Trump has a live convo with National Asso. of Black Journalists in Chicago - and he actually nails it.

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I’ve asked this several times and gotten no answer. If Trump was killing it and winning over the audience, especially one expected to be hostile to him, that would be a great campaign moment for him that they would want to continue as long as possible.

@Zeze - if your interpretation of the event is correct why did Trump’s staff cut the interview short by nearly half?

It was obvious. The laughing at him and increased negative comments that Trump was responding to in the audience became too much. It was a trainwreck. And they pulled the plug the very second they brought up Project 2025.

Even Fox News said it was a trainwreck and the audience was hostile.
 
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Yes, his post was flat out called stupid in post 4. Post 2 and 3 both implied he was trolling, along with a few more posts right after 4. Let's not pretend people were being civil.
Correct, his post was called stupid, but that is different from an ad hominem attack. 2 and 3 were indeed questions as to whether he was trolling, because the argument was pretty absurd and I suspect the posters were curious if it was meant to be sarcastic or not. Once it was established that the OP was indeed serious, then the serious critiques of the argument came in. OP didn't care for that.

Everything was very civil until OP decided to not be.
 
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It was obvious. The laughing at him and increased negative comments that Trump was responding to in the audience became too much. It was a trainwreck. And they pulled the plug the very second they brought up Project 2025
I might as well go all the way with devil's advocate: maybe Trump said if you bring up Project 2025 he walks, and that's why they immediately pulled him, not because he was being harassed. That doesn't account for all the first hand accounts that say it was going bad for him though.
 

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It was obvious. The laughing at him and increased negative comments that Trump was responding to in the audience became too much. It was a trainwreck. And they pulled the plug the very second they brought up Project 2025
Yes, the simplest answer is the most likely one - they ended the interview because it was going badly. I have not seen a single piece of evidence from anyone at the event that would indicate otherwise.
 

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Correct, his post was called stupid, but that is different from an ad hominem attack. 2 and 3 were indeed questions as to whether he was trolling, because the argument was pretty absurd and I suspect the posters were curious if it was meant to be sarcastic or not. Once it was established that the OP was indeed serious, then the serious critiques of the argument came in. OP didn't care for that.

Everything was very civil until OP decided to not be.
Yeah he responded to tone. I don't know what else to tell you.
 

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I might as well go all the way with devil's advocate: maybe Trump said if you bring up Project 2025 he walks, and that's why they immediately pulled him, not because he was being harassed. That doesn't account for all the first hand accounts that say it was going bad for him though.
Is there a single, solitary piece of evidence that indicates this? We even have statements from those involved in making terms for the interview with Trump and to the best of my knowledge none of them said that.

I mean maybe he ended it early because his diaper was full and there was about to be an overflow situation. There’s an equal amount of evidence for that.
 

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Yes, the simplest answer is the most likely one - they ended the interview because it was going badly. I have not seen a single piece of evidence from anyone at the event that would indicate otherwise.
Did you watch the opening where Trump said, "You started thirty minutes late and told me Kamala would be here. But then you said she now wasn't, we'll do zoom. Now she's not even here in zoom and we're late." The 'nasty' host just conceded and took it.

The staffers maybe thought it was enough.

I feel like I'm the only no lifer that watched the whole thing, and few of you are just raging with the media reporting. Yea, the stuff he said was dumb - as usual. But he drew SMALL BUT CLEAR applauses and woo's throughout the appearance to my surprise. That has been my point all along and I posted it.

You're gonna deny me what I saw and heard with my own eyes and ears?

Again, how many replying here watched from the opening to close?
 
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TRUMP SPEAKS AT NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLACK JOURNALISTS CONFERENCE IN CHICAGO

Here is a time-marked start where Trump walked in:


He faced a very hard question right from the start - "You've held dinners with white supremacists, you called several politicians of color to go back where they came from, and you called Kamala a DEI hire, what do you have to say to this audience?" He completely dodged it by saying how nasty the host was when he made an effort to be a guest. He actually drew laughter and applause from the audience. This mofo actually dodged it completely.

I do not like him. But I watched the whole 30 minutes or whatever. He was actually... endearing (wtf?), and drew laughter and cheers (yes cheers) from the audience consistently.

At the end his central messages were: Illegal immigrants are coming to take your black jobs too + ill use our large oil to drive down inflation, don't mind EVs + the waterpot black lady police killing "looked very bad" + Biden made inflation.

He kept on going back to the moderator with the 'nasty question' how she was late to the event, her equipment didn't work, NUMEROUS times throughout the debate and the crowd laughed every time. She just sat there defeated because she couldn't be louder than the guest, I guess.

The whole thing was closed by drawing a nice applause and cheers.

Damn I was surprised. He actually handled himself well. That appearance was a win for him and for the garnering black support.

You appear to have a wholly different take than the majority of people who watched the interview. Maybe rethink your take on it.
 

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Yeah he responded to tone. I don't know what else to tell you.
OP? OP did not respond to tone, he was lashing out from people not agreeing with him. He didn't lead with 'well see I thought such and such and this and that, I didn't see what you saw, tell me more about your interpretation'. It went immediately to ad homnem.
 

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Is there a single, solitary piece of evidence that indicates this? We even have statements from those involved in making terms for the interview with Trump and to the best of my knowledge none of them said that.

I mean maybe he ended it early because his diaper was full and there was about to be an overflow situation. There’s an equal amount of evidence for that.
None. That's why I said maybe.
 

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OP? OP did not respond to tone, he was lashing out from people not agreeing with him. He didn't lead with 'well see I thought such and such and this and that, I didn't see what you saw, tell me more about your interpretation'. It went immediately to ad homnem.
Yup calling the pile on as an echo chamber. And telling us to ignore what we saw and only accept a few approval cheers and laughs as a successful event. And while yes I do think the OP is voting Harris, but one doth protest too much by repeating he doesn’t support the orange monkey.
 
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Did you watch the opening where Trump said, "You started thirty minutes late and told me Kamala would be here. But then you said she now wasn't, we'll do zoom. Now she's not even here in zoom and we're late." The 'nasty' host just conceded and took it.

The staffers maybe thought it was enough.
So the sum total of your evidence is a statement by the world’s most notorious liar that doesn’t say anything about leaving early.

That’s not evidence.
I feel like I'm the only no lifer that watched the whole thing, and few of you are just raging with the media reporting. Yea, the stuff he said was dumb - as usual. But he clearly drew applauses and woo's throughout the appearance to my surprise. That has been my point all along and I posted it.

You're gonna me what I saw and heard with my eyes?
You already admitted you have no idea who was cheering or laughing and just assumed it was the audience of black journalists and not Trump’s paid staff. By your own admission you didn’t see what you are claiming and just guessed.

This is also a test of common sense. Do you really think the most likely answer as to who was cheering when he talked shit about journalists were…journalists?
 
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Did you watch the opening where Trump said, "You started thirty minutes late and told me Kamala would be here. But then you said she now wasn't, we'll do zoom. Now she's not even here in zoom and we're late." The 'nasty' host just conceded and took it.

It started late because the Trump team demanded the NABJ not do real time fact checking. His OWN team and the NAJB both have said that.
 

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You already admitted you have no idea who was cheering or laughing and just assumed it was the audience of black journalists and not Trump’s paid staff. By your own admission you didn’t see what you are claiming and just guessed.
What on earth are you talking about? What proof do you have that the cheering and laughing together was entirely from the non-black audience of trump camp? What proof do YOU have?

I said, yes, if I were to bet my money on it, I think they were authentic.

Your kind of thinking is dangerous. It's the same pattern as the other poster now calling me 'weird' because I'm a Republican now apparently.
 

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Op is so weird.
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OP? OP did not respond to tone, he was lashing out from people not agreeing with him. He didn't lead with 'well see I thought such and such and this and that, I didn't see what you saw, tell me more about your interpretation'. It went immediately to ad homnem.
Post 8: You need to have your head examined. 100% ad hominem.
 

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What on earth are you talking about? What proof do you have that the cheering and laughing together was entirely from the non-black audience of trump camp? What proof do YOU have?

I said, yes, if I were to bet my money on it, I think they were authentic.
The burden of proof is on the person making the claim, which is you. As of right now all contemporaneous accounts of the event I am aware of from people who were actually there and not watching a video that didn't show the crowd say the crowd was extremely hostile. The sum total of your evidence is that some people in the room who you cannot identify cheered and therefore this means Trump won over an audience of black journalists by making racist comments and denigrating their profession.

I think what would help bolster your position is if you could find a single, solitary person who was actually there and not affiliated with the Trump campaign who shares your interpretation. Can you provide that?
Your kind of thinking is dangerous. It's the same pattern as the other poster now calling me 'weird' because I'm a Republican now apparently.
Pointing out flaws in your reasoning is not 'dangerous'. You have to be able to accept criticism.
 
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now that we have the gift of hindsight...NABJ just did the country a massive favor by letting trump humiliate himself in such an unbelievable way. there was a lot of controversy over his invitation, even though there is a history of inviting Presidents or candidates to the convention. But to have trump in a place where he's not gonna get softballed and not going to be given a free pass on his bullshit? That's priceless. If that were the intention by inviting him, that's a genius move.
 

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In at least one way this was a win for Trump, no one is talking about the 'Crazy Cat Lady' thing now.

This is Trump in a nutshell, he says so many offensive and outrageous things that we don't get time to really process one and decide what to do about it before he has moved on to the next. Any one of these things would be career ending for pretty much any other politician (or most any other public persona) but Trump is managing to Gish gallop the entire country in real time.
 
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now that we have the gift of hindsight...NABJ just did the country a massive favor by letting trump humiliate himself in such an unbelievable way. there was a lot of controversy over his invitation, even though there is a history of inviting Presidents or candidates to the convention. But to have trump in a place where he's not gonna get softballed and not going to be given a free pass on his bullshit? That's priceless. If that were the intention by inviting him, that's a genius move.
Hey an actual post about the event!

Agreed. Of course, Trump thinks he aced it, and his supporters do to. Apparently some Democrats do as well, ok. I don't see it that way at all. If he keeps putting himself out there for actual pointed questions, he looks and sounds like the rambling grumpy old racist that he is. As far as gaining black voters from this--I'd be shocked. I hope he keeps signing up for stuff like this.
 

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Hey an actual post about the event!

Agreed. Of course, Trump thinks he aced it, and his supporters do to. Apparently some Democrats do as well, ok. I don't see it that way at all. If he keeps putting himself out there for actual pointed questions, he looks and sounds like the rambling grumpy old racist that he is. As far as gaining black voters from this--I'd be shocked. I hope he keeps signing up for stuff like this.
I don't think Trump thinks he aced it, he's just running the same play he runs for literally everything, which is to claim it was the best ever.

I doubt his supporters think he aced it either, they are simply perfectly happy to go along with his lies.
 

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now that we have the gift of hindsight...NABJ just did the country a massive favor by letting trump humiliate himself in such an unbelievable way. there was a lot of controversy over his invitation, even though there is a history of inviting Presidents or candidates to the convention. But to have trump in a place where he's not gonna get softballed and not going to be given a free pass on his bullshit? That's priceless. If that were the intention by inviting him, that's a genius move.
But like everything else, it will be forgotten in a few days
 
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