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cytg111

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That would certainly complicate things in 2024. Trump on the Patriot ticket, Harris on the Democrat, and who on the Republican one... Cruz? Hawley? Going to be a weird one, if Trump goes through with it.
Oh please do.
 

Muse

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He stole from charities, do the people still contributing not understand they are helping him pay off his staggering personal debt. And he is going to need all the money he can get from these suckers....
Forbes says he owes more than the ~400 million he claims, actually something like 1 billion. But Forbes also says his estimated assets are ~3.5 billion, so 2.5 billion net worth. They detail it considerably in the linked article. How accurate it is, I cannot say. There's uncertainty involved in many of the assets, loans.

I suppose what happens for T going forward financially depends a lot on how robust the revenues are, how much he's trashed his brand or burnished it. Myself I've never paid a penny for anything involved with him knowingly and won't going forward.
Oh please do.
I have to figure that T starting a political party would mainly have the net effect of siphoning off support from the Repubs, so yeah, all in all a benficial thing for America.
 
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Muse

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That would certainly complicate things in 2024. Trump on the Patriot ticket, Harris on the Democrat, and who on the Republican one... Cruz? Hawley? Going to be a weird one, if Trump goes through with it.
Wow... Harris grew up about a mile from where I am right now. She'll be the first female VP in about 6 hours. Pres Harris?! I'm all for it. :D

Ya know, it's still possible McConnell will corral enough Senators to convict the SOB in the White House. But maybe it would be best if he doesn't. Hmm.

I swear, this is all too complicated for me. I read most of an article an hour or two ago in the NY Times about all the pardon's T gave out in the last day, what those people were charged with (and not yet charged with), and etc. etc. It's virtually impossible to comprehend the depth and scope of all that. This unlimited power of the president to pardon people is horrible. Where in the hell did that come from?
 
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NTMBK

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Wow... Harris grew up about a mile from where I am right now. She'll be VP in about 6 hours. Pres Harris?! I'm all for it. :D

Ya know, it's still possible McConnell will corral enough Senators to convict the SOB in the White House. But maybe it would be best if he doesn't. Hmm.

I swear, this is all too complicated for me. I read most of an article an hour or two ago in the NY Times about all the pardon's T gave out in the last day, what those people were charged with (and not yet charged with), and etc. etc. It's virtually impossible to comprehend the depth and scope of all that. This unlimited power of the president to pardon people is horrible. Where in the hell did that come from?
Alexander Hamilton (under a pseudonym) wrote about it back in the day: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed74.asp
 
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NWRMidnight

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Forbes says he owes more than the ~400 million he claims, actually something like 1 billion. But Forbes also says his estimated assets are ~3.5 billion, so 2.5 billion net worth. They detail it considerably in the linked article. How accurate it is, I cannot say. There's uncertainty involved in many of the assets, loans.

I suppose what happens for T going forward financially depends a lot on how robust the revenues are, how much he's trashed his brand or burnished it. Myself I've never paid a penny for anything involved with him knowingly and won't going forward.
I have to figure that T starting a political party would mainly have the net effect of siphoning off support from the Repubs, so yeah, all in all a benficial thing for America.
Is that net worth based off actual value, or Trump's inflated value?
 

Muse

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Is that net worth based off actual value, or Trump's inflated value?
Presumably actual value. You'll have to read Forbes' account, decide for yourself. I wondered the same thing and decided that Forbes, being a publication whose readers are presumably interested in business, many what might be termed "business people," there may be a bias toward overstating the actual value and not regarding assets with an unbiased eye. Yeah, that was my thought while reading it.
 

PingSpike

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Wow... Harris grew up about a mile from where I am right now. She'll be the first female VP in about 6 hours. Pres Harris?! I'm all for it. :D

Ya know, it's still possible McConnell will corral enough Senators to convict the SOB in the White House. But maybe it would be best if he doesn't. Hmm.

I swear, this is all too complicated for me. I read most of an article an hour or two ago in the NY Times about all the pardon's T gave out in the last day, what those people were charged with (and not yet charged with), and etc. etc. It's virtually impossible to comprehend the depth and scope of all that. This unlimited power of the president to pardon people is horrible. Where in the hell did that come from?
This is what I was saying in the other thread. Now that Trump is out he remains a big problem...for republicans. No idea why democrats are so excited to impeach him again since it will just unify the republicans again against the 'evil' dems. It made sense the first time, he was doing a lot of damage and it got everyone on record that they supported him. Now though? He's out. Unless impeachment can undo his appointments it seems like it has no real benefit. Now the republicans want him gone so they can have their cake and eat it too, make them clean their own house for once. Trump doesn't care about the republican party or its goals, he just wants to campaign and get money from suckers. So running a party that gets 20% of the vote and never wins would probably be fine for him.
 

Fenixgoon

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This is what I was saying in the other thread. Now that Trump is out he remains a big problem...for republicans. No idea why democrats are so excited to impeach him again since it will just unify the republicans again against the 'evil' dems. It made sense the first time, he was doing a lot of damage and it got everyone on record that they supported him. Now though? He's out. Unless impeachment can undo his appointments it seems like it has no real benefit. Now the republicans want him gone so they can have their cake and eat it too, make them clean their own house for once. Trump doesn't care about the republican party or its goals, he just wants to campaign and get money from suckers. So running a party that gets 20% of the vote and never wins would probably be fine for him.
You can't incite an insurrection with 0 consequences
 

NTMBK

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This is what I was saying in the other thread. Now that Trump is out he remains a big problem...for republicans. No idea why democrats are so excited to impeach him again since it will just unify the republicans again against the 'evil' dems. It made sense the first time, he was doing a lot of damage and it got everyone on record that they supported him. Now though? He's out. Unless impeachment can undo his appointments it seems like it has no real benefit. Now the republicans want him gone so they can have their cake and eat it too, make them clean their own house for once. Trump doesn't care about the republican party or its goals, he just wants to campaign and get money from suckers. So running a party that gets 20% of the vote and never wins would probably be fine for him.
The man is a threat to both the USA and the world, and he should be barred from ever holding office again. Fuck the political games.
 

guidryp

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This is what I was saying in the other thread. Now that Trump is out he remains a big problem...for republicans. No idea why democrats are so excited to impeach him again since it will just unify the republicans again against the 'evil' dems. It made sense the first time, he was doing a lot of damage and it got everyone on record that they supported him. Now though? He's out. Unless impeachment can undo his appointments it seems like it has no real benefit. Now the republicans want him gone so they can have their cake and eat it too, make them clean their own house for once. Trump doesn't care about the republican party or its goals, he just wants to campaign and get money from suckers. So running a party that gets 20% of the vote and never wins would probably be fine for him.
If they actually succeeded in getting a Senate conviction, that would divide Republicans, not unify them, as many desperately want Trumps base to support them, and will fight to stop the conviction.

Conviction also means Trump loses his ex-President perks, like free Security for life, paid for with taxpayer money, which Trump will no doubt milk by making security pay enormous rent in his buildings.

It's also about justice and sending a clear message, that Trump was a treasonous piece of shit. Some people have actually argued against impeachment, since it would anger his supporters more, but the IMO, the opposite is true. Whenever Trump gets justice for his crimes, he loses more of his supporters, as they see him for the criminal that he really is.
 
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