Trump admits to attempted collusion with Russians

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alien42

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If one thing never changes, it's the fact that trump will always be his own worst enemy.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I smell pardons!

This is a critical point. There' ought to be an order to prosecutions and should think there is. If Mueller charges Jr., the Imperious One will pardon him with "not a crime" being his justification and he is the judge of all that is or is not. If I were Mueller I'd not prosecute anyone above Manafort level (who I believe will be pardoned) who may mean the slightest to Trump, such as his family.

Be patient, gather evidence and when a crushing shot at the King can be made go for it, then go after Jr and others. Pence is screwed up but I wonder if he wants to tangle with a hopefully Democratic controlled House who may look into his closet with things like his knowledge of Flynn and the like.
 

umbrella39

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lol you guys are funny.

is this what progressive statism does, enhance TDS?

You really are just embarrassing yourself at this point. Run back home and crawl back under your bed... The closer the flames get to Trump's feet, the more you are triggered from your safe space... You should probably take a look at that...
 
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BoomerD

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This is a critical point. There' ought to be an order to prosecutions and should think there is. If Mueller charges Jr., the Imperious One will pardon him with "not a crime" being his justification and he is the judge of all that is or is not. If I were Mueller I'd not prosecute anyone above Manafort level (who I believe will be pardoned) who may mean the slightest to Trump, such as his family.

Be patient, gather evidence and when a crushing shot at the King can be made go for it, then go after Jr and others. Pence is screwed up but I wonder if he wants to tangle with a hopefully Democratic controlled House who may look into his closet with things like his knowledge of Flynn and the like.

Fuck that...Mueller should build a case against all of them. Set it up so that IF Trump fires him, ALL that evidence "accidentally" gets released to the press.
 
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fskimospy

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Apparently Sekulow is also now admitting that Trump dictated the official WH response to Don Jr's meeting on Air Force One (he previously lied about it publicly but privately admitted the truth to Mueller's team.)

So yeah, the President finally admitted he's a lying piece of shit.

Lock him up.

And in his explanation he said it happened because ‘during an investigation facts develop’ as if the fact that Trump personally dictated that message was something that some intrepid sleuth needed to uncover.

You don’t need an investigation to know if your own client did something unless your client is a lying sack of shit.
 

fskimospy

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Fuck that...Mueller should build a case against all of them. Set it up so that IF Trump fires him, ALL that evidence "accidentally" gets released to the press.

I do suspect if Trump fires Mueller there will be an avalanche of ‘accidental’ leaks.
 
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Younigue

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God damn what the fuck is your problem?

Trump outright admitted to colluding and all you fuckin morons can do is shout "TDS!!!!" all day long.

How the hell do you manage to keep your multiple personalities from finding out about each other?
Trump helped them integrate their personalities in to one cult personality.
 

Jhhnn

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This is a critical point. There' ought to be an order to prosecutions and should think there is. If Mueller charges Jr., the Imperious One will pardon him with "not a crime" being his justification and he is the judge of all that is or is not. If I were Mueller I'd not prosecute anyone above Manafort level (who I believe will be pardoned) who may mean the slightest to Trump, such as his family.

Be patient, gather evidence and when a crushing shot at the King can be made go for it, then go after Jr and others. Pence is screwed up but I wonder if he wants to tangle with a hopefully Democratic controlled House who may look into his closet with things like his knowledge of Flynn and the like.

Not quite. The classic approach wrt organized crime is to work up the hierarchy, get perps to roll over, groom informants & then take on the King.

Presidential pardons complicate that but Trump's real problem is Congress, not the legal system. He can't pardon himself from impeachment & conviction. Pre-emptive pardons can easily be said to be obstruction of Justice. That's the killer.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Not quite. The classic approach wrt organized crime is to work up the hierarchy, get perps to roll over, groom informants & then take on the King.

Presidential pardons complicate that but Trump's real problem is Congress, not the legal system. He can't pardon himself from impeachment & conviction. Pre-emptive pardons can easily be said to be obstruction of Justice. That's the killer.

The last may be true just as Trump may be prosecuted while in office. Congress cannot stop Trump from pardoning and in no realistic universe can I see anyone saying "Hey you can't do that" and making that stick. Jr and everyone will walk.
 

K1052

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Firing Mueller would create a Constitutional crisis that Trump couldn't possibly survive.

This puts waaaaaaay too much faith in what will probably be a slim GOP senate majority like we have now. Literally nothing can get them to break with Trump when the prospect of tilting the judiciary to the right for generations is on the table.
 

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welp...I'm not so much believing that last part.

1. An admission that the earlier statement... about the meeting being about adoptions... was an official lie
2. Oh, yeah, we were meeting to collude!
3. Totally legal! And I knew nothing about it, anyway!
4. It wasn't me, it was my kid! Those crazy kids, can't hardly keep up with them!

One thing Mueller has probably had to learn in all this was how to do push notifications on Twitter...
 

Maxima1

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This puts waaaaaaay too much faith in what will probably be a slim GOP senate majority like we have now. Literally nothing can get them to break with Trump when the prospect of tilting the judiciary to the right for generations is on the table.

Only if the Democrats allow it. There's nothing preventing them from adding to the court, and it's one way to correct the 2016 election disaster.
 
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Jhhnn

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The last may be true just as Trump may be prosecuted while in office. Congress cannot stop Trump from pardoning and in no realistic universe can I see anyone saying "Hey you can't do that" and making that stick. Jr and everyone will walk.

Please. There's no way Rosenstein will cross that bridge & file charges against Trump. The Constitution is quite clear that a sitting President is answerable only to Congress & to their own Cabinet via the 25th amendment.

Of course Jr & Jared will skate. That's pretty much a given. I don't think Trump can survive the fallout from that, particularly if Dems take the HOR. Trump's only chance of survival is for the GOP to hold Congress.
 

K1052

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Only if the Democrats allow it. There's nothing preventing them from adding to the court, and it's one way to correct the 2016 election disaster.

The SC is important but the couple dozen lower court justices who've gotten appointments thanks to McConnell holding their positions for the last 2 years of Obama's presidency are the real game.
 

trenchfoot

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Shiiiii-et, Trump's advisers must be slamming their heads against the nearest walls right at this moment. WTF! WTF! WTF Trump? Wassamattawhi'chu?!

And his supporters are like "So what's the problem here? Trump said it's all a hoax, he said there's no collusion, why can't the media lay off of him when he's already cleared all that shit up?"

The disconnect from reality is getting progressively worse with Trump's supporters the more they realize that their guy, their savior, their idol, their cult leader who is all knowing and infallible really is the lying, back stabbing, two faced crook who made them look like the foolish idiots they were when they fell for that slick gobbed up spitball pitch he threw at them in order to finagle their votes.
 

shortylickens

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Shiiiii-et, Trump's advisers must be slamming their heads against the nearest walls right at this moment. WTF! WTF! WTF Trump? Wassamattawhi'chu?!

And his supporters are like "So what's the problem here? Trump said it's all a hoax, he said there's no collusion, why can't the media lay off of him when he's already cleared all that shit up?"

The disconnect from reality is getting progressively worse with Trump's supporters the more they realize that their guy, their savior, their idol, their cult leader who is all knowing and infallible really is the lying, back stabbing, two faced crook who made them look like the foolish idiots they were when they fell for that slick gobbed up spitball pitch he threw at them in order to finagle their votes.

I honestly think theres millions of people trying to spend decades in self-denial. When they finally wake up they are gonna be SOOO friggen scared!