Trump Already Hitting Clinton Where She's Vulnerable

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That's still pretty far off of the average for America, although at least you could say there's a lot of healthy representation for the major racial demographics.

Really weird age demographics, I wonder what happened to make 15-17 so different from 18-19.

Loyola University.

 

[Exophase]

Loyola University.

Don't know how I overlooked that, thanks.

I wonder if the higher concentration of white babies is also from students or recent students who will mostly eventually leave.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Loyola University.

:thumbsup:

 

[hal2kilo]

Rogers Park in Chicago
http://statisticalatlas.com/neighborhood/Illinois/Chicago/Rogers-Park/Race-and-Ethnicity

It was a wonderful homogeneous mix.

That's where I lived, when I lived in Chicago. God I miss Thursday night and the GlenwayInn on Devon. That was corned beef and cabbage night. Good old Irish pub/restaurant.

 

[zinfamous]

C'mon Zin, that just ain't so. We engineers are the BACKBONE of America. Without us, where would America be? We impact the world we live in far more than any other demographic. We basically run the damn thing. Don't be so dismissive of our contribution.

And you do so just exactly close enough.

Zin,

I know I am being obtuse. That is purposeful. I am feeling playful today. Sorry about that....

fair enough.

 

[zinfamous]

Rogers Park in Chicago
http://statisticalatlas.com/neighborhood/Illinois/Chicago/Rogers-Park/Race-and-Ethnicity

It was a wonderful homogeneous mix.

There is also a fantastic Peruvian restaurant in Rogers Park. Man, I miss that place.

By the way, that's got to be a relatively new demo. IIRC, when I was living in Chicago, Roger's Park was still predominantly hispanic, and the gays were only just moving there because most of the, uh, "normal yuppie?" gays (is that the right word? help me out Platypus. ) were starting to move there because they were sick of typical Boystown antics. I imagine that heavily weighted that white demographic.

Loyola University.

Oh, duh. There is also that reason.

 

[werepossum]

Is your implication that the right wing media doesn't do the same thing? Do you believe, say, Fox News or WorldNetDaily is even-handed in their reporting of what happens as between Democratic and Republican leaders?

Nope. The right wing media are even more blatant. There are two key differences though - the right wing media are far less pervasive (even though they crush on cable news and talk radio, most people still get their news from the networks, infotainment shows, and the Internet) and very, very few people are under any illusion that the right wing media are not heavily biased.

Not really so mysterious when you don't subscribe to revisionist history the way you and werepossum do. Democrats often compromise with Rebublicans by passing their shit legislation and then when it fails the GOP tries to pretend they weren't the ones that pressed for it in the first place.

How . . . convenient. You simply divide whatever the two parties do together and assign the things you don't like to the party you don't like and vice versa.

I envy the time you save by never actually thinking.

I personally think Trump is going to win the election and became the next POTUS.

I don't personally support him. I don't agree with his policies. But I think he is going to win the election regardless of that.

Mostly it is going to come down to who America hates less. Trump is going to manage to convince voters that they hate an offensive businessman less than they hate an old white woman.

The problem with Hilary is that she isn't really notable. She doesn't stand out. Obama was notable for his sheer charisma and oratory ability. Trump is notable for how polarizing he is - people either hate him or love him. Hilary - what is she famous for? Her husband used to be POTUS and cheated on her. She's a feminist. What else?

It's going to count against her.

I dunno. In the first place, most of the people are not truly swayable; they have their party, and that's how they are going to vote. (Assuming they vote.) In the second place, seems to me that most of Clinton's negatives also apply to Trump, sometimes to a lesser degree but oftimes to a greater. America considers Clinton to be rather greedy and grasping; she is running against a billionaire with copious allegations of shady deals. America considers Clinton to be awkward, cold, uncaring; America considers Trump to be a buffoon who is at least as uncaring. America considers Clinton to be dishonest and untrustworthy . . .

I don't see a lot of Hillary's current negatives that Trump or his surrogates can cleanly hit. Remember "Where was George?" You can bet their political minders do. The only one that comes to mind is that she is part of the establishment, part of the ruling elite. Even there, being the first female contender for the top chair gives her some cover, whereas Trump being a white male billionaire puts him squarely in the ruling elite even without government experience. Given that the outsider (of the party if not the ruling elite) couldn't defeat her in the primary, I just don't think he's going to get much traction there either. I do expect she will do badly in the debates - I'll be surprised if more than two come off - but even there she'll have most of the media screaming that she won and there will surely be plenty of stupid Trumpisms to give them ammunition. If one makes cogent points but also says stupid things, one cannot possibly decisively win a debate. And there's no guarantee that Trump will make any cogent points. The kicker here is that general elections are not as emotionally charged as are primaries. You're dealing with people who are less politically educated/aware and much less invested in politics. Trump's obviously a very smart guy, but I don't know that he's smart enough to shift from what worked so well in his first ever run for office to what they tell him will work in the general. Assuming the minders even know - what will work for a Senator is not necessarily what will work for a billionaire real estate mogul. I'm betting that if Trump wins, then the key argument or issue will be something not even on my radar.

I don't particularly care either way. Maybe President Trump would be better than President Hildabeast, but he could also easily be worse. And to me, the big wild card here is not a possible Hillary indictment (honestly, if I had to bet I'd bet that a Trump indictment was more likely, though obviously I'm expecting neither) but how much the Republican establishment pisses off the Republican base. I'm not at all convinced that this plays into net more votes for President Trump since some people will stay home and others will vote for the Dems or a third party.

 

[hal2kilo]

There is also a fantastic Peruvian restaurant in Rogers Park. Man, I miss that place.

By the way, that's got to be a relatively new demo. IIRC, when I was living in Chicago, Roger's Park was still predominantly hispanic, and the gays were only just moving there because most of the, uh, "normal yuppie?" gays (is that the right word? help me out Platypus. ) were starting to move there because they were sick of typical Boystown antics. I imagine that heavily weighted that white demographic.


Oh, duh. There is also that reason.

And my ex worked for Loyola U for a while. It probably was a lot whiter there when I live there from 1976 to 1980 than it is now.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

hahahahahahahha. Paul Ryan can't currently support drumpf

"At this point, I'm just not there right now," Ryan said in a Thursday afternoon interview with Jake Tapper.

And before the usual fucktards chime in saying in no way would he support clinton, nor should any repub, well, DUH.

http://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/paul-ryan-wont-support-donald-trump

 

[Exophase]

Oh, duh. There is also that reason.

I think I missed it because there isn't a tapering off around graduation age. It must be intersecting with an older native white population that's gradually shrinking.

 

[Spungo]

Trump being a white male billionaire puts him squarely in the ruling elite even without government experience.

Would you say Elon Musk is part of the ruling class? According to google, Elon Musk is worth 3x as much as Donald Trump. Mark Zuckerberg is in the ballpark of 8-10x Trump.

Judging by how much the republican party hates Trump, I'm guessing he's not one of them. Mitt Romney is worth about 1/10 of what Trump is worth, but he's definitely one of them. If you look closely on a high def TV, you can almost see the puppet strings connected to Mitt.

Trump with Ron Paul as VP would be an interesting election. The two most hated republicans. Hated by the party I mean. They're generally liked among the general population. You would trust Ron to babysit your kids without thinking he might try selling them to Goldman Sachs or something.

Is Goldman Sachs even a real company? It seems like it's just a country club for insiders. Even Jim Cramer worked there as a trader before starting his own hedge fund.

 

[compuwiz1]

For a minute, this morning, I thought Trump wouldn't be hitting Clinton at all. My wife came into the bedroom and woke me up. She asked, did you hear what happened? No, I didn't. She said Trump dropped out. I was like...... what!!!!! She said, yeah, he announced that he only ran to prove he could beat all the other republican candidates and now that he has, he admitted he wasn't really interested in being POTUS, but had a point to prove. I was stunned. Finally, she broke a smile and said I'm just bullshitting you, but I'll bet you're awake now.

 

[werepossum]

Would you say Elon Musk is part of the ruling class? According to google, Elon Musk is worth 3x as much as Donald Trump. Mark Zuckerberg is in the ballpark of 8-10x Trump.

Judging by how much the republican party hates Trump, I'm guessing he's not one of them. Mitt Romney is worth about 1/10 of what Trump is worth, but he's definitely one of them. If you look closely on a high def TV, you can almost see the puppet strings connected to Mitt.

Trump with Ron Paul as VP would be an interesting election. The two most hated republicans. Hated by the party I mean. They're generally liked among the general population. You would trust Ron to babysit your kids without thinking he might try selling them to Goldman Sachs or something.

Is Goldman Sachs even a real company? It seems like it's just a country club for insiders. Even Jim Cramer worked there as a trader before starting his own hedge fund.

I would mo debinitely call Musk and Zuckerberg part of the ruling elite. It's the Golden Rule: Them what has the gold makes the rules.

You make a good point about how much the Pubbies hate Trump, but the ruling elite isn't just the Republicans. It's the Republicans, the Democrats, and the wealthy, influential individuals who can influence them and get audiences at will.

 

[werepossum]

For a minute, this morning, I thought Trump wouldn't be hitting Clinton at all. My wife came into the bedroom and woke me up. She asked, did you hear what happened? No, I didn't. She said Trump dropped out. I was like...... what!!!!! She said, yeah, he announced that he only ran to prove he could beat all the other republican candidates and now that he has, he admitted he wasn't really interested in being POTUS, but had a point to prove. I was stunned. Finally, she broke a smile and said I'm just bullshitting you, but I'll bet you're awake now.

lol!

 

[EOM]

The only thing Trump has going for him is that he isn't Hillary.

 

[EOM]

For a minute, this morning, I thought Trump wouldn't be hitting Clinton at all. My wife came into the bedroom and woke me up. She asked, did you hear what happened? No, I didn't. She said Trump dropped out. I was like...... what!!!!! She said, yeah, he announced that he only ran to prove he could beat all the other republican candidates and now that he has, he admitted he wasn't really interested in being POTUS, but had a point to prove. I was stunned. Finally, she broke a smile and said I'm just bullshitting you, but I'll bet you're awake now.

hah, pwned

 

[Mxylplyx]

I will be here anxiously awaiting the meltdown from the OP the morning after Trump is crushed in the general, but I'm almost certain I will be disappointed. General election polls the day of the election will probably show Trump at least a 5 points behind Hillary, but it wont matter. The OP will just dismiss them as mainstream media bs, amirite?

I'm sure I will be solely disappointed though. Speedy will disappear like a fart in the wind.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

For a minute, this morning, I thought Trump wouldn't be hitting Clinton at all. My wife came into the bedroom and woke me up. She asked, did you hear what happened? No, I didn't. She said Trump dropped out. I was like...... what!!!!! She said, yeah, he announced that he only ran to prove he could beat all the other republican candidates and now that he has, he admitted he wasn't really interested in being POTUS, but had a point to prove. I was stunned. Finally, she broke a smile and said I'm just bullshitting you, but I'll bet you're awake now.

I bet your colostomy bag filled up fast that morning.

 

[FrankRamiro]

And for those that said Trump couldn't stand a chance to be nominated for the Reps.hope you guys did not choke when you had to swallow your pride and the frogs.

 

[hal2kilo]

Sorry for side tracking.

As to the OP...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wirBiWeSjV4

 

[CitizenKain]

C'mon Zin, that just ain't so. We engineers are the BACKBONE of America. Without us, where would America be? We impact the world we live in far more than any other demographic. We basically run the damn thing. Don't be so dismissive of our contribution.

If you try and pat yourself on the back any harder for something you had nothing to do with, you'll pull something.

 

[dank69]

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How . . . convenient. You simply divide whatever the two parties do together and assign the things you don't like to the party you don't like and vice versa.

I envy the time you save by never actually thinking.


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No, I just research easily available information to see what actually happened instead of burying my head in the conservative sand like you do.

 

[zinfamous]

And for those that said Trump couldn't stand a chance to be nominated for the Reps.hope you guys did not choke when you had to swallow your pride and the frogs.

frogs?

:hmm:

 

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And for those that said Trump couldn't stand a chance to be nominated for the Reps.hope you guys did not choke when you had to swallow your pride and the frogs.

I figured back in February that the GOP would *have* to go with Trump. They had no choice but pick one pony and rally behind it. He had too much momentum to derail at that time.

I still fully expect it to be a bloodbath in Hillary's favor come November.

 

[werepossum]

No, I just research easily available information to see what actually happened instead of burying my head in the conservative sand like you do.

lol Sure you do. And it just happens to come out that the Democrats are always correct and the Republicans are always wrong. Especially when they do the exact same thing.