Trump and Kim have now shaken hands...breaking

[K1052]

There really wasn't a threat before. The whole outrage was just fabricated imo just for a day like this. Seriously Kim doesn't want to die and if he used any nukes his country and himself would be gone. Everyone knows this.™

Maybe he's referring to the threat that he generated with his lack of self control and love of bellicose language.

I however think the general perception in the US is that the NK nuclear threat isn't resolved until they actually disarm.

 

[zinfamous]

Trumptardia has now been informed that NK has no more nukes, and Trumptardia now believes. Trumptardia is being primed for a rage storm when their Deal Leader does not win a peace prize.

 

[fskimospy]

Trumptardia has now been informed that NK has no more nukes, and Trumptardia now believes. Trumptardia is being primed for a rage storm when their Deal Leader does not win a peace prize.

It will be a sign of bias against Trump and conservatives, not a sign that conservative media lied to them yet again.

This has been a nice display of total hypocrisy on the part of conservatives and especially conservative media. Obama talks to North Korea? A naive man who is maybe in league with terrorists. Trump talks to North Korea? A historic diplomatic breakthrough or at least a highly positive first step.

It would be interesting to use the search function and see what conservatives on here have said in the past about this topic.

 

[Triloby]

Trump is on twitter claiming there is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea.

Seems a teensy bit premature to say the least...

Hmm....

....

....Nah, it's probably just a coincidence.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

There really wasn't a threat before. The whole outrage was just fabricated imo just for a day like this. Seriously Kim doesn't want to die and if he used any nukes his country and himself would be gone. Everyone knows this.™

What color is the sky in your world?

As North Korean threat grows, Hawaii prepares for nuclear attack
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-hawaii-nuke-2017-story.html


North Korea Nuclear Timeline Fast Facts
https://www.cnn.com/2013/10/29/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear-timeline---fast-facts/index.html

<snip>

2016
January 6-7 - North Korea says it has successfully conducted a hydrogen bomb test. A day after the alleged test, White House spokesman Josh Earnest says that the United States has not verified that the test was successful.

March 9 - North Korea announces that it has miniature nuclear warheads that can fit on ballistic missiles.

September 9 - North Korea claims to have detonated a nuclear warhead. According to South Korea's Meteorological Administration, the blast is estimated to have the explosive power of 10 kilotons.

2017
January 1 - In a televised address, Kim claims that North Korea could soon test an intercontinental ballistic missile.

January 8 - During an interview on "Meet the Press," Defense Secretary Ash Carter says that the military will shoot down any North Korean missile fired at the United States or any of its allies.

January 12 - A US defense official tells CNN that the military has deployed sea-based radar equipment to track long-range missile launches by North Korea.

July 4 - North Korea claims it has conducted its first successful test of an intercontinental ballistic missile, or ICBM, that can "reach anywhere in the world."

July 25 - North Korea threatens a nuclear strike on "the heart of the US" if it attempts to remove Kim as Supreme Leader, according to Pyongyang's state-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA).

August 7 - North Korea accuses the United States of "trying to drive the situation of the Korean peninsula to the brink of nuclear war" after the UN Security Council unanimously adopts new sanctions in response to Pyongyang's long-range ballistic missile tests last month.

August 9 - North Korea's military is "examining the operational plan" to strike areas around the US territory of Guam with medium-to-long-range strategic ballistic missiles, state-run news agency KCNA says. The North Korea comments are published one day after President Donald Trump warns Pyongyang that if it continues to threaten the United States, it would face "fire and fury like the world has never seen."

September 3 - North Korea carries out its sixth test of a nuclear weapon, causing a 6.3 magnitude seismic event, as measured by the United States Geological Survey. Pyongyang claims the device is a hydrogen bomb that could be mounted on an intercontinental missile. A nuclear weapons monitoring group describes the weapon as up to eight times stronger than the bomb dropped in Hiroshima in 1945. In response to the test, Trump tweets that North Korea continues to be "very hostile and dangerous to the United States." He goes on the criticize South Korea, claiming that the country is engaging in "talk of appeasement" with its neighbor to the north. He also says that North Korea is "an embarrassment to China," claiming Beijing is having little success reining in the Kim regime.

November 1 - A US official tells CNN that North Korea is working on an advanced version of its intercontinental ballistic missile that could potentially reach the United States.

November 28 - A South Korean minister says that North Korea may develop the capability to launch a nuclear weapon on a long-range ballistic missile at some point in 2018.

2018
January 2 - Trump ridicules Kim in a tweet. The president says that he has a larger and more functional nuclear button than the North Korean leader in a post on Twitter, responding to Kim's claim that he has a nuclear button on his desk.

January 10 - The White House releases a statement indicating that the Trump administration may be willing to hold talks with North Korea.

March 6 - South Korea's national security chief Chung Eui-yong says that North Korea has agreed to refrain from nuclear and missile testing while engaging in peace talks. North Korea has also expressed an openness to talk to the United States about abandoning its nuclear program, according to Chung.

March 8 - Chung, standing outside the White House, announces that Trump has accepted an invitation to meet Kim.

 

[fskimospy]

Guys why aren’t you giving Trump more credit for defusing a crisis he created?

It can’t be said enough: if Obama had acted half as irresponsibly towards North Korea as Trump has conservatives would be calling for impeachment. Instead, conservatives are shrieking about how everyone isn’t praising Trump enough for cleaning up his own mess.

 

[Thebobo]

What color is the sky in your world?

So you honestly think Kim would of given up his life just to nuke someone?

 

[interchange]

I think in principle Trump did a pretty decent job. But that's all we really have. If we can measure results with real, rigorous inspections, then I'll believe in some progress. Otherwise, I think that NK having some form of real relationship with the world and seeing any hope of westernization/reunification is good.

What concerns me most is that announcing stopping military exercises came as a surprise to the Pentagon and SK. And we don't have a clear picture of what that represents. If it is truly only military display without actual importance to defending against a possible NK attack, then I'm for it.

But overall we got a "trust me". No timetable, specifics for inspections or results, specifics on our end, etc. The exact opposite of the Iran deal. It makes it impervious to direct attack on any of its details because there are no details. Amazing how that's easier to defend than a bona fide agreement.

 

[feralkid]

What color is the sky in your world?

As North Korean threat grows, Hawaii prepares for nuclear attack
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-hawaii-nuke-2017-story.html


North Korea Nuclear Timeline Fast Facts
https://www.cnn.com/2013/10/29/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear-timeline---fast-facts/index.html

<snip>

2016
January 6-7 - North Korea says it has successfully conducted a hydrogen bomb test. A day after the alleged test, White House spokesman Josh Earnest says that the United States has not verified that the test was successful.

March 9 - North Korea announces that it has miniature nuclear warheads that can fit on ballistic missiles.

September 9 - North Korea claims to have detonated a nuclear warhead. According to South Korea's Meteorological Administration, the blast is estimated to have the explosive power of 10 kilotons.

2017
January 1 - In a televised address, Kim claims that North Korea could soon test an intercontinental ballistic missile.

January 8 - During an interview on "Meet the Press," Defense Secretary Ash Carter says that the military will shoot down any North Korean missile fired at the United States or any of its allies.

January 12 - A US defense official tells CNN that the military has deployed sea-based radar equipment to track long-range missile launches by North Korea.

July 4 - North Korea claims it has conducted its first successful test of an intercontinental ballistic missile, or ICBM, that can "reach anywhere in the world."

July 25 - North Korea threatens a nuclear strike on "the heart of the US" if it attempts to remove Kim as Supreme Leader, according to Pyongyang's state-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA).

August 7 - North Korea accuses the United States of "trying to drive the situation of the Korean peninsula to the brink of nuclear war" after the UN Security Council unanimously adopts new sanctions in response to Pyongyang's long-range ballistic missile tests last month.

August 9 - North Korea's military is "examining the operational plan" to strike areas around the US territory of Guam with medium-to-long-range strategic ballistic missiles, state-run news agency KCNA says. The North Korea comments are published one day after President Donald Trump warns Pyongyang that if it continues to threaten the United States, it would face "fire and fury like the world has never seen."

September 3 - North Korea carries out its sixth test of a nuclear weapon, causing a 6.3 magnitude seismic event, as measured by the United States Geological Survey. Pyongyang claims the device is a hydrogen bomb that could be mounted on an intercontinental missile. A nuclear weapons monitoring group describes the weapon as up to eight times stronger than the bomb dropped in Hiroshima in 1945. In response to the test, Trump tweets that North Korea continues to be "very hostile and dangerous to the United States." He goes on the criticize South Korea, claiming that the country is engaging in "talk of appeasement" with its neighbor to the north. He also says that North Korea is "an embarrassment to China," claiming Beijing is having little success reining in the Kim regime.

November 1 - A US official tells CNN that North Korea is working on an advanced version of its intercontinental ballistic missile that could potentially reach the United States.

November 28 - A South Korean minister says that North Korea may develop the capability to launch a nuclear weapon on a long-range ballistic missile at some point in 2018.

2018
January 2 - Trump ridicules Kim in a tweet. The president says that he has a larger and more functional nuclear button than the North Korean leader in a post on Twitter, responding to Kim's claim that he has a nuclear button on his desk.

January 10 - The White House releases a statement indicating that the Trump administration may be willing to hold talks with North Korea.

March 6 - South Korea's national security chief Chung Eui-yong says that North Korea has agreed to refrain from nuclear and missile testing while engaging in peace talks. North Korea has also expressed an openness to talk to the United States about abandoning its nuclear program, according to Chung.

March 8 - Chung, standing outside the White House, announces that Trump has accepted an invitation to meet Kim.

Oh please, that's just that's just everyone lighting their hair on fire as they were completely convinced that Trump was going to start WWIII.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

So you honestly think Kim would of given up his life just to nuke someone?

Sure he would...especially if he thought he was in imminent danger. If the solution here isn't negotiation, what should we do regarding NK's rapidly escalating nuclear threat during the past 2 years? Nothing?

 

[Jhhnn]

Trump waves magic wand. Nuclear threat is gone-

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/13/...-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

Poof! Just like that!

 

[VRAMdemon]

North Korea's state run News channel announced that Donald agreed to lift NK sanctions.

It's a five-sentence article from Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/article/nor...nst-north-idUSS6N1PJ02M?utm_source=reddit.com

If you scroll down the link to the previous newsbrief, titled, "Trump says no war games while North Korea negotiates in good faith: Fox interview".

I hope Mike Pompeo hates his life right now..

I'm wondering how this is being presented to North Koreans. They have all been raised from birth to hate the US with a murderous passion. They've been told that they have to be poor and hungry because Dear Leader must have weapons to protect them from the most evil country on earth. Kim can't just change course and announce that we are all friends now. He has to play it that he is calling the shots and the US is capitulating to him or he will lose the power that he needs to make his people accept that their lives suck. I don't think Trump will be too happy to see it being presented that way but Kim really has no other choice if he wants to retain control. It's not like he can, right away suddenly make a brainwashed, uneducated populace into productive members of society who understand how foreign policy works.

 

[fskimospy]

Sure he would...especially if he thought he was in imminent danger. If the solution here isn't negotiation, what should we do regarding NK's rapidly escalating nuclear threat during the past 2 years? Nothing?

I think you can make a strong argument that doing nothing would have been vastly preferable to what Trump did.

We have basically returned the state of affairs to what it was when Trump entered office except we’ve pissed off our allies in the region. He created a crisis and then gave a bunch of concessions to make that crisis go away and got nothing in return.

Makes you really, really wish we had Obama right now I imagine.

 

[Thebobo]

Sure he would...especially if he thought he was in imminent danger. If the solution here isn't negotiation, what should we do regarding NK's rapidly escalating nuclear threat during the past 2 years? Nothing?

Why would he be in imminent danger?

Threat? What threat? It was all hyperbolic frenzy made up by this administration.

He will never use them. See - death.

Yes nothing.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Trump waves magic wand. Nuclear threat is gone-

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/13/...-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

Poof! Just like that!

Bolton's moustache must have had a stroke after that.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Why would he be in imminent danger?

Threat? What threat? It was all hyperbolic frenzy made up by this administration.

He will never use them. See - death.

Yes nothing.

You complain, but offer no solution to the rapidly escalating nuclear threat posed by NK. You offer nothing....except a flimsy hope that these weapons will never be used.

 

[VRAMdemon]

You complain, but offer no solution to the rapidly escalating nuclear threat posed by NK. You offer nothing....except a flimsy hope that these weapons will never be used.

According to Trump the "Escalating Nuclear threat" is over...

Trump - "Everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!"

 

[compuwiz1]

Trumptardia has now been informed that NK has no more nukes, and Trumptardia now believes. Trumptardia is being primed for a rage storm when their Deal Leader does not win a peace prize.

That's a pretty assertive post, considering you don't know what is actually going to happen. How about some time, before your knees jerk? Things might get better, or they might turn to shit, but don't be so cock sure of anything, at this point.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Here's a pretty good take from Slate: "Trump isn’t trying to win over North Korea’s leader. He’s using him to win over you."

Three times during his press conference, Trump was asked about North Korea’s failure to honor previous agreements in which it made similar pledges. Each time the question was asked, Trump blamed the collapse of these agreements on previous American presidents. As evidence, Trump claimed that during the summit, Kim had told him that North Korea lacked “confidence” in Trump’s predecessors. In a post-summit interview with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, Trump said Kim had explained that “he was let down by the United States.” Far from challenging this statement, Trump used it to bolster his argument that no other American president could have worked with North Korea as Trump has. “I don’t think they honestly could have done it,” said Trump.

This is the key to understanding the Trump-Kim relationship: Trump isn’t competing with Kim, or even trying to win him over. He’s using Kim to compete for status with previous American presidents. “A lot of people are saying it’s historic,” Trump told Stephanopoulos, referring to the summit. “We’ve done something that’s very unique. Nobody’s met with the [Kim] family. … No president has, certainly.”

If Trump’s goal had been to maximize concessions from North Korea, he would have set high standards for the agreement, conveyed resolve, and kept his cards close to his vest. He has done the opposite. In the press conference, Trump blabbed about the limits of U.S. intelligence on North Korea: “probably less there than any other country.” He explained how we had detected Kim’s missile engine testing site: “We’re able to see because of the heat that it emits.”

That last part is why the intelligence community just loves Trump so much..lol

 

[soulcougher73]

It will be a sign of bias against Trump and conservatives, not a sign that conservative media lied to them yet again.

This has been a nice display of total hypocrisy on the part of conservatives and especially conservative media. Obama talks to North Korea? A naive man who is maybe in league with terrorists. Trump talks to North Korea? A historic diplomatic breakthrough or at least a highly positive first step.

It would be interesting to use the search function and see what conservatives on here have said in the past about this topic.

Since they usually just regurgitate Fox News it probably sounded like this:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bj8lnJOFse5/?taken-by=thedailyshow

 

[compuwiz1]

Here's a pretty good take from Slate: "Trump isn’t trying to win over North Korea’s leader. He’s using him to win over you."



That last part is why the intelligence community just loves Trump so much..lol

The Slate. LMAO
They define libertardism. No wonder some of you are so messed up in the head. You read from that rag.

 

[Thebobo]

You complain, but offer no solution to the rapidly escalating nuclear threat posed by NK. You offer nothing....except a flimsy hope that these weapons will never be used.

Once again there was no rapidly escalating threat. Because, and once again Kim is NOT suicidal.

 

[MrSquished]

You think Sean Hannity is the Walter Cronkite of your generation

The Slate. LMAO
They define libertardism. No wonder some of you are so messed up in the head. You read from that rag.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Once again there was no rapidly escalating threat. Because, and once again Kim is NOT suicidal.

Apparently you don't perceive NK's threatening behavior and great advances in nuclear and ballistic missile technology during the past 2 years as posing any real threat to the world. We live in very, very different realities it seems.

 

[MrSquished]

Apparently you don't perceive NK's threatening behavior and great advances in nuclear and ballistic missile technology during the past 2 years as posing any real threat to the world. We live in very, very different realities it seems.

There was some threat. Of course Trump made it much worse with his own rhetoric, and thus had to 'solve' a problem mostly of his own creation. Even though he has solved nothing.

But indeed, there is always a threat when some powerful leader of a country who happens to be a power hungry lunatic that only cares about themselves has access to nukes, just look at what is happening right here at home in the states.