ivwshane
Lifer
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Yes it is common, Obama visited multiple countries in 2008.
Yes it is common, Obama visited multiple countries in 2008.
Sheik Yerbouti
Lifer
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I doubt "other" prez candidates have felt the need to pull a stunt just to get elected.
Usually and typically the difference in ideology and policy is enough any candidate needs to gain votes or lose votes.
When one has nothing else going for them, a stunt is about the only option.
Frankly (my favorite Trump word) frankly I find it amazing that people support Trump.
He has flip flopped so much, most of that within the last few weeks. Trump came to fame because he demonized Mexico, Hispanics, and illegals, and now he softens and flip flops on even that. And still his people follow him?
Lets get real....
Is this just some TV celebrity thing going on here?
Is that why people love Donald?
Is that all this is? Fame and TV?
As far as politics, Donald claimed to be and his people wanted that "outsider", the non politician. And now we have Donald Trump doing the exact thing he once claimed to hate and his people claimed to hate, saying one thing then doing another.
The definition of your typical Washington DC politician.
Tell them what they want to hear, and never follow through.
Trump has lowered himself to that level.
Telling the crowd what they want to hear, then doing the opposite.
Getting people all in a frenzy over walls and illegals, and now Trump seems unsure.
And strangely enough, only Donald Trump's die-hard supporters and staff are still saying Donald has not changed his policy. Yet Donald has absolutely changed his policy.
Donald sounds more like Jeb Bush and Rubio. Yet Donald Trump supporters refuse to face the facts that their leader is indeed turning into that typical Washington DC politician they claim to so hate and despise.
Usually and typically the difference in ideology and policy is enough any candidate needs to gain votes or lose votes.
When one has nothing else going for them, a stunt is about the only option.
Frankly (my favorite Trump word) frankly I find it amazing that people support Trump.
He has flip flopped so much, most of that within the last few weeks. Trump came to fame because he demonized Mexico, Hispanics, and illegals, and now he softens and flip flops on even that. And still his people follow him?
Lets get real....
Is this just some TV celebrity thing going on here?
Is that why people love Donald?
Is that all this is? Fame and TV?
As far as politics, Donald claimed to be and his people wanted that "outsider", the non politician. And now we have Donald Trump doing the exact thing he once claimed to hate and his people claimed to hate, saying one thing then doing another.
The definition of your typical Washington DC politician.
Tell them what they want to hear, and never follow through.
Trump has lowered himself to that level.
Telling the crowd what they want to hear, then doing the opposite.
Getting people all in a frenzy over walls and illegals, and now Trump seems unsure.
And strangely enough, only Donald Trump's die-hard supporters and staff are still saying Donald has not changed his policy. Yet Donald has absolutely changed his policy.
Donald sounds more like Jeb Bush and Rubio. Yet Donald Trump supporters refuse to face the facts that their leader is indeed turning into that typical Washington DC politician they claim to so hate and despise.
Sheik Yerbouti
Lifer
- Feb 16, 2005
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And there appears to be some confusion on who's paying for The Wall™
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/31/politics/donald-trump-immigration-top-lines/index.html -drumpf says...
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/30/politics/donald-trump-enrique-pea-nieto-mexico/index.html - presidente nieto says...
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/31/politics/donald-trump-immigration-top-lines/index.html -drumpf says...
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/30/politics/donald-trump-enrique-pea-nieto-mexico/index.html - presidente nieto says...
I for one am shocked that Trump appears to have lied about the contents of their conversation.
trenchfoot
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- Aug 5, 2000
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He's going to make Mexico pay for the wall by hiring Mexicans to build it. And then, in true Trump fashion, take all of them to court and dare them to make him (USA) pay for it all.
It's either that or he's going to build the wall at America's expense and claim that Mexico is paying for it by denying any more Mexican illegal immigrants from entering the USA and deporting those millions of them who are presently here, thereby preventing them from siphoning off dollars in our country and sending most of it back to Mexico.
Or both?
*Yes, the aforementioned is tongue in cheek, but I wouldn't put it past him to try it.
It's either that or he's going to build the wall at America's expense and claim that Mexico is paying for it by denying any more Mexican illegal immigrants from entering the USA and deporting those millions of them who are presently here, thereby preventing them from siphoning off dollars in our country and sending most of it back to Mexico.
Or both?
*Yes, the aforementioned is tongue in cheek, but I wouldn't put it past him to try it.
pcgeek11
Lifer
- Jun 12, 2005
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TheGardener
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The good news is that the country is having a real conversation about immigration. Up until Trump, the status quo over decades has been to ignore the existing immigration laws.
feralkid
Lifer
- Jan 28, 2002
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It's up to the legislative branch to make laws.
There is a bipartisan immigration bill waiting for a vote in congress.
Who is preventing an up or down vote??
Hint: it's not Obama.
feralkid
Lifer
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pcgeek11
Lifer
- Jun 12, 2005
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Hint: The law is already on the books that make it illegal to immigrate without permission.
Ns1
No Lifer
- Jun 17, 2001
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TheGardener
Golden Member
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Sheik Yerbouti
Lifer
- Feb 16, 2005
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lol, 'cooked the books'
Unless it fits in with your ideology, it's book cooking. Gotcha
ivwshane
Lifer
- May 15, 2000
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Unfortunately idiot hacks like you don't know what they are talking about and keep voting for other idiots who not only don't address the issue but also actively block any progress.
ivwshane
Lifer
- May 15, 2000
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Pens1566
Lifer
- Oct 11, 2005
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Translation : "I don't want to believe the facts you've brought to the discussion as they disagree with my perception of reality"
Capt Caveman
Lifer
- Jan 30, 2005
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pcgeek11
Lifer
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It is all about how you count them:
It’s all in the counting. As reported by ICE, the president has indeed deported illegal immigrants at a higher rate than any other president. A new report, by the Bipartisan Policy Center, a Washington think tank, backs up the ICE’s claim.
The counting switch, she explains, originated in a policy change in which the Border Patrol began handing over to ICE many of the people it had been immediately returning across the border. Now, after processing and penalizing them, ICE removes them from the country, often at a different location along the border.
The policy aims to separate illegal border crossers from dangerous smugglers who helped them. And by penalizing them, it aims to reduce the likelihood that they will cross again.
The numerical effect, though, is to include the Border Patrol “referrals” in the ICE count of “removals,” and thus both sets of government data are counted as deportations. In previous administrations, those caught at the border were not counted as deportations, Ms. Vaughan says.
To account for this difference, she counts the total number of illegal immigrants sent back as reported by all immigration-related agencies, starting with President Eisenhower. What she finds is that the real deporter in chief was President Clinton, who sent an annual average of 1.5 million illegal immigrants out of the US. Obama ranks seventh, sending an average of 800,000 per year packing.
“Yes, on paper, the number of deportations did hit a record,” says Vaughan, speaking of the Obama administration. “But the types of cases counted to achieve that record changed dramatically.”
Not so fast, says Theresa Brown, an immigration expert at the Bipartisan Policy Center. Record keeping has changed over time, as have immigration policies, so getting an accurate picture of deportations over past decades is not really possible. “You can interpret these numbers based on your bias,” she says.
But both Vaughan and Ms. Brown agree with this interpretation of ICE data: that enforcement under Obama has shifted to the border and away from the interior – the vast rest of the country beyond 100 miles of the border. Interior removals have dropped by 40 percent over the past three years, according to the most recent ICE data, while nearly two-thirds of deportations are from the border area.
It’s all in the counting. As reported by ICE, the president has indeed deported illegal immigrants at a higher rate than any other president. A new report, by the Bipartisan Policy Center, a Washington think tank, backs up the ICE’s claim.
- But according to Jessica Vaughan of the Center for Immigration Studies, a nonpartisan group that seeks lower immigration, ICE counts deportations differently than did past administrations, adding border crossers to its total.. This is why its numbers look bigger by historical comparison.
The counting switch, she explains, originated in a policy change in which the Border Patrol began handing over to ICE many of the people it had been immediately returning across the border. Now, after processing and penalizing them, ICE removes them from the country, often at a different location along the border.
The policy aims to separate illegal border crossers from dangerous smugglers who helped them. And by penalizing them, it aims to reduce the likelihood that they will cross again.
The numerical effect, though, is to include the Border Patrol “referrals” in the ICE count of “removals,” and thus both sets of government data are counted as deportations. In previous administrations, those caught at the border were not counted as deportations, Ms. Vaughan says.
To account for this difference, she counts the total number of illegal immigrants sent back as reported by all immigration-related agencies, starting with President Eisenhower. What she finds is that the real deporter in chief was President Clinton, who sent an annual average of 1.5 million illegal immigrants out of the US. Obama ranks seventh, sending an average of 800,000 per year packing.
“Yes, on paper, the number of deportations did hit a record,” says Vaughan, speaking of the Obama administration. “But the types of cases counted to achieve that record changed dramatically.”
Not so fast, says Theresa Brown, an immigration expert at the Bipartisan Policy Center. Record keeping has changed over time, as have immigration policies, so getting an accurate picture of deportations over past decades is not really possible. “You can interpret these numbers based on your bias,” she says.
But both Vaughan and Ms. Brown agree with this interpretation of ICE data: that enforcement under Obama has shifted to the border and away from the interior – the vast rest of the country beyond 100 miles of the border. Interior removals have dropped by 40 percent over the past three years, according to the most recent ICE data, while nearly two-thirds of deportations are from the border area.
Meghan54
Lifer
- Oct 18, 2009
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Well, right there's your problem. While it's a non-profit, it's certainly NOT nonpartisan...it's rather conservative, esp. seen by articles on its front page, such as "Gang of Eight" members McCain and Rubio win primaries... now why would the non-partisan site refer to McCain and Rubio as members of the "Gang of Eight" unless it's trying to push, albeit not so subtlety, that both were for immigration reform that the "Center" opposes?
http://cis.org/north/gang-eight-members-mccain-and-rubio-win-primaries-does-arpaio
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