Trump has a live convo with National Asso. of Black Journalists in Chicago - and he actually nails it.

[Zeze]

Nope. You said you would answer me after I answered you.

For the sixth time - if I show you evidence that the cheers and support came from Trump’s people will you admit to being wrong?

Watch the full video then come back to me.

Then I'll answer your Q. I bet you think it's a hard Q for me to dodge? Nope, I'm not you.

Now go watch the video in full so I'm not talking to a book-cover reader all this time. Open your eyes and see the plain lies about Trump.

 

[fskimospy]

Watch the full video then come back to me.

Then I'll answer your Q. I bet you think it's a hard Q for me to dodge? Nope, I'm not you.

Now go watch the video in full so I'm not talking to a book-cover reader.

So when you said if I answered you that you would answer me you were lying?

If it’s not a hard question for you to answer then you should just go ahead and keep your word.

For a seventh time - if I show you evidence that the cheers and support came from Trump’s people would you admit to being wrong?

 

[Zeze]

So when you said if I answered you that you would answer me you were lying?

If it’s not a hard question for you to answer then you should just go ahead and keep your word.

For a seventh time - if I show you evidence that the cheers and support came from Trump’s people would you admit to being wrong?

We're not on the same level. You aren't informed. I'm talking to a book-cover reader vs someone who watched 100%. I've already proven to you and others that there were CLEAR left spins and flat out lies because I watched the video. You haven't. This is just bad faith.

But, I'll allow it.

1. Go ahead and share. You're hold it in like it's some kind of a playmaker card. I'll be very skeptical due to the clear spins I saw already.
2. Also we've also even talked about this. Are they white folks doing fake planted cheers? If they're black, what makes them plants? Aren't they plain black supporters then?

Show it to us. Let's see its quality.

 

[fskimospy]

We're not on the same level. You aren't informed. I'm talking to a book-cover reader vs someone who watched 100%. I've already proven to you and others that there were CLEAR left spins and flat out lies because I watched the video. You haven't. This is just bad faith.

That is not what bad faith means. Also the video is entirely irrelevant here because as I said it contains exactly zero seconds of the audience and that’s what’s in question here.

But, I'll allow it.

1. Go ahead and share. You're hold it in like it's some kind of a playmaker card. I'll be very skeptical due to the clear spins I saw already.
2. Also we've also even talked about this. Are they white folks doing fake planted cheers? If they're black, what makes them plants? Aren't they genuine supporters?

Show it to us.

I’m not holding anything and I didn’t say anything about plants. It was a campaign event so he had campaign staff there, and the staff supports their guy. That’s entirely normal.

By the way I haven’t even looked for this evidence, the entire purpose here was to ensure if I did it wasn’t a waste of time because what usually happens is people find reasons to ignore contrary evidence once it’s provided so it’s best to get a commitment up front so they can’t do that.

To be clear though, if I provide you evidence that says it was Trump campaign staff cheering and not the black journalists in the audience you will admit to being wrong?

 

[Zeze]

That is not what bad faith means. Also the video is entirely irrelevant here because as I said it contains exactly zero seconds of the audience and that’s what’s in question here.

I’m not holding anything and I didn’t say anything about plants. It was a campaign event so he had campaign staff there, and the staff supports their guy. That’s entirely normal.

By the way I haven’t even looked for this evidence, the entire purpose here was to ensure if I did it wasn’t a waste of time because what usually happens is people find reasons to ignore contrary evidence once it’s provided so it’s best to get a commitment up front so they can’t do that.

To be clear though, if I provide you evidence that says it was Trump campaign staff cheering and not the black journalists in the audience you will admit to being wrong?

Go ahead, share. But what am I wrong about though?

IF they were plants, what was I wrong about? I posted how the crowd reactions were receptive of trump. So fake or not, you're proving my point?

LOL, you got so mad, you haven't realized what I'm talking about all along.

And oh yea, you still haven't watched the video fully. This is just me trying to explain the book to you while you yell at me and didn't read (like the fools piling on me).

 

[Zeze]

Oh wait I thought you actually had something.. LOL.

 

[fskimospy]

Go ahead, share.

Now, IF they were plants, what was I wrong about? I posted how the crowd reactions were receptive of trump. So fake or not, you're proving my point?

LOL.

Why do you keep talking about plants? Where are you getting this conspiracy theory from?

As far as proving your point you should go back and look at your OP. Can you explain why Trump’s paid staff cheering for him would prove your point?

I get that you’re angry and defensive but take a step back and look at this rationally. If the people cheering for him were people he was paying to be there how would that show that he nailed the appearance and won the audience over?

 

[fskimospy]

Regardless, if you confirm you will admit to being wrong if I can provide you evidence that the support came from Trump’s folks I’m happy to go revisit some of the people who actually attended the event who said the crowd was extremely hostile to Trump and see if they’ve spoken on this specifically.

If I do that though I don’t want to see any weaseling from you, just an admission you were wrong.

 

[Zeze]

Wrong about what? My whole point is that the crowd reacted with clear cheers/woos/laughter with him, they weren't ALL 100% complete mockery the whole 40 minutes.

Wait.. do you even know what you're mad at me for? None of what you're typing in the last 10 minutes relates to me.

 

[fskimospy]

Wrong about what?

Wait.. do you even know what you're mad at me for?

You said this appearance was a win for him and would help garner black support, based on your perception of the audience cheering for him and such. If it turns out the people cheering were his own staff then that conclusion would make no sense.

Agree?

 

[repoman0]

How unexpected that after throwing out “rabid” on page 1 that the OP is foaming at the mouth 23 pages later spending every waking minute in this thread

 

[dank69]

F: what evidence would make you change your mind?

Z: *proceeds to list evidence that helped him make up his mind thinking that's the same thing as answering F's question.*

Zeze, that isn't an answer to his question and why you continue going in circles. You think you're answering or have answered but you have not. You need to understand that fundamental difference. This is very basic logic.

We've all read your evidence for why you think the way you do on this. You keep asking people if they've watched or not, which was relevant in the beginning but is moot now because even people who have watched it in full disagree with your interpretation.

We know you heard laugher. Most claim the laughter was at him. You claim they were laughing with him. How do we settle this difference of opinion? You say just watching the video is enough to convince someone you are right but that has failed to produce the result you desire, so you claim everyone else is using motivated reasoning and you're not.

How do you know you aren't just misinterpreting what you're hearing? When people ask you this you fall back to how successful you are. Donald is orders of magnitude more successful than you. Would you agree that means he can interpret audience reactions better than you?

And remember, everyone watching the video has the disadvantage of not seeing the audience, including you. You have no way of seeing who is laughing. Please describe the difference between the sound of people laughing at someone vs. with someone. Please describe the difference between the sound of Trump's entourage cheering vs. the sound of the journalists cheering. I need to know how you are able to tell where the cheers are coming from before I watch the video so I am able to do the same. I don't want to fall into the same trap everyone else is. I want to observe the true Zeze experience.

 

[Brainonska511]

How unexpected that after throwing out “rabid” on page 1 that the OP is foaming at the mouth 23 pages later spending every waking minute in this thread

For "not a Trump supporter", he sure is playing a lot of defense for a piss-poor live interview of Trump.

 

[fskimospy]

F: what evidence would make you change your mind?

Z: *proceeds to list evidence that helped him make up his mind thinking that's the same thing as answering F's question.*

Zeze, that isn't an answer to his question and why you continue going in circles. You think you're answering or have answered but you have not. You need to understand that fundamental difference. This is very basic logic.

We've all read your evidence for why you think the way you do on this. You keep asking people if they've watched or not, which was relevant in the beginning but is moot now because even people who have watched it in full disagree with your interpretation.

We know you heard laugher. Most claim the laughter was at him. You claim they were laughing with him. How do we settle this difference of opinion? You say just watching the video is enough to convince someone you are right but that has failed to produce the result you desire, so you claim everyone else is using motivated reasoning and you're not.

How do you know you aren't just misinterpreting what you're hearing? When people ask you this you fall back to how successful you are. Donald is orders of magnitude more successful than you. Would you agree that means he can interpret audience reactions better than you?

And remember, everyone watching the video has the disadvantage of not seeing the audience, including you. You have no way of seeing who is laughing. Please describe the difference between the sound of people laughing at someone vs. with someone. Please describe the difference between the sound of Trump's entourage cheering vs. the sound of the journalists cheering. I need to know how you are able to tell where the cheers are coming from before I watch the video so I am able to do the same. I don't want to fall into the same trap everyone else is. I want to observe the true Zeze experience.

I think he knew perfectly well what my question was, which is why he tried so hard to avoid answering it, and why when he finally begrudgingly did made sure to leave himself with an out to still not admit he was wrong.

He’s trying to have an internet fight while I’m trying to debate. He doesn’t want a debate though.

 

[K1052]

For "not a Trump supporter", he sure is playing a lot of defense for a piss-poor live interview of Trump.

Even if you totally ignore any audience reaction whatsoever that thing was unarguably a fucking disaster. His team didn't end it halfway through because it was going well.

 

[Brainonska511]

Even if you totally ignore any audience reaction whatsoever that thing was unarguably a fucking disaster. His team didn't end it halfway through because it was going well.

It's just Boo-urns, except in real life.

 

[eelw]

Wrong about what? My whole point is that the crowd reacted with clear cheers/woos/laughter with him, they weren't ALL 100% complete mockery the whole 40 minutes.

Wait.. do you even know what you're mad at me for? None of what you're typing in the last 10 minutes relates to me.

Yeah only like 75% was in a mocking tone. Yup he’s such a winner!!!!

 

[outriding]

I have interviewed people before that have just giving up on trying on the interview that were doing better than zeze

 

[Zeze]

You said this appearance was a win for him and would help garner black support, based on your perception of the audience cheering for him and such. If it turns out the people cheering were his own staff then that conclusion would make no sense.

Agree?

Don't put words in my mouth and move the goal post.

I said the reception had clear cheers/laughter/woos.

Keep moving the goal post because you now have nothing to talk about. It's okay to leave this thread alone now.

 

[fskimospy]

Don't put words in my mouth and move the goal post.

I said the reception had clear cheers/laughter/woos.

Keep moving the goal post because you now have nothing to talk about. It's okay to leave this thread alone now.

Go read your own OP. Thats what you said.

 

[purbeast0]

LMAO this has turned into one of the dumbest threads I've read in my 25 years on AT.

I would like to thank you all for that.

 

[HomerJS]

I answered that right? It's whole another thing for them to actually pen it with their name and write against the racial anti-trump narrative. Did you ever think about that vs the immediate audience reaction? I'm writing this the Third time now.

The video is right there, in full, in my first post. You guys are literally losing your minds if you watched and assessed Trump received NOTHING but jeers & 100% mock laugh the entire whatever 30 minutes. None of you watched.

Go screw off, you're just a noise without effort.

@zinfamous What is the basis of the debate if you haven't watched it in full? Of course I'd be on your side too, because you just don't know. Your words are just based on "I haven't watched it, but out of context clips look bad, so screw you for thinking otherwise." I mean how do I argue with someone who just missing the information?

You're dimmer than I thought.

I did watch it. Your problem you can’t interpret laughing AT someone vs laughing WITH someone. You see laughter as if Trump is doing standup or is genuinely funny. You are the only one who interprets Trump as a funny guy VS “I can believe he said that”laugh.

The people in the room confirm it and people here confirm it. You are that last Japanese soldier hiding in the bushes who still thinks Hirohito didn’t surrender.

 

[hal2kilo]

Don't feed the troll.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Don't feed the troll.

After watching the thread play out, I’m having trouble thinking this is anything else

/unwatch

 

[brycejones]

After watching the thread play out, I’m having trouble thinking this is anything else

I don’t think the op is a troll just really really shocked no one else interpreted events the same way they did and for whatever reason they are fundamentally unable to wrap their head around that.