Trump Already Hitting Clinton Where She's Vulnerable

[zinfamous]

But only Clinton could get it to pass by strong arming/silencing the unions and those against it in his own party, Bush Sr. wouldn't have had a snowballs chance in hell of passing it.

That's fair.

Still, odd how it always seems to take a democratic administration to actually pass darlings of republican think tanks and administrations, no?

NAFTA
Carbon Taxes
ACA
etc.

Brilliant for the republicans. They love love love these things, but know they they are unpopular. Just wait until the Dems pass them and let them hang themselves.

 

[ivwshane]

How can she eviscerate Trump? All he has to do is bring up all of the past nonsense of her and Bill to show she's not for the American people and corrupt.

He could easily bring up certain points that were contained in her email scandal, he could bring up her hubby selling our military technology to the Chinese, he could bring up Benghazi, there's so much that Trump could tear her down with.

But then again, I'm sure she has some ammo too against Trump, but how much weight will it carry when compared to her?

Anything trump can throw at Clinton, Clinton can throw at trump. If trump tries to run as the anti-establishment she can simply show how trump is simply the other part of the establishment equation.
Trump will run a policy free campaign just as he has and Clinton will run a policy based campaign just as she has.
This election is gearing up to be an election about which anti candidate group shows up, the anti trump crowd or the anti Hillary crowd.

 

[1prophet]

Yes, those charges are ineffective which is why Trump is so popular among the general electorate. People really love him and he has very high approval ratings.

not

People don't love Trump, they are tired of being promised the Hope & Change of the establishment politicians during elections and then forgotten for the next 4 years until the next election while Wall Street and those like them rake in the profits

 

[FerrelGeek]

I hear the National Enquirer will be partially retracting its story about Cruz's dad meeting with Oswald. In reality, it was Hillary's dad.

 

[SP33Demon]

Yes, those charges are ineffective which is why Trump is so popular among the general electorate. People really love him and he has very high approval ratings.

not

It's only a popularity contest among the Repubs so far and if Trump can win them over, he can win over the Dems as well with his (slightly toned down) zero fucks given attitude. Remember the ratings for The Apprentice? A shitload of Democrats helped make that happen and they are voting for him at almost twice the rate the Repubs are voting for hillary. He simply has way more crossover appeal than hillary.

 

[ivwshane]

People don't love Trump, they are tired of being promised the Hope & Change of the establishment politicians during elections and then forgotten for the next 4 years until the next election while Wall Street and those like them rake in the profits

So they are going to support the guy who is on record as having policies that do exactly what they are complaining about? I've said it before and I'll say it again, trump voters are the dumbest mother fuckers I have ever seen!

 

[fskimospy]

It's only a popularity contest among the Repubs so far and if Trump can win them over, he can win over the Dems as well with his (slightly toned down) zero fucks given attitude. Remember the ratings for The Apprentice? A shitload of Democrats helped make that happen and they are voting for him at almost twice the rate the Repubs are voting for hillary. He simply has way more crossover appeal than hillary.

That definitely explains why he's losing in all the polls and why he's the most widely hated presidential candidate in US history, haha.

LOOK AT ALL THE APPEAL!

 

[fskimospy]

People don't love Trump, they are tired of being promised the Hope & Change of the establishment politicians during elections and then forgotten for the next 4 years until the next election while Wall Street and those like them rake in the profits

So they vote for the guy who promises to give people on Wall Street way way more money? In fact he promises to give them so much extra money that it breaks the federal budget?

Interesting tactic, haha.

 

[ivwshane]

So they vote for the guy who promises to give people on Wall Street way way more money? In fact he promises to give them so much extra money that it breaks the federal budget?

Interesting tactic, haha.

They support the guy who actually said that American wage are too high! Of course trump backtracked on that after Bernie called him on it so who the fuck knows what he thinks. I know that if I'm a hot button voter I'm voting for the guy who either supports my side of the issues or supports the exact opposite of my side. /S

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/politics/donald-trump-explains-wages-too-high-comment/

 

[SP33Demon]

oh sp3d3y, you are so fucking delusional. Hilary has been deflecting this same republican bullshit for decades without a single scratch. Her dusting up of the entire congressional witch hunt on Benghazi was a masterstroke in crushing the balls of weak, bitter, republican stooges.

Trump still can't get over a decades-old sentence calling him a tiny-handed man.

you are such a goddamn toolshed.

If she's so bulletproof, why isn't she the nominee yet? Why hasn't an old man whose slogan is "Feel the Bern" conceded yet and still improbably winning states against her? Why would he be winning if all the superdelegates were rigged for him instead of Clinton? Ask yourself, do you really think that this old, losing, previously flushed turd can beat an alpha champion of the (new and improved) Republicans? She is going to get creamed, buddy. Better prepare yourself for the mental letdown sooner than later like the other 16 candidates that got scalped by Trump.

 

[SP33Demon]

That definitely explains why he's losing in all the polls and why he's the most widely hated presidential candidate in US history, haha.

LOOK AT ALL THE APPEAL!

The longer that Bernie stays in the game, the closer the polling will get. Like I said before, don't be surprised when more and more polling shows Trump pulling ahead of Clinton like the 5/2 Rasmussen. The momentum has just shifted and hillary is getting bent over by bernie since she banked on all those superdelegates. If she can't seal the deal and the polls turn on her, then the superdelegates could sure as shit turn on her as well. Bernie is also up on Trump a lot more than hillary, Trump supporters do not want to see Bernie in the general. That much I'll admit.

 

[SP33Demon]

Anything trump can throw at Clinton, Clinton can throw at trump. If trump tries to run as the anti-establishment she can simply show how trump is simply the other part of the establishment equation.
Trump will run a policy free campaign just as he has and Clinton will run a policy based campaign just as she has.
This election is gearing up to be an election about which anti candidate group shows up, the anti trump crowd or the anti Hillary crowd.

The "anti trump crowd" is a huge minority if you're talking about Republicans. Look at the how the voting went, did we see any "anti Trump" in the Acela Corridor states or Indiana? No, because it's a very small percentage.

Regarding Dems, not to beat a dead horse but Trump is pulling in almost twice the amount of Dems vs hillary and GOP voters. The "anti Trump" movement is dead especially since he slayed his dragon faster than hillary could slay hers. And the deck was completely stacked against Trump while it was completely stacked FOR hillary and she still can't seal the deal.

 

[SP33Demon]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-05/04/c_135333408.htm
News Analysis: Trump could beat Hillary Clinton with toned down rhetoric: experts

While Trump has a high negative rate -- the rate at which people dislike a candidate -- those of Clinton are nearly as high, as a number of Americans find her stiff and unapproachable, and see her as someone who does not understand the needs of ordinary Americans.

But perhaps the most telling is that Clinton has failed to galvanize her party or excite her supporters in the same way as Trump has done.
...
Some analysts now say that the only one who can beat Trump is Trump himself -- while he has galvanized the Republican rank and file like no other Republican candidates in recent years, he is also vehemently disliked by many outside his base.

Republican strategist Ford O'Connell told Xinhua that if Trump just adjusts his rhetoric a bit to be less offensive, "he could actually win this thing."

"The tone and rhetoric is a major problem," he said.

"He only needs to do a combined 600,000 votes more than Romney did in four to five states. And if he does that he's the next president of the United States," O'Connell said, referring to former Republican nominee Mitt Romney's 2012 White House run.
...
Still, there is the burning question of Hispanic voters. The Hispanic vote is particularly worrisome for Trump, as he is strongly disliked by many in this crucial voting bloc after calling Mexican immigrants "rapists" and vowing to build a wall to keep out illegal immigrants from Latin America.

However, if Trump chooses former Republican candidate Marco Rubio -- the son of Cuban immigrants -- as a running mate, the Florida senator could help Trump gain enough Hispanic votes to clinch the presidency, experts say.

O'Connell said Trump would just need around 30 percent of the Hispanic vote to win the White House, adding that Rubio's Spanish language skills would also help smooth over Trump's image with Latino voters.

"Rubio speaks fluent Spanish, which means he could take on Spanish-language media (in the United States) and try to smooth over some perception issues," he said.

If Trump teams up with Rubio, he will have a shot at winning Florida, the crucial state that plays a major role in U.S. general elections, O'Connell added.

Somehow I don't see Trump with Rubio but stranger things have happened. I like Susana Martinez of NM a little better but NM isn't really a huge swing state like FL. However, Rubio did great in swing state Virginia and polls very high with people with college degrees and latinos so hmm. And yes, FL would really help to win as well.

 

[fskimospy]

The longer that Bernie stays in the game, the closer the polling will get. Like I said before, don't be surprised when more and more polling shows Trump pulling ahead of Clinton like the 5/2 Rasmussen. The momentum has just shifted and hillary is getting bent over by bernie since she banked on all those superdelegates. If she can't seal the deal and the polls turn on her, then the superdelegates could sure as shit turn on her as well. Bernie is also up on Trump a lot more than hillary, Trump supporters do not want to see Bernie in the general. That much I'll admit.

No, the polls will get modestly closer as republicans gradually fall into line. I won't be surprised at all if isolated polls here and there show trump in the lead, but the broad polling average will very likely stay with Clinton. Unlike you, I don't have to cherry pick polls from organizations with a history of bias. Also unlike you if the situation were reversed I would accept reality and say Trump was winning. Clinton is in fact outperforming Obama vs. Romney last time and that election was never actually close. You're too emotionally invested to accept reality though, or at least accept it publicly. I imagine a lot of your reluctance to take those bets people keep offering is that deep down you realize you're full of shit.

Even if you don't put your money where your mouth is (and I strongly suspect you won't) sooner or later you will have to face the fact that most people despise Donald Trump. This shouldn't be a surprise to you as he's been a ridiculous piece of shit for his entire adult life.

This realization can happen before or after the election I guess, haha. You see, reality doesn't care how hard you rage and how much you puff up your chest. It will be funny to see the avalanche of excuses that will come out of you after he loses though. I bet it will be everyone's fault but his.

 

[zinfamous]

If she's so bulletproof, why isn't she the nominee yet? Why hasn't an old man whose slogan is "Feel the Bern" conceded yet and still improbably winning states against her? Why would he be winning if all the superdelegates were rigged for him instead of Clinton? Ask yourself, do you really think that this old, losing, previously flushed turd can beat an alpha champion of the (new and improved) Republicans? She is going to get creamed, buddy. Better prepare yourself for the mental letdown sooner than later like the other 16 candidates that got scalped by Trump.

for all of your faux-beta certainty on these claims, you sure do run cowering into the corner of mommy's closet when challenged to put up.

 

[fskimospy]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-05/04/c_135333408.htm
News Analysis: Trump could beat Hillary Clinton with toned down rhetoric: experts


Somehow I don't see Trump with Rubio but stranger things have happened. I like Susana Martinez of NM a little better but NM isn't really a huge swing state like FL. However, Rubio did great in swing state Virginia and polls very high with people with college degrees and latinos so hmm. And yes, FL would really help to win as well.

Hey guys breaking news, a republican electoral consultant made a positive prediction for a republican candidate. I bet we should treat that as sober, objective analysis and not wishful thinking.

 

[zinfamous]

Hey guys breaking news, a republican electoral consultant made a positive prediction for a republican candidate. I bet we should treat that as sober, objective analysis and not wishful thinking.

breaking news: Sp33dy trolls the internet for yet another obscure and isolated opinion piece that tangentially supports his pre-conceived insanity. From China, no less!

News and Facts!

 

[ivwshane]

The "anti trump crowd" is a huge minority if you're talking about Republicans. Look at the how the voting went, did we see any "anti Trump" in the Acela Corridor states or Indiana? No, because it's a very small percentage.

Regarding Dems, not to beat a dead horse but Trump is pulling in almost twice the amount of Dems vs hillary and GOP voters. The "anti Trump" movement is dead especially since he slayed his dragon faster than hillary could slay hers. And the deck was completely stacked against Trump while it was completely stacked FOR hillary and she still can't seal the deal.

Uh you do realize Hillary has almost 2 million more popular votes than trump right? Of course you do. /S
Keep fluffing!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Oh and Bernie Sanders has less than a million less total popular votes than does trump.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Clinton ain't even the nominee yet! Sanders may even beat her, flip those superdelegates and guess who's winning by 200 champ?

Good luck with that. The nominations are effectively set at this point, as Clinton has had a decisive margin over Sanders for two months. She is dominating him in both the popular vote and delegate count. Shortly we will turn to the general election, where Clinton will absolutely crush Trump. The election is effectively already over.

 

[BxgJ]

No, the polls will get modestly closer as republicans gradually fall into line. I won't be surprised at all if isolated polls here and there show trump in the lead, but the broad polling average will very likely stay with Clinton. Unlike you, I don't have to cherry pick polls from organizations with a history of bias. Also unlike you if the situation were reversed I would accept reality and say Trump was winning. Clinton is in fact outperforming Obama vs. Romney last time and that election was never actually close. You're too emotionally invested to accept reality though, or at least accept it publicly. I imagine a lot of your reluctance to take those bets people keep offering is that deep down you realize you're full of shit.

Even if you don't put your money where your mouth is (and I strongly suspect you won't) sooner or later you will have to face the fact that most people despise Donald Trump. This shouldn't be a surprise to you as he's been a ridiculous piece of shit for his entire adult life.

This realization can happen before or after the election I guess, haha. You see, reality doesn't care how hard you rage and how much you puff up your chest. It will be funny to see the avalanche of excuses that will come out of you after he loses though. I bet it will be everyone's fault but his.

I generally agree, with one important distinction. Trump supporters note his ability to defy conventional political wisdom, while then calling on that same conventional wisdom to say that the republicans who opposed Trump will eventually fall into line, as they always have. It shouldn't be a surprise that someone who can provoke a strong positive reaction among some can also provoke a strong negative reaction among others.

I agree that many will, and the polls will tighten a bit, but it doesn't take a huge number to drastically increase the odds of a democratic victory, especially given that the electoral map favors them to begin with.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The new CNN/ORC Poll, completed ahead of Trump's victory last night, found Clinton leads 54% to 41%, a 13-point edge over the New York businessman, her largest lead since last July.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/images/05/04/rel6b.-.2016.general.pdf

So yea, this is going to be a bunch of back and forth bullshit until November and then the Tangello Fruit Roll-Up stretched over cat litter, known as Donald Trump (stolen from Chris Hardwick) will go back to doing what he does best, bloviate and host reality tv.

 

[soundforbjt]

Regarding the claims that Sanders would be winning if it wasn't rigged. If you give Bernie all the superdelegates in the states he won, he'd still be losing to Hillary.

 

[dank69]

Smart move by Trump to bring up NAFTA because nobody was already aware of that.

 

[Jaskalas]

The hillary is the most cheated on woman in the world the epitome of denial. Just imagine the bottomless pit of clinton muck and mire she will have to explain.

Explain to who? Only one channel will take her to task on any of it.
And that's debatable given how much Trump is despised.
The details only matter if the media hammers it, day-in and day-out.
More likely Trump has more explaining to do.

 

[Pens1566]

This is likely going to be a Mondale level loss.

Has spidey, er, I mean Speedy taken that bet yet?