Trump’s Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton

[TraumaRN]

Rob Goldstone hires Bob Gage of New York. The Agalarovs hires Scott Balber.

Cue Oprah meme "everyone gets a lawyer!!"

 

[HomerJS]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/oh-boy-3

Um

D'OH! Looks like Donnie 2 scoops knew

 

[soundforbjt]

It's been confirmed, Trump was in the tower when the meeting took place. He had returned from an event around one-ish, the meeting was at 4:00 pm.

 

[Maxima1]

 

[vi edit]

And the brigading begins on Reddit. 10pm Moscow time must be a shift change. Reddit threads on this are getting downvoted hard.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/oh-boy-3

Um

I made it about 30 seconds. That's all I can stand from this bloated babbling baboons' ass.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Pardon the ignorance, but why is this a big deal? If I was running for any kind of office and someone offered information about my opponent, I would listen to what they had to say. It seems like we have evidence that Trump Jr. offered to listen, but did he offer anything else? Is listening a crime or something? Someone please educate me why the source of the material matters if nothing is offered in return assuming that's what took place here. If the Russians were pulling for Trump, why does that change anything in this circumstance? If the same information showed up on Trump's doorstep without having been transferred through a conversation, would it still be just as bad? I'm actually asking.

 

[KMFJD]

Eric's the smart one?

 

[soundforbjt]

Does Jr's office have video conferencing capabilities? Maybe Trump wasn't physically there...but...

 

[TraumaRN]

And the brigading begins on Reddit. 10pm Moscow time must be a shift change. Reddit threads on this are getting downvoted hard.

That and cognitive dissonance is a real SOB after this many months of indoctrination.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Pardon the ignorance, but why is this a big deal? If I was running for any kind of office and someone offered information about my opponent, I would listen to what they had to say. It seems like we have evidence that Trump Jr. offered to listen, but did he offer anything else? Is listening a crime or something? Someone please educate me why the source of the material matters if nothing is offered in return assuming that's what took place here. If the Russians were pulling for Trump, why does that change anything in this circumstance? If the same information showed up on Trump's doorstep without having been transferred through a conversation, would it still be just as bad? I'm actually asking.

If someone said the Russian government is trying to help your campaign the proper response is NO, and to contact the FBI immediately.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Pardon the ignorance, but why is this a big deal? If I was running for any kind of office and someone offered information about my opponent, I would listen to what they had to say. It seems like we have evidence that Trump Jr. offered to listen, but did he offer anything else? Is listening a crime or something? Someone please educate me why the source of the material matters if nothing is offered in return assuming that's what took place here. If the Russians were pulling for Trump, why does that change anything in this circumstance? If the same information showed up on Trump's doorstep without having been transferred through a conversation, would it still be just as bad? I'm actually asking.

Problem is it involves a cover up and lies. Trump has said on many occasions the he had no Russian aid. His people have made the same claims.

 

[OutHouse]

If someone said the Russian government is trying to help your campaign the proper response is NO, and to contact the FBI immediately.

it wasnt the russian government. so like mr dude man. i dont see what the big deal is.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Does Jr's office have video conferencing capabilities? Maybe Trump wasn't physically there...but...

Nah that involves Cyber which is like Hillarys email server plus 30k deleted emails! Lock her up!

 

[fskimospy]

Pardon the ignorance, but why is this a big deal? If I was running for any kind of office and someone offered information about my opponent, I would listen to what they had to say. It seems like we have evidence that Trump Jr. offered to listen, but did he offer anything else? Is listening a crime or something? Someone please educate me why the source of the material matters if nothing is offered in return assuming that's what took place here. If the Russians were pulling for Trump, why does that change anything in this circumstance? If the same information showed up on Trump's doorstep without having been transferred through a conversation, would it still be just as bad? I'm actually asking.

1) Trump has repeatedly stated unequivocally that there was no collusion between his campaign and the Russians. These emails show that was a lie.
2) It is a federal crime for campaigns to solicit or receive a donation of any value from a foreign entity.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

it wasnt the russian government. so like mr dude man. i dont see what the big deal is.

If it was Hillary or Obama in the past you'd see a difference

 

[soundforbjt]

If someone said the Russian government is trying to help your campaign the proper response is NO, and to contact the FBI immediately.

And Manafort a forty year campaign veteran would know this, no excuse for being newbies.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

And Manafort a forty year campaign veteran would know this, no excuse for being newbies.

Agreed, not knowing the law is not an excuse to break the law

 

[vi edit]

Pardon the ignorance, but why is this a big deal? If I was running for any kind of office and someone offered information about my opponent, I would listen to what they had to say. It seems like we have evidence that Trump Jr. offered to listen, but did he offer anything else? Is listening a crime or something? Someone please educate me why the source of the material matters if nothing is offered in return assuming that's what took place here. If the Russians were pulling for Trump, why does that change anything in this circumstance? If the same information showed up on Trump's doorstep without having been transferred through a conversation, would it still be just as bad? I'm actually asking.

Gotta take a step back and look at the overall framing and timelines here.

Some of the most important things is the total denial by the administration.
Trump: Russia never meddled in our election.
Intelligence Community: Yes they did.

Manafort: I had no connections to Russia.
Media: Yes you did. Here's a pile of evidence. Manafort resigns.
Later: Trump Administration "Manafort had a small roll in our team for a short period of time". Small role being campaign admin. Short time being all of the spring and through the securing of the RNC presidential bid.

Sessions: I had no relations or meetings with Russia.
Reality: totally had relations and meetings with Russia.

Flynn...forced to resign because of being compromised and only forced once the media put the fire under the administrations feet.

Kushner: I had no meetings or relations with Russia.
Reality: totally had relations and meetings with Russia.

Trump campaign: We had no connections or collusions with Russia. It's a witch hunt.
Trump Campain and right wing media a week ago: If there wasn't collusion...that's not a crime.

Today....emails show Manafort, Kushner, Trump Jr. actively engaged with Russia on trying to undermine another Candidate.

It's not the individual flicker of a flame that's the problem...it's the collective heat of everything that is turning this into a massive fire. Every time we turn around some other piece of information, meeting or connection pops up making all of those denials look even worse and more incriminating.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

it wasnt the russian government. so like mr dude man. i dont see what the big deal is.

Of course you don't. But you're an incredibly dishonest person intellectually. Let's check the tape shall we.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government support for Mr. Trump. I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it's ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

That right there. That's why you say no.

 

[HomerJS]

1) Trump has repeatedly stated unequivocally that there was no collusion between his campaign and the Russians. These emails show that was a lie.
2) It is a federal crime for campaigns to solicit or receive a donation of any value from a foreign entity.

Nice thing about the truth, you only need one version.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Problem is it involves a cover up and lies. Trump has said on many occasions the he had no Russian aid. His people have made the same claims.

It seems like Trump Jr. offered to listen, but nothing came of it according to the article, so how does that invalidate the claim that the Russians didn't help? Does offering to listen to someone automatically mean you've colluded with them even if you tell them nothing and they tell you nothing?

 

[MrDudeMan]

Nice thing about the truth, you only need one version.

Is a unidirectional information dump the same as a contribution? I read that as a monetary contribution.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It seems like Trump Jr. offered to listen, but nothing came of it according to the article, so how does that invalidate the claim that the Russians didn't help? Does offering to listen to someone automatically mean you've colluded with them even if you tell them nothing and they tell you nothing?

That's exactly what needs to be looked into

 

[KMFJD]

he's a little sour at Donnie Jr as well

 

[MrDudeMan]

Gotta take a step back and look at the overall framing and timelines here.

Some of the most important things is the total denial by the administration.
Trump: Russia never meddled in our election.
Intelligence Community: Yes they did.

Manafort: I had no connections to Russia.
Media: Yes you did. Here's a pile of evidence. Manafort resigns.
Later: Trump Administration "Manafort had a small roll in our team for a short period of time". Small role being campaign admin. Short time being all of the spring and through the securing of the RNC presidential bid.

Sessions: I had no relations or meetings with Russia.
Reality: totally had relations and meetings with Russia.

Flynn...forced to resign because of being compromised and only forced once the media put the fire under the administrations feet.

Kushner: I had no meetings or relations with Russia.
Reality: totally had relations and meetings with Russia.

Trump campaign: We had no connections or collusions with Russia. It's a witch hunt.
Trump Campain and right wing media a week ago: If there wasn't collusion...that's not a crime.

Today....emails show Manafort, Kushner, Trump Jr. actively engaged with Russia on trying to undermine another Candidate.

It's not the individual flicker of a flame that's the problem...it's the collective heat of everything that is turning this into a massive fire. Every time we turn around some other piece of information, meeting or connection pops up making all of those denials look even worse and more incriminating.

I see what you're saying. I suppose this still isn't the smoking gun some people are hoping for, but I agree it certainly doesn't help the Trumps at all.