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The Blue Wall is on life support after hillary can't even put away a hunched over old man. It's utterly pathetic that the DNC and hillary can't get him to concede by now, let alone still losing states to him.
Sheik Yerbouti
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nickqt
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Clearly the Blue Wall is on life support, since Hillary, a Democratic candidate for President, is barely beating Sanders, another Democratic candidate for President.
Your analysis is extremely valuable. Thanks for sharing it with the whole world.
soundforbjt
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She hasn't even tried, She's not going to alienate his supporters, unlike what Trump did. The only non-Trump supporters who will vote for him are those who winning means more than their values.
You don't get it. Hillary & Bernie are on the same side of the blue wall.
Sure, Trumpists would like for Dems to be ripping each others throats out like the Repubs but we're not a Party in crisis. We're not desperately clinging to failed ideology & malformed cultural identity not knowing what else to do.
44.2% of Republican primary voters in Indiana voted against Trump. The problem is, we have no idea how many of them hate him and would refuse to vote for him in the generals. Could be none of them, could be all of them - and that would hardly be a very small percentage.
TheGardener
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I don't think that Sen Sanders and his minions are buying that. If it were so, then Sanders would have suspended his campaign by now. I guess there is more than one wall. Clinton's dissing them several times in the last week, isn't going to bring her as many votes as she will need.
When Clinton says that in 2008, she says withdrew and didn't ask [demand] anything from Obama. What a bald faced lie. How else did she get to be Secretary of State?
- Jun 22, 2001
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Agree, check out my other thread where Huffpo and Salon authors attack Clinton in separate op eds today.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2472063
Bernie is simply a stronger candidate and without a looming FBI investigation that can royally screw things up down the road for Democrats.
bshole
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Don Vito Corleone
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Can't put him away? She is absolutely dominating him, to a considerably greater extent than President Obama was beating her at this point in the process. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-sanders-comeback-would-be-unprecedented/ I personally have no issue with Sanders staying in the race, both as a gesture of solidarity with his supporters and a way of influencing the Clinton campaign to move toward his position on the issues. He certainly is not doing it because he thinks he can win - he can't.
werepossum
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lol Democrats - when we do evil stupid things, it's the Republicans' fault.
I agree that Bernie is probably a stronger candidate, but maybe not. Clinton is certainly stronger in the states the Pubbies will win, which probably carries over to independents there, and may also be stronger in some swing states.
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So if you flipped the 520 superdelegates to bernie's side, who would be winning? We can do math. Sanders would be winning by 200~ with the supers' support that hillary has.
Pledged delegates 1,682 1,361
Superdelegates 520 39
It's rigged.
Plus that article was written before Indiana which hillary was supposed to win, and it acknowledges that sample size is a problem and the fact that hillary's unfavorability rating is close to an all time high.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating
Bernie's core supporters have been Dems all along. Some of them have just been unrealistic in their expectations & still are. It's not like the real world will let Bernie accomplish any more than Hillary. I figure it would likely be less given that he'd spend a lot of effort tilting at windmills.
UHC & radically higher taxes are DOA. We all know it. So is Free! junior college because taxes won't be raised to cover it. Not that I personally object to Bernie's agenda- I agree with many of his goals. We'll need to change a whole lot of people's minds to accomplish them. He hasn't done that among Dems so it's unlikely that he'd do better among the general electorate. He said he'd need a revolution & he's not getting it.
But we'll still have a choice. I know a lot of Bernie supporters. They're smart people. They may not really like Hillary but they detest Trump in ways he can't possibly overcome. They won't miss being a part of the yuuge STFU that Donald deserves.
DrPizza
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If I were Trump, this would be my plan of attack....
I'd blame Bill's sexual transgressions on Hillary.
Especially his blatantly lying on TV to millions, denying Monica ever happened.
Except, for that "dress". DNA spots and all.
Damn that dress... (said Bill to Hillary).
I would link together their ability and easy at lying as typical of the Clintons.
Birds of a feather, if you get my drift.
The Bonnie and Clyde of American politics.
Then as candidate Donald Trump, I would bring up the mysterious death of their friend Vince Foster.
If Trump can suggest the father of Ted Cruz had a hand in the assignation of JFK, Trump could easily suggest the Clintons had Vince Foster knocked off because Foster was about to jump ship and spill the poop on the Clintons.
Remember, it had been suggested, back then, that Vince Foster was bisexual and had boyfriends.
And that park where Vince Foster was found dead in was considered a gathering place for gays and quick sex.
So Trump could suggest Vince Foster was lured to the park for a sexual lunch-time quickie, and the Clintons hired an assassin waiting in the park for Vince to show up.
A murder for hire by the Clintons, made to appear as a suicide.
Simply to avoid any risk to Bill's candidacy, plus to keep Vince Foster quiet.
And back to Monica Lewinsky.
Remember, back then BEFORE the dress, Bill Clinton emphatically denied he had anything to do with Monica Lewinsky.
And if people remember back then, the insinuation had just begun suggesting Monica Lewinsky was a nut job, infatuated with a president, Lewinsky had made up the entire affair because Monica Lewinsky was delusional. Sick. A love crazed female.
THAT was where this was heading, back then, before "the dress".
If that dress had never come to light, who really knows how far the Clintons would have gone to silence Monica Lewinsky?
If that dress had never come to light, Monica Lewinsky could have easily been found in some hotel room, dead from a self inflected gun shot or from an overdose, along with a suicide note. A suicide note not written by Lewinsky, but appearing to be.
All faked and orchestrated by... BILL and HILLARY CLINTON.
That could have all happened, if.... that dress had not existed.
For sure...
Trump has plenty of low down dirty laundry to stir up concerning the Clintons.
And we all know that for Donald, this would be easy to do.
Because as Donald would say, birds of a feather flock together.
Bill lies. Hillary lies. They are as one.
And who only knows the evil Bill and Hillary Inc. have gotten away with?
I mean, if someone like Bill Clinton could and would lie to the face of millions of Americans without ever once flinching, could the Clintons orchestrate a murder?
Would Monica Lewinsky have died from an apparent suicide?
Could Vince Foster have been murdered?
Donald, there you go.
Expect a bill for my services.
Bill Clinton isn't running for President - Hilary is. Trump is guilty of the same dirt that Bill is. All Hilary has to do is remind people that she's not Bill. She's not the one guilty of philandering. Trump on the other hand, is on record on the Howard Stern show bragging about cheating, bragging about the Venereal Disease problem he had.
He would have to be a special sort of stupid to attack Bill for something that he is just as guilty of.
A not insignificant amount of Hillary's support includes praise for things Bill did in office. Reminding people she's not Bill can also work against her, even if she's careful to say that her personal affairs are not Bill's while politically they're unified.
And I have zero doubt that Donald Trump will attack anyone with anything he can muster, including things that would easily apply to him. I suspect one of his big angles here will be how Hillary and followers have cast doubt on women claiming that Bill sexually harassed, assaulted, or even raped them, saying that it's contrary to a "Listen and Believe" mantra of feminism.
Don Vito Corleone
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How is it "rigged" for the superdelegates to support the candidate who enjoys a large lead in both delegates and popular vote?
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Derp de derp derp derp derp. You're grasping for straws here. Clinton has it in the bag. You sound about as stupid as the people who, the day before the Indiana primary, still thought that Cruz could win. Polling indicated he was going to get crushed, and get crushed he did.
Face it champ, it's going to be Trump vs. Hilary, and Hilary is going to wipe up the floor with him. It's possible Trump doesn't win a single state. It's amazing that you're so enamored by Trump that you think it's "a coin flip." It's not. It's a sure thing for Hilary barring some unforeseen catastrophe.
soundforbjt
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Yes, he goofed up big time. Should've known better than try to work with republicans since they were the ones pushing it.
boomerang
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It's this bizarre coincidence that happens over and over and over. Evil stupid things that happen when Democrats are in charge are always really done by Republicans. This happens continually. It's quite the phenomenon.
It's like hearing a crash in the living room, running in to see two of your kids standing there looking at the broken lamp and when you ask who did that, they say it was their sibling who isn't even at home. And they really think you'll believe this!
We better hope it stays that way. I would not dismiss Trump so quickly. He is going to turn and become way more moderate. I know many dont think he can, but you just watch.
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