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Trump claims Biden's America will be violent and lawless

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Trump is a reactionary, pure and simple.

MAGA slogan paints him a classic reactionary:

from Wikipedia:

In political science, a reactionary or reactionist is a person or entity holding political views that favour a return to a previous political state of society that they believe possessed positive characteristics that are absent in contemporary society.
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He has no interest in truth, his only concern is how people react to him. He's into mind manipulation. It's why he's constantly watching TV and tweeting. He's a phenomenon. If you are mesmerized by your television, you're his game. You are his pigeon.

He got that power because the American system of government handed him a 4 year contract. We'd do well to deny him another such contract. He's poison for the USA. Or do you want to live in a deluded land?

To understand the world one must not be worrying about one's self. -Albert Einstein

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He also said a plane load of dark thugs flew into DC to disrupt RNC convention.

If you apply projection he's referring to agent provocateurs' like umbrella man dressed in black attempting to foment violence, except they are right wingers.
 
dawp said:
if what trump says is mostly projection......

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The man is mentally ill. He's gonna continue to be a conjurer, try to fuck with people's minds. He wants you to imagine what he imagines. It's all in the service of himself. You look at the things he's said and you realize his grasp on reality is pathetic.

To understand the world one must not be worrying about one's self. -Albert Einstein

63 days until the big one! Vote... vote early, vote Democratic!
 
Muse said:
The man is mentally ill. He's gonna continue to be a conjurer, try to fuck with people's minds. He wants you to imagine what he imagines. It's all in the service of himself. You look at the things he's said and you realize his grasp on reality is pathetic.

To understand the world one must not be worrying about one's self. -Albert Einstein

63 days until the big one! Vote... vote early, vote Democratic!
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He just makes it up as he goes along, a constant barrage of conspiracy theory, lies & misinformation.
 
fskimospy said:
If harsher punishments are the answer why do you think America’s crime rate is so much higher than other developed countries despite having some of the harshest criminal penalties in the world?
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Something, something, American exceptionalism, argle-bargle...
 
fskimospy said:
If harsher punishments are the answer why do you think America’s crime rate is so much higher than other developed countries despite having some of the harshest criminal penalties in the world?
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The problem with the idea that harsher penalties will prevent people from committing crimes has one major problem: It assumes that most crimes are rationally conceived and thoughtfully planned. They are not. most crimes are acts of emotion. They are done from frustration or anger, despair or desperation. Almost no one committing crimes have thought out the consequences of getting caught beforehand.

Committing an act of crime is a lot like smoking a cigarette. Every smoker knows that shit is going to kill them. They all know it is bad for them, but we all think that this cigarette will not be the one that does it, and we just keep doing it until a doctor gives us that bad news. Then we swear we will quit, and some do. Others fight it for a bit, and ultimately decide that the damage is done, what could one more matter.

Notice how none of this is logical, it is all emotional thinking. When we let our feelings do the thinking we can justify almost anything.
 
fskimospy said:
If harsher punishments are the answer why do you think America’s crime rate is so much higher than other developed countries despite having some of the harshest criminal penalties in the world?
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You thinkbwe have harshest penalties. Then I guess you are blind deaf and..... other countries put you in prison for life for drugs or put you to death. Does America do that with our "harshest penalties"? FUNNY
 
SMOGZINN said:
The problem with the idea that harsher penalties will prevent people from committing crimes has one major problem: It assumes that most crimes are rationally conceived and thoughtfully planned. They are not. most crimes are acts of emotion. They are done from frustration or anger, despair or desperation. Almost no one committing crimes have thought out the consequences of getting caught beforehand.

Committing an act of crime is a lot like smoking a cigarette. Every smoker knows that shit is going to kill them. They all know it is bad for them, but we all think that this cigarette will not be the one that does it, and we just keep doing it until a doctor gives us that bad news. Then we swear we will quit, and some do. Others fight it for a bit, and ultimately decide that the damage is done, what could one more matter.

Notice how none of this is logical, it is all emotional thinking. When we let our feelings do the thinking we can justify almost anything.
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You know what every criminal thinks?? Amazing! Crimes of passion but wait they committed the same crime 100x they must be so passionate
 
killster1 said:
You thinkbwe have harshest penalties. Then I guess you are blind deaf and..... other countries put you in prison for life for drugs or put you to death. Does America do that with our "harshest penalties"? FUNNY
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No because the private prison complex and it's suppliers wouldn't be able to make a living then. Are you in favor of thousands out of work? /s

Not to mention, what about the innocent that are wrongly convicted?

You really don't think anything through do you?
 
fskimospy said:
Trump did not send federal troops to take back a federal building after people tried to set up an autonomous zone, no. That’s entirely made up.
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Something happened.

www.theguardian.com

Federal agents show stronger force at Portland protests despite order to withdraw

Oregon’s governor announced ‘Trump’s troops are leaving’ on Wednesday, but the forces made it clear they did not intend to go quietly
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Maybe "take back a federal building" was a bit of an exaggeration. Maybe "take back the area around a federal building" is more accurate.
 
killster1 said:
You thinkbwe have harshest penalties. Then I guess you are blind deaf and..... other countries put you in prison for life for drugs or put you to death. Does America do that with our "harshest penalties"? FUNNY
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We have among the harshest penalties in the developed world, yes.

So again, can you explain why our crime rates are higher than most other developed countries despite harsher punishments? Doesn’t that indicate your theory is wrong?
 
Ken g6 said:
Something happened.

www.theguardian.com

Federal agents show stronger force at Portland protests despite order to withdraw

Oregon’s governor announced ‘Trump’s troops are leaving’ on Wednesday, but the forces made it clear they did not intend to go quietly
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Maybe "take back a federal building" was a bit of an exaggeration. Maybe "take back the area around a federal building" is more accurate.
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Ken g6 said:
Something happened.

www.theguardian.com

Federal agents show stronger force at Portland protests despite order to withdraw

Oregon’s governor announced ‘Trump’s troops are leaving’ on Wednesday, but the forces made it clear they did not intend to go quietly
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Maybe "take back a federal building" was a bit of an exaggeration. Maybe "take back the area around a federal building" is more accurate.
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Take back the area is also wrong as no one was trying to set up an autonomous zone there.

Basically it was just militarized federal law enforcement attacking protesters because Trump thinks chaos and unrest helps his election chances.
 
killster1 said:
You know what every criminal thinks?? Amazing! Crimes of passion but wait they committed the same crime 100x they must be so passionate
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And you do? multiple studies have shown us pretty clearly that neither crime rates nor recidivism are well correlated with punishment.

The effects of punishment on recidivism

In the mid-1970s, there was a noticeable shift in criminal justice policy in the United States, and less markedly in Canada.
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The overall findings showed that harsher criminal justice sanctions had no deterrent effect on recidivism. On the contrary, punishment produced a slight (3%) increase in recidivism. These findings were consistent across subgroups of offenders (adult/youth, male/female, white/minority).
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Fifty studies dating from 1958 involving 336,052 offenders produced 325 correlations between recidivism and (a) length of time in prison and recidivism or (b) serving a prison sentence vs. receiving a community-based sanction. The data was analysed using quantitative methods (i.e., meta-analysis) to determine whether prison reduced criminal behaviour or recidivism.

The results were as follows: under both of the above conditions, prison produced slight increases in recidivism. Secondly, there was some tendency for lower risk offenders to be more negatively affected by the prison experience.

The essential conclusions reached from this study were:
1. Prisons should not be used with the expectation of reducing criminal behaviour.
2. On the basis of the present results, excessive use of incarceration has enormous cost implications.
3. In order to determine who is being adversely affected by prison, it is incumbent upon prison officials to implement repeated, comprehensive assessments of offenders’ attitudes, values, and behaviours while incarcerated.
4. The primary justification of prison should be to incapacitate offenders (particularly, those of a chronic, higher risk nature) for reasonable periods and to exact retribution.
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Moonbeam said:
Libertarian liberals do not know how to deal with violence and lawlessness. They oppose violent repression which is exactly how violence has always and naturally feels like it should be dealt with. People, then, instinctively do not trust and tar all liberals as being weak on crime. That leaves us with finding attractive as a means to deal with lawlessness and crime in society authoritarian ideas from the left or the right. Jail the fascists, jail the communists, it all of a piece.

Progressive Democrats fail to message properly that the way to deal with crime is to actually deal with both the crime and what causes it in society. The answer to homelessness, and all the crime that goes with it, is to institutionalize the homeless in health recovery facilities off the streets and to deal with the capitalist crisis that creates huge disparities in of income and joblessness. We need to lock up criminals and provide scientifically proven effective means to return them safely to the streets, psychological and educational help, trade skills being high on the list. A dignified and government guaranteed path to the pursuit of honest happiness must be available for all citizens. Only those who act out despite these security measures should ever see real jail time. Dangerous people should not be allowed to wreak havoc on the streets nor should they be returned to society intending to do more harm. Nothing is perfect but only highly trained and skilled people should be allowed to make that evaluation. Prison should be a place where bad people provide goods to better the lives of poor people. Every means possible should be offered for people in prison to care for others including tending to gardens and animals.
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It can be done and it is but you need a partnership with people that understand that in the business world and government working together,

of course the 1% has to be willing to share some of that wealth instead of outsourcing for higher profit margins at the expense of America.

 
I mean... during trumps time it seemed like every day was something crazy violent happening in america that needed society to stand up and protest

the shooting in a school in florida
the shooting of the newpaper in virginia
the shooting in a synagogue in pittsburgh
the shooting of the walmart in el epaso
the plot to blow up an immigrant apartment building in like kansas
bombs in the mail from a trump supporter living in florida
the lady that got run over by a trump supporter and killed during a peaceful protest
Nazi's openly rioting in the streets

Just off the top of my head of violence and lack of law and order in trumps america. Why does anyone think these things will suddenly get better with another 4 years of this guy?
 
killster1 said:
You thinkbwe have harshest penalties. Then I guess you are blind deaf and..... other countries put you in prison for life for drugs or put you to death. Does America do that with our "harshest penalties"? FUNNY
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Which developed countries put you to death for drug offences?
 
HomerJS said:
Trump blames Biden and Democratic Governors and Mayors. I have one question...?

Why didn't we have the same proliferation of violence, riots and lawlessness during the 8 years of Obama/Biden? The same Democratic Governors and Mayor were in charge of cities during the same time period
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Because there wasn’t a global pandemic during an election year adding to the tension. We didn’t have widespread unrest during the first three years of Trump.

Ferguson and Occupy Wall Street both happened under Obama.
 
SMOGZINN said:
The problem with the idea that harsher penalties will prevent people from committing crimes has one major problem: It assumes that most crimes are rationally conceived and thoughtfully planned. They are not. most crimes are acts of emotion. They are done from frustration or anger, despair or desperation. Almost no one committing crimes have thought out the consequences of getting caught beforehand.

Committing an act of crime is a lot like smoking a cigarette. Every smoker knows that shit is going to kill them. They all know it is bad for them, but we all think that this cigarette will not be the one that does it, and we just keep doing it until a doctor gives us that bad news. Then we swear we will quit, and some do. Others fight it for a bit, and ultimately decide that the damage is done, what could one more matter.

Notice how none of this is logical, it is all emotional thinking. When we let our feelings do the thinking we can justify almost anything.
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This is spot on. And it's why the obsession with finding a "motive" for crimes almost always strikes me as insane. The great majority of these crimes they're trying to find a motive for have no thought out motive. Very few people are so logically constructed mentally. Crimes happen, but they are usually not thought out. Sometimes some "planning" is involved, but even that typically is haphazard. People say, well, if he didn't have a gun, he would have done it with a knife. Maybe, but having that gun made it a lot easier. Use of the word "motive" is a sign that the person using it has a terrible understanding of human nature.
 
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