinclair Broadcast Group's Michelle Macaluso about reports that claim otherwise, he stated "no, I'm not quitting."

Macaluso: Did you threaten to quit?

Rosenstein: No.​

 

[Vic]

So we now have a situation where the president basically admitted to committing a crime in a televised interview and people are still so partisan that they are whining about the media.

Conservatives have lost their minds. I mean they went crazy under Obama but I figured that was just partisanship. It seems that the alternate reality they constructed to convince themselves Obama was bad just kind of stuck.

What do you do when half the country has simply lost any contact with reality?

Trump has created a kind of religion of propaganda. His followers have been convinced that because they read/listen/watch his non-MSM 'news,' that they have been privileged with gnosis, or a "special knowledge" that only the faithful can hear and understand. Liberals are infidels, they are told, maliciously intent on destroying their way of life.
These are dangerous times, people. Trump wanted to be President so badly that he didn't care about how he got it. The chaos and mayhem that we see around us is the result of that amoral desire for power. And it's not going to go away quietly.

 

[fskimospy]

one big problem, if he had recorded the conversation without Comey's consent, then Trump broke the law.

Not the case in DC, which is a one party consent jurisdiction. You can record people without their knowledge or consent so long as one party to the conversation knows they are being recorded.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/d...ting-didnt-threaten-to-quit-over-comey-firing

When asked by Sinclair Broadcast Group's Michelle Macaluso about reports that claim otherwise, he stated "no, I'm not quitting."

Macaluso: Did you threaten to quit?

Rosenstein: No.​

I understand you are addressing a different issue here but I at least do not think you would support outright violation of the law and so am curious as to you opinion on the following.

Trump called Comey out on several things and one was that he did was link his termination of Comey to the investigation into Russian activities in the election. His words are available so no "fake news" regarding them is relevant.

What do you make of that in the context of 18 U.S.C. 1505, which clearly prohibits such action on the part of Trump especially since Trump himself inserted comments about the investigation being about himself. By that I mean statements regarding this is a fake scandal to get at Trump because they lost the election.

By his own words he has shown violation of 18 U.S.C. 1505, and it would be hard to argue against that when taking statements and comparing them to law for applicability.

Remember I'm not talking partisan bickering about this and that, but zeroing in on statements directly from the mouth of the President and the law as it is.

What is you legal perspective, not ideological consideration?

 

[VRAMdemon]

one big problem, if he had recorded the conversation without Comey's consent, then Trump broke the law.

I'm betting that there is no "tapes". Trump thrives on this confusion. He knows there are no "tapes". It's to make Comey seem like the bad guy to his supporters in his cryptic nonsense. He can manipulate those strings like no one else. Manipulating those strings into a noose around your own neck, just like the master Nixon himself. Such dexterity. It's like Trump was given a biography of Nixon to read, and he thought it was a how-to manual. The man's as smooth as a 75-cent shave.

 

[vi edit]

Totally doesn't look potentially guilty of anything he'd want to throw the FBI off the hunt for, with few exceptions.

Nah just 500 million from Deutsche Bank which is German. Totally legit. No Russian money!

 

[emperus]

Rosenstein himself explicitly denied that he threatened to quit. Can you understand why I think you're acting pathetically?

These are the questions and his responses

Q: Did you threaten to quit over the Comey Fallout? Can you say why...
A: No, I'm not Quitting
Q: Did you threaten to Quit?
A: No

Ask yourself why he answered the first time the way he did. Why was he initially trying to be evasive with his answer? Or do you think the f'ning deputy Attorney General didn't understand the question he was initially asked? Cmon, it's amazing who you choose to give the benefit of the doubt to. It's honestly pathetic you let your partisanship rob you of whatever credibility you would have. Trump and the clusterfuck of this presidency is a direct result of people like yourself.

Edit: I bet you also believed Hilary Clinton when she said she didn't send any classified information. You're turning into a bigger and bigger joke.

Edit 2: What is even amazing. The fact that he threatened to quit even gave him a temporary reprieve in his stupid decision to sign off on that letter. Otherwise the fact that he wrote that letter and was ok with it would have made him a complete hack.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

These are the questions and his responses

Q: Did you threaten to quit over the Comey Fallout? Can you say why...
A: No, I'm not Quitting
Q: Did you threaten to Quit?
A: No

Ask yourself why he answered the first time the way he did. Why was he initially trying to be evasive with his answer? Or do you think the f'ning deputy Attorney General didn't understand the question he was initially asked? Cmon, it's amazing who you choose to give the benefit of the doubt to. It's honestly pathetic you let your partisanship rob you of whatever credibility you would have. Trump and the clusterfuck of this presidency is a direct result of people like yourself.

Edit: I bet you also believed Hilary Clinton when she said she didn't send any classified information. You're turning into a bigger and bigger joke.

Wow...just wow. He was specifically asked whether or not he threatened to quit and he specifically answered 'No'. It doesn't get anymore black and white than that. Dude...you're batshit insane.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I understand you are addressing a different issue here but I at least do not think you would support outright violation of the law and so am curious as to you opinion on the following.

Trump called Comey out on several things and one was that he did was link his termination of Comey to the investigation into Russian activities in the election. His words are available so no "fake news" regarding them is relevant.

What do you make of that in the context of 18 U.S.C. 1505, which clearly prohibits such action on the part of Trump especially since Trump himself inserted comments about the investigation being about himself. By that I mean statements regarding this is a fake scandal to get at Trump because they lost the election.

By his own words he has shown violation of 18 U.S.C. 1505, and it would be hard to argue against that when taking statements and comparing them to law for applicability.

Remember I'm not talking partisan bickering about this and that, but zeroing in on statements directly from the mouth of the President and the law as it is.

What is you legal perspective, not ideological consideration?

I'm no lawyer but I think there's enough wiggle room for a good lawyer can get him out of it.

 

[emperus]

Wow...just wow. He was specifically asked whether or not he threatened to quit and he specifically answered 'No'. It doesn't get anymore black and white than that. Dude...you're batshit insane.

You clearly are living in some alternate reality. You clearly read my post and chose to ignore the majority of it. Do you just ignore the things that you find too upsetting to think about? Does it just bounce off your bubble? I'm really trying to understand how minds like yours work.

Let me try again and see if it enters your bubble.
These are the questions and his responses

Q: Did you threaten to quit over the Comey Fallout? Can you say why...
A: No, I'm not Quitting
Q: Did you threaten to Quit?
A: No

Please Explain his FIRST reply.