Trump and his ties to Russia

[retrospooty]

Lets see if we can sum this up. This isn't a Republican vs. Democrat issue or lib vs. con issue... This is a problem for all Americans and we should all be seriously alarmed by these facts, and the info below doesn't even begin to mention all of the allegations that are not yet proven/are still under investigation and therefore cant be commented on officially by FBI. Nothing below is being disputed.

Michael Flynn - In contact with several Russian officials during campaign. Fired by Obama admin after ties to Russia were found. Obama admin warned Trump several times and Trump did nothing until Flynn was publicly caught lying to Pence about it.
Jeff Sessions - in contact with several Russian officials during campaign and lied about it on his security clearance papers AND lied under oath in front of congress. Later removed himself from the investigation due to the appearance of impropriety, then recommended Trump fire Comey anyhow.
Jared Kutchner - in contact with several Russian officials during campaign and lied about it on his security clearance papers.
Paul Manafort (Trumps former campaign manager) - in contact with several Russian officials during campaign.
Rex Tillerson - Close ties to Russia for decades.
Donald Trump himself:
- Refuses to say anything negative about Russia
- Refuses to acknowledge Russia meddling even after CIA and FBI publicly acknowledge that they absolutely were hacking in to our political parties during a presidential election.
- Lets Russian Ambassador and Foreign minister (a known spy recruiter) into Oval office and bans US press from entering while allowing Russian press in, then divulges classified info to them (thus declassifying it).
- Fired head of FBI that was in charge of investigation.
- Keeps changing the story as things come out.
- After all of this monkey biz, still wont say anything negative about Flynn

Those things are all confirmed. Did I miss anything? Please let me know and I will edit it.

Forget the negative left leaning mainstream media. Forget the democrats, forget any other Trump haters. These are things that the CIA confirmed and the FBI had 150+ agents and tech staff on prior to Comeys firing. WTF is with all of these ties to Russia? There is obvious impropriety here. What will it take for the Reps to finally look at this without the denial glasses? FFS, you guys jumped all over Obama when he (gasp) bowed to the Japanese prime minister but its fine when Trump admittedly gave classified info to our biggest adversary - Russia. Seriously, what will it take for you to see this for what it is?

 

[JSt0rm]

Conservatives have been brainwashed.

 

[nathanddrews]

... and not a single charge filed against Trump. So clearly there's nothing to see or what is known isn't a violation of known laws. Shouldn't that be sufficient?

You could make the argument that "they are building a case", but this is a political game, not a legal one. As long as this stays in the headlines, it can be used to slow Trump's progress on his agenda, which is goal numero uno.

Conservatives have been brainwashed.

Naturally there is no other possible explanation.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

... and not a single charge filed against Trump. So clearly there's nothing to see or what is known isn't a violation of known laws. Shouldn't that be sufficient?

And for a year after the watergate break-in, there were no charges filed against Nixon. That doesn't necessarily mean anything.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Lets see if we can sum this up. This isnt a Republican vs. Democrat issue or lib vs. con issue... This is a problem for all Americans and we should all be seriously alarmed by these facts, and the above doesn't even begin to mention all of the allegations that are not yet proven/are still under investigation and therefore cant be commented on officially.

The new GOP is becoming aligned with Russia.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...7c8a68c1a66_story.html?utm_term=.ce13b5e7fdad

On issues including gun rights, terrorism and same-sex marriage, many leading advocates on the right who grew frustrated with their country’s leftward tilt under President Barack Obama have forged ties with well-connected Russians and come to see that country’s authoritarian leader, Vladimir Putin, as a potential ally.

 

[nathanddrews]

And for a year after the watergate break-in, there were no charges filed against Nixon. That doesn't necessarily mean anything.

That's very true, but it also took a long time to impeach Clinton and he ultimately was acquitted. My point is - what's there to debate? We don't have inside knowledge and none of the top intelligence officials, top democrats, or top republicans have brought forward any evidence to warrant the outcry against him. Putting the cart before the horse, IMO.

 

[WelshBloke]

That's very true, but it also took a long time to impeach Clinton and he ultimately was acquitted.

Remember that the whole thing about Clinton was lying about a consensual blow job.

It's not exactly the same issue.

 

[FelixDeCat]

We all have ties to Russia one way or other. They are the worlds second largest super power and cannot be ignored. The Democrats attempt to twist this into some sort of conspiracy is laughable at best and result in nothing.

Its basically something for the disgruntled to gnaw on while Trump moves forward with MAGA.

 

[fskimospy]

That's very true, but it also took a long time to impeach Clinton and he ultimately was acquitted. My point is - what's there to debate?

You're saying there was nothing to debate before Nixon was impeached then? That doesn't make any sense.

We don't have inside knowledge and none of the top intelligence officials, top democrats, or top republicans have brought forward any evidence to warrant the outcry against him. Putting the cart before the horse, IMO.

You don't need any inside knowledge to be outraged. Just what is public knowledge so far is absolutely outrageous. You currently have a situation in which the president of the United States came out and said on TV that he fired the director of the FBI because he didn't like how he was investigating his administration. That's an admission of staggering corruption and it's basically what Nixon was going to be impeached for.

The only reason we aren't sitting through an impeachment trial right now is because Republicans control Congress.

 

[fskimospy]

We all have ties to Russia one way or other. They are the worlds second largest super power and cannot be ignored. The Democrats attempt to twist this into some sort of conspiracy is laughable at best and result in nothing.

So to be clear you think the FBI is either purposefully wasting their time or are in thrall to the Democrats? What's your basis for this?

 

[WelshBloke]

We all have ties to Russia one way or other. They are the worlds second largest super power and cannot be ignored.

We also have sanctions in place against them and are fighting on the opposite side in certain theatres.

 

[retrospooty]

... and not a single charge filed against Trump. So clearly there's nothing to see or what is known isn't a violation of known laws. Shouldn't that be sufficient?

You could make the argument that "they are building a case", but this is a political game, not a legal one. As long as this stays in the headlines, it can be used to slow Trump's progress on his agenda, which is goal numero uno.

Naturally there is no other possible explanation.

Lets say nothing specific is found directly about Trump himself. Are the ties to Russia not concerning to you? Again, nothing above is being disputed. Those are all facts.

 

[FelixDeCat]

We also have sanctions in place against them and are fighting on the opposite side in certain theatres.

Those sanctions should be lifted. They were put in place by the previous regime and are no longer needed.

 

[FelixDeCat]

So to be clear you think the FBI is either purposefully wasting their time or are in thrall to the Democrats? What's your basis for this?

The FBI is doing the bidding of disgruntled Democrats and some RINOs. There is nothing to "get to the bottom of" and that is why I am convinced nothing will come of this tail chasing endeavor.

 

[retrospooty]

Those sanctions should be lifted. They were put in place by the previous regime and are no longer needed.

They meddled in our elections as well as many other allied countries and as WelshBloke mentioned, they are fighting on the opposite side in certain theaters.

 

[retrospooty]

The FBI is doing the bidding of disgruntled Democrats and some RINOs. There is nothing to "get to the bottom of" and that is why I am convinced nothing will come of this tail chasing endeavor.

The FBI is doing the bidding of the dems? Are you serious? This is the FBI you are talking about. How about Mueller? He is universally accepted by dems and reps and an absolute powerhouse of integrity and that is why he is in charge of it (a Bush appointee BTW) You think he is in on it as well?

 

[WelshBloke]

Those sanctions should be lifted. They were put in place by the previous regime and are no longer needed.

Heh. It's funny to see how pro Russia Trump supporters are.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

The FBI is doing the bidding of disgruntled Democrats and some RINOs. There is nothing to "get to the bottom of" and that is why I am convinced nothing will come of this tail chasing endeavor.

And other than your desire for it to be true, what do you base that conclusion on? What is your foundation for coming to that conclusion? How can the Democrats be orchestrating this? How are they manipulating the FBI and the Trump appointed Deputy AG?

 

[NostaSeronx]

“If your interests align, never shut any doors in politics.” Treason is acceptable as long as Republicans win.
- The door has been opened, let the war begin.

GOP and its ties to Russia. <-- New topic title. #Hijacked

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You're saying there was nothing to debate before Nixon was impeached then? That doesn't make any sense.



You don't need any inside knowledge to be outraged. Just what is public knowledge so far is absolutely outrageous. You currently have a situation in which the president of the United States came out and said on TV that he fired the director of the FBI because he didn't like how he was investigating his administration. That's an admission of staggering corruption and it's basically what Nixon was going to be impeached for.

The only reason we aren't sitting through an impeachment trial right now is because Republicans control Congress.

Well shit I was going to attempt to make a reasoned reply but the whole situation is such a mess I can't do anything but vent and not well. Screw this administration.

 

[fskimospy]

The FBI is doing the bidding of disgruntled Democrats and some RINOs. There is nothing to "get to the bottom of" and that is why I am convinced nothing will come of this tail chasing endeavor.

Wait, you're claiming that an executive agency has gone rogue and is now working with the opposition party to take down the country's elected leadership? This is an incredibly serious charge so surely you must have plenty of evidence to support it. When can we expect it?

Also, it's impressive that you seem to be so certain that there is nothing to get to the bottom of when basically every US intelligence agency disagrees. Where did you come by this knowledge and expertise that's allowed you to out-analyze some of the world's preeminent intelligence agencies with budgets in the billions? You should leverage this skill because you can make a lot of money.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Heh. It's funny to see how pro Russia Trump supporters are.

ronnie reagan is spinning in his grave right now.

 

[fskimospy]

Well shit I was going to attempt to make a reasoned reply but the whole situation is such a mess I can't do anything but vent and not well. Screw this administration.

It seriously baffles me how bad partisanship has gotten. I don't think it's at all an exaggeration to say this is exactly the sort of thing that got Nixon impeached and Republicans not only aren't impeaching him over it they're actively working to cover his ass.

The legislative branch of our government has never really covered itself in glory but this is a new low... and not by a small amount.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It seriously baffles me how bad partisanship has gotten. I don't think it's at all an exaggeration to say this is exactly the sort of thing that got Nixon impeached and Republicans not only aren't impeaching him over it they're actively working to cover his ass.

The legislative branch of our government has never really covered itself in glory but this is a new low... and not by a small amount.

There is a real change in Republicans and the Right. Back in Nixon's day they weren't perfect either but when finally confronted with the true nature of the crime they told him to get out. Goldwater pretty much kicked him in the ass.

We're a crazy people.

 

[fskimospy]

There is a real change in Republicans and the Right. Back in Nixon's day they weren't perfect either but when finally confronted with the true nature of the crime they told him to get out. Goldwater pretty much kicked him in the ass.

We're a crazy people.

It really does show how bad partisanship has gotten. Plenty of Republicans defended Nixon but there were enough principled and/or moderate people that they were able to do what was necessary when confronted with a criminal president. That seems to have gone out the window.