Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US

[QuantumPion]

With the tremendous amount of historical documentation available, it is literally amazing how you could not possibly be more wrong about what the Founding Fathers knew, and what their intentions were.

My post was sarcasm in case you didn't realize. I was just using the exact same arguments and logic as people that want to repeal the 2nd amendment/ban guns use.

 

[Homerboy]

With the tremendous amount of historical documentation available, it is literally amazing how you could not possibly be more wrong about what the Founding Fathers knew, and what their intentions were.
Religious extremism, including Islamic, absolutely existed when the Constitution was written. This is not something new.
As for government intervention to prevent 'cultural takeover,' they would not have supported that at all. And back then, it wasn't about 'whites' and 'Christians,' it was about English and Anglicans, with the 'cultural threats' being Germans, Irish, and Catholics.

So what did the Founding Fathers intend?
"As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality." -- George Washington

That is an awesome AWESOME quote

 

[Hugo Drax]

If they did, he would run independent and split the vote giving win to Hilary. Maybe they would rather have that.

A Hillary win is just fine for the elite establishment. She is the bailout in the unlikely even trump gets nominated.

The Koch brothers etc.. will push them to vote for Hillary.


But my prediction stands at Bush getting the nomination at the end and him winning the 2016 election.

 

[zinfamous]

The first amendment was written at a time before islamic extremism, suicide bombers, and cultural takeover by mass immigration and outbreeding us existed. If they did, the founders would have taken it into account when they wrote the first amendment. Since the times have changed, and the founders couldn't have possibly anticipated social and political forces of the future like this happening, we can interpret the constitution based on what they probably would have done. On this basis, I see no problem whatsoever interpreting the first amendment in this way to allow banning of islam or muslim immigrants because they are an imminent danger to the country.

The second amendment was written at a time when the Founding Fathers could not have possibly foreseen the existence of automatic weapons, personal and easily-concealable ordinance, and all sorts of highly effective, cheap and reliable death machines like the AK-47. At the same time, bolt action rifles and revolver pistols are still equally effective tools for killing people and defending your transient patch of land, so we must be left to interpret what the founding fathers would have done in this Brave New World. On this basis, it can only be assumed that in a world where man's capacity to exterminate itself in such an effective and brutal manner, completely unforseeable in the 18th century, the Founding Fathers would have certainly chosen to ban assault rifles and fully automatic weapons in order to protect Americans from themselves, while preserving their right to arm themselves with homestead-defending murder sticks in the form of long rifles and revolver pistols.


EDIT:

My post was sarcasm in case you didn't realize. I was just using the exact same arguments and logic as people that want to repeal the 2nd amendment/ban guns use.

Yeah, well.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Banning guns because a few idiots is like saying banning Muslims from coming into the US because of a few bad apples.

 

[HomerJS]

I'm amazed all these candidates are talking about war with ISIS and war with extremists but when asked to have a war vote Congress refuses.

Because Republicans want to throw stones at the President and not get their hands dirty with a vote.

 

[QuantumPion]

My devil's trollvocate method was too subtle for this forum apparently. :hmm:

 

[Vic]

My post was sarcasm in case you didn't realize. I was just using the exact same arguments and logic as people that want to repeal the 2nd amendment/ban guns use.

I must have missed that. My apologies.

 

[Blackjack200]

We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men — not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular. This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods to keep silent, or for those who approve. We can deny our heritage and our history, but we cannot escape responsibility for the result. There is no way for a citizen of a republic to abdicate his responsibilities.

 

[SP33Demon]

You are still woefully full of fail on this analogy and your side helping of straw man... keep digging brother since you are the only one here trying to shovel this bullshit down our throats. The CBD is very, very strong with you. It's rather sad. We will all eagerly await your next silly post and your false chest thumping anecdotes!

I'll just leave these here again for you to gnash your teeth over, doesn't it suck when Muslims are better Americans than you?

Hundreds of people in Dearborn are taking a stand against ISIS and terrorist attacks
http://www.wxyz.com/news/hundreds-o...ng-a-stand-against-isis-and-terrorist-attacks

And one from 2 weeks ago:

Dearborn rally protests ISIS
http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...11/28/dearborn-muslims-against-isis/76466230/

Muslims aren't going to just sit back and let us take their freedoms away. They are going to fight in the name of taqiyya. You probably don't even know what that is.

Still waiting for the video of the S.B. shooting. If you can't produce video, it never happened. News channels were all lying and planted the bodies. That is how stupid you sound when you dispute that groups of muslims were celebrating on rooftops for 9/11. It's undisputed that they were.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Muslims aren't going to just sit back and let us take their freedoms away. They are going to fight in the name of taqiyya. You probably don't even know what that is.

Still waiting for the video of the S.B. shooting. If you can't produce video, it never happened. News channels were all lying and planted the bodies. That is how stupid you sound when you dispute that groups of muslims were celebrating on rooftops for 9/11. It's undisputed that they were.

I always get amused by people like you. You (your type) are the first to condemn Muslims claiming they don't speak out. They don't take action against extremism. Then when they do you dismiss it by claiming taqiya. It really is a nice little ball of delusion you guys have to prevent anything getting through.

No Muslim ever that speaks out against extremism means it because... taqiya. It's a can't lose strategy.

 

[buckshot24]

Trump's time is ~over~. Won't get elected to anything now.

He's the walking dead, and just doesn't know it yet.

I thought he was done a long time ago, but nothing sticks. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Indus]

Maybe the GOP is scared of Trump because he has grabbed their base and holds the power they provide in his hands. The GOP can only blame themselves for creating this monster and now it's too powerful for them to control.

Why haven't we heard from Rience Priebus ? Doesn't the Chairman of the Republican Party have an opinion on this ?

 

[SP33Demon]

I always get amused by people like you. You (your type) are the first to condemn Muslims claiming they don't speak out. They don't take action against extremism. Then when they do you dismiss it by claiming taqiya. It really is a nice little ball of delusion you guys have to prevent anything getting through.

No Muslim ever that speaks out against extremism means it because... taqiya. It's a can't lose strategy.

Well of course it is. I didn't come up with the idea, it's in their source texts. Quite frankly they fucked themselves over by defining such a tactic (i.e. to be two-faced in order to hide your true intentions), and we don't know if they're actually obeying their book and employing it or not.

 

[SP33Demon]

Maybe the GOP is scared of Trump because he has grabbed their base and holds the power they provide in his hands. The GOP can only blame themselves for creating this monster and now it's too powerful for them to control.

Why haven't we heard from Rience Priebus ? Doesn't the Chairman of the Republican Party have an opinion on this ?

Yup, Trump holds the GOP's future in his hands. Piss him off and he runs Independent where the election will be a landslide Democrat victory. Court him and legitimately defeat him in the primaries and you get his endorsement and unify the party. I wouldn't be pissing off Trump if I were the GOP, there's still no guarantee of beating him in the primaries, let alone getting his endorsement if that happens.

 

[Subyman]

My post was sarcasm in case you didn't realize. I was just using the exact same arguments and logic as people that want to repeal the 2nd amendment/ban guns use.

It is sad how even your post, as extreme as it is, fails the sarcasm test in today's political climate. :\

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Maybe the GOP is scared of Trump because he has grabbed their base and holds the power they provide in his hands. The GOP can only blame themselves for creating this monster and now it's too powerful for them to control.

Why haven't we heard from Rience Priebus ? Doesn't the Chairman of the Republican Party have an opinion on this ?

Rience stayed in bed today with the covers over his head. He's afraid to see what happened over night.

I predict this is Rience's last go round he seems to want change that nobody else wants.

 

[Exophase]

Not seeing the downside of Trump's proposal.

This policy would hurt many people. Citizens would no longer be able to be visited by Muslim relatives/friends/etc who live in other countries. They may not even be able to leave the country. And they would be further tormented in their daily lives thanks to a policy that legitimizes bigotry in the minds of many.

Companies would no longer be able to send Muslim employees for business and may choose to no sever ties with the American economy - some may not even have options of non-Muslims to send and may not even have a choice.

Countries, especially those on the visitor visa waiver list (http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/visit/visa-waiver-program.html) will see this as an act of discrimination against their Mulsim citizens. There would almost certainly be worsening foreign diplomatic relationships and it could result in actions against the US like embargoes.

The oppressed and impoverished will have no means of seeking sanctuary in this country if they are Muslim. This includes members of minority sects that are persecuted by members of majority sects. It also inevitably includes people who aren't Muslim but are mistaken for it because of how they look or ignorance of their beliefs.

When a big chunk of people's lives deteriorate everyone suffers. We lose contribution and coherence in society and we gain unrest that contributes to more social issues. And the basic violation of freedom of speech would surely erode the trust people have in the government and increase overall unhappiness and political dissent, and probably increase the frequency of violent reactionary demonstrations. The image of America would be greatly worsened in the eyes of the rest of the world and many valuable people would no longer want to have anything to do us either out of solidarity for Muslims or fear of ending up persecuted themselves. Inevitably some current citizens (both Muslims and non-Muslims) would denounce their citizenship and leave for the same reasons.

 

[Meghan54]

Muslims aren't going to just sit back and let us take their freedoms away. They are going to fight in the name of taqiyya. You probably don't even know what that is.

Still waiting for the video of the S.B. shooting. If you can't produce video, it never happened. News channels were all lying and planted the bodies. That is how stupid you sound when you dispute that groups of muslims were celebrating on rooftops for 9/11. It's undisputed that they were.

Well, still waiting for you to produce a link to any news coverage of those Muslims from Fox News.....any coverage. You'd think Fox would be replaying that coverage they had non-stop these days......yet, they aren't and haven't rebroadcast that coverage, at all. Wonder why?

 

[zinfamous]

Yup, Trump holds the GOP's future in his hands. Piss him off and he runs Independent where the election will be a landslide Democrat victory. Court him and legitimately defeat him in the primaries and you get his endorsement and unify the party. I wouldn't be pissing off Trump if I were the GOP, there's still no guarantee of beating him in the primaries, let alone getting his endorsement if that happens.

If this is true, then they are clearly doomed. Say he goes rogue and splits teh vote in a general: yes, clearly a Dem landslide.

Say he concedes and offers big support and blessing to Rubio, and the country sees the actual Trump base rallying along with the Rubio campaign stops.


....still a landslide victory for the Dems. I know people have short memories, but this is pathetic: has the party learned nothing from the horrors that Palin awoke when she rallied the racists of the base to be rather vocal for McCain?

This trump bunch appears far, far worse.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This policy would hurt many people. Citizens would no longer be able to be visited by Muslim relatives/friends/etc who live in other countries. They may not even be able to leave the country. And they would be further tormented in their daily lives thanks to a policy that legitimizes bigotry in the minds of many.

Companies would no longer be able to send Muslim employees for business and may choose to no sever ties with the American economy - some may not even have options of non-Muslims to send and may not even have a choice.

Countries, especially those on the visitor visa waiver list (http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/visit/visa-waiver-program.html) will see this as an act of discrimination against their Mulsim citizens. There would almost certainly be worsening foreign diplomatic relationships and it could result in actions against the US like embargoes.

The oppressed and impoverished will have no means of seeking sanctuary in this country if they are Muslim. This includes members of minority sects that are persecuted by members of majority sects. It also inevitably includes people who aren't Muslim but are mistaken for it because of how they look or ignorance of their beliefs.

When a big chunk of people's lives deteriorate everyone suffers. We lose contribution and coherence in society and we gain unrest that contributes to more social issues. And the basic violation of freedom of speech would surely erode the trust people have in the government and increase overall unhappiness and political dissent, and probably increase the frequency of violent reactionary demonstrations. The image of America would be greatly worsened in the eyes of the rest of the world and many valuable people would no longer want to have anything to do us either out of solidarity for Muslims or fear of ending up persecuted themselves. Inevitably some current citizens (both Muslims and non-Muslims) would denounce their citizenship and leave for the same reasons.

Not that I support the idea, being fair Trump did say there would have to be sensible exceptions for Business, Sports, Entertainment and something else.

 

[umbrella39]

Let's be honest. Obama could do everything exactly the way you want things done and you would still hate him and complain how he is fucking everything up.

That's because he is stuck on stupid and is a child who believes in the team mentality. Rah rah team!!! This is all a game to America hating cowards like him...

 

[umbrella39]

And suddenly there is a huge influx of "jewish" immigrants.

Stupid test is stupid.

You are trying to have a serious conversation with someone's ALT...

 

[Exophase]

....still a landslide victory for the Dems. I know people have short memories, but this is pathetic: has the party learned nothing from the horrors that Palin awoke when she rallied the racists of the base to be rather vocal for McCain?

Too bad McCain is so old, if he were running for the primaries now it would have taken a lot of attention away from Trump.

 

[umbrella39]

Muslims aren't going to just sit back and let us take their freedoms away. They are going to fight in the name of taqiyya. You probably don't even know what that is.

Still waiting for the video of the S.B. shooting. If you can't produce video, it never happened. News channels were all lying and planted the bodies. That is how stupid you sound when you dispute that groups of muslims were celebrating on rooftops for 9/11. It's undisputed that they were.

Just stop you poor pathetic soul. It's funny to watch you call other people stupid. Every time you post this stupidity you break the Internet. The only thing that is undisputed is your claim to the unified heavyweight stupid belt. Stop embarrassing yourself and admit, your anecdotes are not fact and run along...