Trump campaign officials, led by Rudy Giuliani, oversaw fake electors plot in 7 states

[darkswordsman17]

Bitch tells truth, gets roasted by peers, then of course says she’s voting for the tangerine terrorist.

‘The claims are just outrageous’: Republican ex-governor condemns Arizona election lies | US politics | The Guardian

Why do you think doubting election results has become such a sticking point, especially for Republicans in recent years? Why is it still lingering?

Well, I think because they want to win. They want to be the winner, so if they can’t win the election, then they want to say that it was stolen from them.

I like how she's like "both sides!" and then when asked if she can ever remember it being this bad "no, no, never, no". Uh...then its not both sides you dumbfuckinidiot.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Trump co-defendant Jeff Clark barred from practicing law after fake elector charges

The Washington D.C. Bar Association has suspended former acting Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Clark from practicing law for two years, Politico's Kyle Cheney reported Thursday. According to the findings Cheney posted from the Bar's Board on Professional Responsibility, Clark was charged...

www.rawstory.com

Only two years off from practicing law, shame it isn’t more

 

[zinfamous]

Trump co-defendant Jeff Clark barred from practicing law after fake elector charges

The Washington D.C. Bar Association has suspended former acting Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Clark from practicing law for two years, Politico's Kyle Cheney reported Thursday. According to the findings Cheney posted from the Bar's Board on Professional Responsibility, Clark was charged...

www.rawstory.com

Only two years off from practicing law, shame it isn’t more

can you imagine your CV reading like this, in part:

Former Acting Assistant Attorney General of the US.
disbarment, District of Columbia, 2024-2026

 

[ch33zw1z]

can you imagine your CV reading like this, in part:

Former Acting Assistant Attorney General of the US.
disbarment, District of Columbia, 2024-2026

Sounds bad, but plenty of swamp to work in

 

[HomerJS]

That's a fundamental change to the constitution, and one I disagree with. The EC is what gives the less populous states a say in the presidential election. Without the EC, a handful of states would determine the outcome of every election, negating the entire concept of a republic.
The people don't elect the president, the states do.
Clearly recent elections have come down to a few swing states, but that's a demographic blip that could, and does, change.

Right now we have minority rule. Ask South Africa how that turned out.

BTW are you going to answer the following

Still waiting for @Greenman to tell us how the conversation would go with his 12 year old daughter/niece/cousin telling her he supports a sexual assaulter vs the person who put them in prison.

"When you grow up you may just have to tolerate a powerful man putting his hand down your pants to further a greater agenda". Is that the lesson you would teach her?

Is that how the conversation would go?

 

[skyking]

Sounds bad, but plenty of swamp to work in

Yes, sell it as "experience in swamp work"

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Sounds bad, but plenty of swamp to work in

Yes there is GOOD and BAD on #BOTHSIDES.

 

[Greenman]

Right now we have minority rule. Ask South Africa how that turned out.

BTW are you going to answer the following



Is that how the conversation would go?

The states elect the president, not the people. I think it was, and still is, a good way to maintain a balance of power across the republic. That condition is balanced by states rights, so state A isn't completely controlled by state B.

I forget what your other rape fantasy is all about, but I'm not participating.

 

[K1052]

The states elect the president, not the people. I think it was, and still is, a good way to maintain a balance of power across the republic. That condition is balanced by states rights, so state A isn't completely controlled by state B.

The electoral college was a sop to slaveholding states for outsized political power and when it eventually failed at that purpose due to demographic changes they started a war.

 

[dank69]

The states elect the president, not the people. I think it was, and still is, a good way to maintain a balance of power across the republic. That condition is balanced by states rights, so state A isn't completely controlled by state B.

I forget what your other rape fantasy is all about, but I'm not participating.

Yeah great system. No matter how you vote or don't vote, the outcome will not be changed. People in swing states get to decide the direction of the entire country. Fantastic.

 

[K1052]

Yeah great system. No matter how you vote or don't vote, the outcome will not be changed. People in swing states get to decide the direction of the entire country. Fantastic.

There really is no reason not to move to a PV only for the executive. People think the EC protects smaller states somehow when everybody camps out in places like Pennsylvania and Michigan for the duration. All it does is reward electorally close states with excessive power over the rest of the country.

 

[fskimospy]

The states elect the president, not the people. I think it was, and still is, a good way to maintain a balance of power across the republic. That condition is balanced by states rights, so state A isn't completely controlled by state B.

I forget what your other rape fantasy is all about, but I'm not participating.

Yeah I'm not sure how many times you need to be reminded that the electoral college was established to protect slavery.

United States Electoral College - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So the people who made the electoral college disagree with you - do you know something about US history they didn't?

 

[K1052]

Yeah I'm not sure how many times you need to be reminded that the electoral college was established to protect slavery.

United States Electoral College - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So the people who made the electoral college disagree with you - do you know something about US history they didn't?

I'm always bemused by people who lie to me that they like the EC because it's good for (incorrect) nebulous reasons when we both know they like it because it favors them politically at this time.

 

[fskimospy]

There really is no reason not to move to a PV only for the executive. People think the EC protects smaller states somehow when everybody camps out in places like Pennsylvania and Michigan for the duration. All it does is reward electorally close states with excessive power over the rest of the country.

It's such a weird and dumb argument because you can see that the whole 'protect the interests of smaller states' isn't true by simply looking at the behavior of candidates in literally every fucking presidential election. It's demonstrable nonsense.

Do they campaign in Rhode Island? No. Do they campaign in Wyoming? No. As you say, they campaign in PA and Michigan, which are not small states. Before they went red they used to campaign in Florida and Ohio. If you look at the list of swing states campaigns spend nearly all their time in every single one is in the top half of population except for Nevada.

So if the EC is protecting small states why do people attempting to become president ignore the small states? @Greenman - any thoughts?

 

[K1052]

It's such a weird and dumb argument because you can see that the whole 'protect the interests of smaller states' isn't true by simply looking at the behavior of candidates in literally every fucking presidential election. It's demonstrable nonsense.

Do they campaign in Rhode Island? No. Do they campaign in Wyoming? No. As you say, they campaign in PA and Michigan, which are not small states. Before they went red they used to campaign in Florida and Ohio. If you look at the list of swing states campaigns spend nearly all their time in every single one is in the top half of population except for Nevada.

So if the EC is protecting small states why do people attempting to become president ignore the small states? @Greenman - any thoughts?

Not to mention this is literally the purpose of the Senate where North Dakota wields the same political power as California.

 

[ivwshane]

The states elect the president, not the people. I think it was, and still is, a good way to maintain a balance of power across the republic. That condition is balanced by states rights, so state A isn't completely controlled by state B.

I forget what your other rape fantasy is all about, but I'm not participating.

Lol tell me you don’t know how the electoral college works without telling me you don’t know how the electoral college works.

Electoral college members (electors) are picked by the party and then they officially become electors when their candidate wins the general.

What you described is called the senate where each state is given equal power despite its size.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm always bemused by people who lie to me that they like the EC because it's good for (incorrect) nebulous reasons when we both know they like it because it favors them politically at this time.

Exactly. I wish Republicans would just come out and say they like the electoral college because without it they would have won exactly one presidential election since 1988.

 

[fskimospy]

Not to mention this is literally the purpose of the Senate where North Dakota wields the same political power as California.

It's also funny when people talk about making DC and Puerto Rico states conservatives shriek about how that's basically packing the federal government in favor of liberals but they never seem to wonder why two Dakotas exist.

 

[brycejones]

The states elect the president, not the people. I think it was, and still is, a good way to maintain a balance of power across the republic. That condition is balanced by states rights, so state A isn't completely controlled by state B.

I forget what your other rape fantasy is all about, but I'm not participating.

It's ok your buddy Trump does the raping for you. You just approve of his rape.

As for the state rights bit its the senate that does that. Small states have vastly outsized power in the senate. It's long past time to move to a popular vote for President. Force candidates to run on policies that can garner a majority of votes across the country.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The electoral college was a sop to slaveholding states for outsized political power and when it eventually failed at that purpose due to demographic changes they started a war.

I am more of a believer in our early elections had many candidates over multiple states. Every name was not on the ballot and I believe some places were as simple as write a name on this piece of paper.
We like to think people of the early republic took voting hyper seriously but they didn’t. People would write stuff that couldn’t be read and I have heard Jesus received a lot of votes.
They needed a body to interpret what people actually wrote down. Wether it’s deciding which “Andrew Jackson” they voted for.

 

[APU_Fusion]

It's ok your buddy Trump does the raping for you. You just approve of his rape.

As for the state rights bit its the senate that does that. Small states have vastly outsized power in the senate. It's long past time to move to a popular vote for President. Force candidates to run on policies that can garner a majority of votes across the country.

Greenman is rather gross. He wouldn’t answer when asked if he would be upset if Trump raped his daughter but she only came forward years later in another thread. His position rather than denouncing Trump was he would wish the victim of rape would come forward sooner. He ran and never answered Homer or my questions to clarify his seeming denial Trump is a rapist (according to judge in the civil case against him)

I mean how dare Carroll come forward years later and how dare the judge state Trump raped her and how dare Trump be found guilty of slander. It was years later so it doesn’t count right Greenman?

 

[fskimospy]

Greenman is rather gross. He wouldn’t answer when asked if he would be upset if Trump raped his daughter but she only came forward years later in another thread. His position rather than denouncing Trump was he would wish the victim of rape would come forward sooner. He ran and never answered Homer or my questions to clarify his seeming denial Trump is a rapist (according to judge in the civil case against him)

I mean how dare Carroll come forward years later and how dare the judge state Trump raped her and how dare Trump be found guilty of slander. It was years later so it doesn’t count right Greenman?

The reason he won't answer is there is no good answer. He doesn't like rape and he doesn't like coups but he does like Trump, so in order to rationalize voting for Trump Greenman has to convince himself that Trump didn't rape anyone and didn't attempt a coup. One of the ways to do that is to cast doubt about Carroll's story so he can at least say to himself there's no way to know.

 

[HomerJS]

The states elect the president, not the people. I think it was, and still is, a good way to maintain a balance of power across the republic. That condition is balanced by states rights, so state A isn't completely controlled by state B.

I forget what your other rape fantasy is all about, but I'm not participating.

I circled back to your comment of still being in CAmp Trump. I then asked how you justify that to your 12 year old daughter/niece cousin since Trump is a sexual assaulter by his own admission and libel by courts.

Since you are too much of a coward to answer I will just note that and move on.

 

[iRONic]

“lt is a great system, and I consider myself lucky to have been born in this time and this place.”

 

[APU_Fusion]

I circled back to your comment of still being in CAmp Trump. I then asked how you justify that to your 12 year old daughter/niece cousin since Trump is a sexual assaulter by his own admission and libel by courts.

Since you are too much of a coward to answer I will just note that and move on.

Yes. He is coward. Sad that he loves a rapist so much but time to move on. I am sure we are on his ignore list at this point.