Trump’s Son Met With Russian Lawyer After Being Promised Damaging Information on Clinton

[jackstar7]

Lewandowski straight up lied about where Trump was at the time of the meeting. Claimed he was in FL. It has been verified he was in the building. Possibly in the room.

Go America!

 

[fskimospy]

The interpreter isn't the problem, it's the Soviet-born former counter-intelligence official cum American immigrant lobbyist (thanks Obama?) who's the problem!

Jr. was very specific--"the Russian lawyer had no dirt to give"...But he didn't say anything about this guy having dirt on Hillary.

Who cares if Jr. was specific or not? At literally every available opportunity he has lied about this meeting so what does it matter what he's claiming now?

The only things he has to say about this meeting that I'm interested in are the things he says under oath, and that's primarily because he'll probably perjure himself.

 

[UNCjigga]

Just came back from foxnews.com--front page story was "Whodunnit? Who let the Russian lawyer into the country?" and all the comments were like "I knew it! This was an Obama setup all along! He tapped the phones!!1!"

So wait... Trump's diehard fans finally believe that Russians conspired to help Trump...but it was all a setup?? What's next--the Democrats lost the election ON PURPOSE to make life a living hell for President Trump and Republicans??

 

[xthetenth]

It is actually you that cannot handle enduring "the light", which is why you needed to put Moonbeam and a half dozen more on ignore.

Moonbeam has yet to add a valuable insight, and types preposterously long and indulgent screeds that do a poor job of what a proper sentence could accomplish. I could gain greater philosophical insight from meditating on a standards-compliant C compiler.

I see no point in listening to people who cannot make a point without being rebutted and yet cannot stop themselves from repeating that same point. They add nothing. Do you learn mathematics by adding two and two all day, or by ignoring that and moving on to an ever-increasing level of complexity that actually challenges and provokes thought?

 

[Pens1566]

Veselnitshaya speaks no English so she needed an interpreter at the least. Jr probably doesn't see an interpreter as a person.

Yeah, this was obvious (to the public) as soon as she gave her interview earlier this week. I just took it for granted that an interpreter was present.

 

[zinfamous]

Twitter and BBC
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/885595315994329090

so, as explained multiple times prior to the election, Donald Trump is a target of blackmail from the Russian Government. Full stop.

Good job, GOP voters: you own this.

 

[TraumaRN]

Yeah, this was obvious (to the public) as soon as she gave her interview earlier this week. I just took it for granted that an interpreter was present.

An interpreter with a history of hacking, who's discussed Russia sanctions in Germany with a sitting US congressman, who "developed a special expertise in running negative public-relations campaigns," and whose clients tend to be governments or high ranking government officials. You know just like every language interpreter.

Just a nothing burger

 

[Pens1566]

An interpreter with a history of hacking, who's discussed Russia sanctions in Germany with a sitting US congressman, who "developed a special expertise in running negative public-relations campaigns," and whose clients tend to be governments or high ranking government officials. You know just like every language interpreter.

Just a nothing burger

I think they are actually separate people. At least according the recent flurry of reports.

 

[zinfamous]

not sure what you mean by "the state response"

Congress currently has two committees investigating Russiagate. most Republicans are still in denial but that seems to be slowly changing.

nearly everyone is talking about it from some viewpoint.

legal consequences take time, Mueller is silent as he should be. i personally believe our democracy will win and Trump will not serve a full term.

Agreed on all of this. Mueller needs to take his time and, quite frankly, all of these leaks probably don't help the case.

As far as Trump being out before the end of the term, that seems more and more inevitable. While I think Pence needs to go, as well, as he is pretty clearly compromised in all of this (collusion as active transition head with full knowledge of the Flynn information despite publicly lying that he was lied to about Flynn), Pence probably needs to stay to fill out Donny's time. Reason being: the bloodthirsty sociopaths that the GOP has awoken from their long slumber would very likely militia up and feel that their traitorous government has been stolen from them (nearly all of Trump's remaining supporters firmly believe that he was given to them by God--you can not rationalize, in any way, with people that are this fucking deluded. They will fucking kill you in a hearbeat).

Pence remaining would help quell their taste for flesh and, if the asshole has a single shred of decency (something that has not yet been shown), he would dedicate the remaining years of this term to bringing the sociopaths on the right back into the more functional fold of useful Americans and then quietly, solemnly, step aside and refuse the GOP nomination for 2020.

Oh right: BUTTER EMAILS!

 

[TraumaRN]

@Pens1566 Sounds like one guy to me

A Russian-American lobbyist says he attended a June 2016 meeting with President Donald Trump’s son, marking another shift in the account of a discussion that was billed as part of a Russian government effort to help the Republican’s White House campaign.

Rinat Akhmetshin confirmed his participation to The Associated Press on Friday.

https://www.rferl.org/a/rinat-akmet...gton-lobbying-magnitsky-browder/27863265.html

More recently, Akhmetshin was caught up in a particularly nasty $1 billion legal fight concerning a potash-mining operation in central Russia. While a Dutch court was the main venue, the dispute spilled into U.S. courts when lawyers for one of the companies accused their counterparts of organizing a scheme to hack their computers and other communications.

The man who masterminded the scheme was Akhmetshin, according to a suit filed in November in New York state court that also accused him of being a former Soviet military intelligence officer who "developed a special expertise in running negative public-relations campaigns."

These days, most American officials would be reluctant to disclose any connection to Russia, much less a meeting with an alleged former Soviet spy whose alleged role in lobbying on behalf of Kremlin interests was recently called out by the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

But Dana Rohrabacher, a Republican representative from California, openly acknowledges such a meeting with Rinat Akhmetshin.
It lasted between 15 and 20 minutes and took place the night of April 11 in Berlin, at the lobby bar of the Westin Grand Hotel, according to two eyewitnesses and Rohrabacher.
The topic of discussion: A high-profile Russian money laundering case and related sanctions on Russia.

Just one week before the meeting, Senator Charles Grassley had written a letter to John Kelly, the Secretary of Homeland Security, describing Akhmetshin as "a Russian immigrant to the United States who has been accused of acting as an unregistered agent for Russian interests and apparently has ties to Russian intelligence." Grassley was requesting "all information" on Akhmetshin's immigration history.
Rohrabacher himself described Akhmetshin to CNN as someone with "an ulterior motive" who is "involved with people who've got an agenda" and has "international connections to different groups in Russia." When asked if he thought Akhmetshin was still connected to the Russian security services, Rohrabacher said: "I would certainly not rule that out."
Akhmetshin declined to comment for this story. He previously told Politico: "Just because I was born in Russia doesn't mean I am an agent of [the] Kremlin."
In the past, he has described his business as "strategic communications," according to a civil court filing. Akhmetshin said his clients "are national governments or high ranking officials in those governments."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/04/politics/rohrabacher-prevezon/index.html

@Pens1566

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Agreed on all of this. Mueller needs to take his time and, quite frankly, all of these leaks probably don't help the case.

As far as Trump being out before the end of the term, that seems more and more inevitable. While I think Pence needs to go, as well, as he is pretty clearly compromised in all of this (collusion as active transition head with full knowledge of the Flynn information despite publicly lying that he was lied to about Flynn), Pence probably needs to stay to fill out Donny's time. Reason being: the bloodthirsty sociopaths that the GOP has awoken from their long slumber would very likely militia up and feel that their traitorous government has been stolen from them (nearly all of Trump's remaining supporters firmly believe that he was given to them by God--you can not rationalize, in any way, with people that are this fucking deluded. They will fucking kill you in a hearbeat).

Pence remaining would help quell their taste for flesh and, if the asshole has a single shred of decency (something that has not yet been shown), he would dedicate the remaining years of this term to bringing the sociopaths on the right back into the more functional fold of useful Americans and then quietly, solemnly, step aside and refuse the GOP nomination for 2020.

Oh right: BUTTER EMAILS!

Well said however the odds are

 

[zinfamous]

Some certainly are. Many probably aren't. I suspect for most it's about situations more than identities. People (of all persuasions) who argue regularly on forums tend to be on the more irredeemable end though. Which is why these arguments are probably more about entertainment and distraction from other things, than they are about achieving anything real. For me, they are, anyway.

I think one thing is clear, that Trump getting elected is a sign that something is going wrong. The problems are bigger than one guy with entertainingly obvious psychological issues.

agreed, especially the first part. I think a very significant number of Trump voters honestly wanted something very different from the deal they had been getting over the previous 2 or 3 generations. I don't think an honest, decent person can deny them that. And of course anyone can be conned, It happens.

The problem with the other significant core of Trump supporters, is that they remain stubbornly willful about this man's "sanctity," to this day. These are the real deplorables. The proud "screw your feelings!" know-nothings that represent the decades of toxic GOP-fueled propaganda. The mindless, evangelical simpletons that have been obsoleted out of the labor force decade after decade, but are easily mollified in their sad state so long as they can be given an outside target upon which to blame all of their failure (immigrants and liberals), and a god that will forever forgive them their cold, dark, inhuman hearts (evangelical Christianity)--both of which the GOP has proudly served them an endless diet of. I can't honestly say that these are his core supporters or not, but they are a significant number. I am not sure if they are irredeemable, but they certainly are not capable of compromise. They are the ones that will react violently.

 

[zinfamous]

Just came back from foxnews.com--front page story was "Whodunnit? Who let the Russian lawyer into the country?" and all the comments were like "I knew it! This was an Obama setup all along! He tapped the phones!!1!"

So wait... Trump's diehard fans finally believe that Russians conspired to help Trump...but it was all a setup?? What's next--the Democrats lost the election ON PURPOSE to make life a living hell for President Trump and Republicans??

Yes, because this is exactly how evil democrats are: They purposely had Trump elected so that they could spend the next 4 years ragging on Trump supporters in internet forums. Is nothing sacred???

 

[SMOGZINN]

Pence remaining would help quell their taste for flesh and

Yes, this might be necessary.

if the asshole has a single shred of decency

He doesn't.

he would dedicate the remaining years of this term to bringing the sociopaths on the right back into the more functional fold of useful Americans and then quietly, solemnly, step aside and refuse the GOP nomination for 2020.

The problem is he is one of the religious sociopaths that are out for blood.
The only thing better about Pence than Trump is that Pence is a seasoned politician and knows how to play the game. Pence reminds me a lot of Nixon, while Trump has no redeeming qualities at all, he is just really rich.

 

[cytg111]

Just came back from foxnews.com--front page story was "Whodunnit? Who let the Russian lawyer into the country?" and all the comments were like "I knew it! This was an Obama setup all along! He tapped the phones!!1!"

So wait... Trump's diehard fans finally believe that Russians conspired to help Trump...but it was all a setup?? What's next--the Democrats lost the election ON PURPOSE to make life a living hell for President Trump and Republicans??

I must believe that that base is shrinking... it cant be ~50% anymore.

also

 

[woolfe9998]

Who cares if Jr. was specific or not? At literally every available opportunity he has lied about this meeting so what does it matter what he's claiming now?

The only things he has to say about this meeting that I'm interested in are the things he says under oath, and that's primarily because he'll probably perjure himself.

Yup, what amazes me is how conservatives will conveniently forget his repeated lies, and now hang on every word of his current spin like it's the Gospel. None of the Trumps has the slightest credibility. What they say may be of interest for a variety of reasons, but none of them are that it has any chance of being true.

 

[Pens1566]

@Pens1566 Sounds like one guy to me



https://www.rferl.org/a/rinat-akmet...gton-lobbying-magnitsky-browder/27863265.html





http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/04/politics/rohrabacher-prevezon/index.html

@Pens1566

I think Donny Jr's attorney is now saying that it was Veselnetskiya, the interpreter, AND the lobbyist rumored to be Akhmetshin. He's called NBC to clarify that the person he was referring to was separate. So, a 6th person.

 

[HomerJS]

Just came back from foxnews.com--front page story was "Whodunnit? Who let the Russian lawyer into the country?" and all the comments were like "I knew it! This was an Obama setup all along! He tapped the phones!!1!"

So wait... Trump's diehard fans finally believe that Russians conspired to help Trump...but it was all a setup?? What's next--the Democrats lost the election ON PURPOSE to make life a living hell for President Trump and Republicans??

Un fucking believable. Fox is now lying by blaming this on Obama administration and these people? Is their audience really this stupid??

 

[woolfe9998]

@Pens1566 Sounds like one guy to me



https://www.rferl.org/a/rinat-akmet...gton-lobbying-magnitsky-browder/27863265.html





http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/04/politics/rohrabacher-prevezon/index.html

@Pens1566

According to the article below, Veselnitskaya was accompanied by two people, one a translator, and the other, the person described above.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...donald-trump-jr-and-russian-lawyer/ar-BBEohDq

For those who didn't read the long articles posted above, this guy is currently a Russian lobbyist, but formerly a Russian counter-intelligence agent with suspected current ties to the Russian government.

 

[TheVrolok]

Un fucking believable. Fox is now lying by blaming this on Obama administration and these people? Is their audience really this stupid??

Yes.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Un fucking believable. Fox is now lying by blaming this on Obama administration and these people? Is their audience really this stupid??

You find it hard to believe that Fox is lying to it's viewers? The same viewers who are usually the most woefully informed on anything?

 

[disappoint]

Moonbeam has yet to add a valuable insight, and types preposterously long and indulgent screeds that do a poor job of what a proper sentence could accomplish. I could gain greater philosophical insight from meditating on a standards-compliant C compiler.

I see no point in listening to people who cannot make a point without being rebutted and yet cannot stop themselves from repeating that same point. They add nothing. Do you learn mathematics by adding two and two all day, or by ignoring that and moving on to an ever-increasing level of complexity that actually challenges and provokes thought?

I happen to like long and indulgent far more than the sound bites we usually get from politicians. Maybe that is just me. To each their own I guess.

As for being repetitious, maybe that is because "2+2" always equals "4", and there are those that deny such evident truths to themselves and then try to pass on the falsehoods they cling to onto others. His generous gift of spending time telling that to those that don't get it yet should be rewarded rather than punished.

 

[Pens1566]

According to the article below, Veselnitskaya was accompanied by two people, one a translator, and the other, the person described above.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...donald-trump-jr-and-russian-lawyer/ar-BBEohDq

For those who didn't read the long articles posted above, this guy is currently a Russian lobbyist, but formerly a Russian counter-intelligence agent with suspected current ties to the Russian government.

And there is really no such thing as "former" agent.

 

[hal2kilo]

Un fucking believable. Fox is now lying by blaming this on Obama administration and these people? Is their audience really this stupid??

Yes.

 

[Commodus]

Agreed on all of this. Mueller needs to take his time and, quite frankly, all of these leaks probably don't help the case.

As far as Trump being out before the end of the term, that seems more and more inevitable. While I think Pence needs to go, as well, as he is pretty clearly compromised in all of this (collusion as active transition head with full knowledge of the Flynn information despite publicly lying that he was lied to about Flynn), Pence probably needs to stay to fill out Donny's time. Reason being: the bloodthirsty sociopaths that the GOP has awoken from their long slumber would very likely militia up and feel that their traitorous government has been stolen from them (nearly all of Trump's remaining supporters firmly believe that he was given to them by God--you can not rationalize, in any way, with people that are this fucking deluded. They will fucking kill you in a hearbeat).

Pence remaining would help quell their taste for flesh and, if the asshole has a single shred of decency (something that has not yet been shown), he would dedicate the remaining years of this term to bringing the sociopaths on the right back into the more functional fold of useful Americans and then quietly, solemnly, step aside and refuse the GOP nomination for 2020.

Oh right: BUTTER EMAILS!

The sad thing is, the American right wing has been building up this "we're entitled to rule" mindset for a while. I believe it started after 9/11, when the right was convinced that only they could fight terrorism, and was made worse over time. A so-so 2004 Democrat campaign and Karl Rove fearmongering gave Bush Jr. a second term that reinforced the notion the Republicans were meant to lead... and of course, when the Republicans lost in 2008 to a black man with a foreign-sounding name, supporters lost their everloving minds. It was easy for Fox News, Limbaugh and others to portray Obama as some kind of horrible outside usurper, and the GOP fed into that by openly declaring their policy as "whatever Obama is for, we're against." The result: millions of people who believe that Republican rule was 'stolen' from them.

So when Obama's term is up and the Republican candidate is someone who both spent years pandering to that Obama-is-an-outsider myth and indulges all the right's wet dream fantasies (brown people are to blame for all your problems! Climate change isn't real!)... well, they flock to him in droves. If Trump is removed before 2020, you'll get a vicious backlash because his supporters see him as restoring the 'natural' order of things... that is, an eternal Republican dictatorship.