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Troy Davis execution

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Inspector Jihad said:
you mean the state with a larger economy, more political clout and cultural output than the entire country of australia?
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Similar things were said about the Roman Empire 2000 years ago, but justice wasn't one of their virtues. Far from it.

It's the South, guys, where the death penalty machine satisfies the self righteous and serves the ruling class as an element of propaganda. It doesn't matter how much it costs or if the innocent are executed on occasion- it's emotionally satisfying to the plebes and a point of pride in their leaders. this sums it up-

It takes balls to execute an innocent man.
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http://gawker.com/5827428/rick-perrys-killing-of-an-innocent-man-is-somehow-a-political-asset

There's your cultural output.
 
Macamus Prime said:
I wonder where the rest of the southern trash is to scream and yell about racist comments?

Oh yeah, inbred vomit looks after it's own.
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What is racist about stating facts. I did not state opinion. I backed it up with numbers that are quite alarming.
As for Raleigh, NC. Get a fucking clue. Consistently ranked as the top or near the top of cities to live. There are not too many trailer parks in Raleigh, NC.
 
I always find it interesting that so many people don't trust the government to administer an after school program, but have no problem with trusting it to kill your fellow citizens.
 
eskimospy said:
I always find it interesting that so many people don't trust the government to administer an after school program, but have no problem with trusting it to kill your fellow citizens.
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It's part of the American Good Old Boy's agenda to get a race war started:
- the kids aren't kept off the streets
- they get involved in crime
- they are then executed for their crimes
 
xj0hnx said:
And they weren't ranting and raving about Brewer being executed either 🙄

Your whole spiel about Fox talking heads and cheering Tea Partiers is a bunch of bullshit anyway. Why would they have to figure out a way to spin a black man being executed for killing cop, since according to you idiots they are all a bunch of racist anyway.



Don't be jealous little girl, go play in the rain.



99% of what Craig234 says on these forums are are lies, the other 1% no one can remember.



Actually, it is a forensic science, as much as any other forensic science.
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Oh yeah it's clearly bullshit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xT1iMvTwYI
 
RocksteadyDotNet said:
Wow, that's some awsome data you have there.

One guys said something so that must mean Australians believe in capital punishment.

Dumbass...
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Funny that all the Aussies I worked with in SE Asia (Indonesia, Singapore, and Philippines) supported the death penalty and absolutely wanted it for the Bali bombers.
 
eskimospy said:
I always find it interesting that so many people don't trust the government to administer an after school program, but have no problem with trusting it to kill your fellow citizens.
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Well since its not the government, but rather a jury of your peers that finds you guilty your comment is nonsense. Sure, prison officials carry out the actual deed but they don't make the decision of guilt/innocence. Liberals are all for the people, until they make a decision that puts a criminal to death.
 
xBiffx said:
Well since its not the government, but rather a jury of your peers that finds you guilty your comment is nonsense. Sure, prison officials carry out the actual deed but they don't make the decision of guilt/innocence. Liberals are all for the people, until they make a decision that puts a criminal to death.
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Huh, and here I thought the judicial branch was part of the government. Now I know better! Any more nuggets of civics wisdom you want to bestow upon us?
 
eskimospy said:
Uhhhhh.... yes? Are you being serious right now?
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Wrong, a jury is an independent body that acts on behalf of the judicial branch as a representative of the people. They are not a part of the government since they are representatives of the people. You cannot be "the people" and "the goverment" however you can act on behalf of the government or a branch of it. This is the entire basis of our justice system, where the people decide the fate of other citizens during a trial by jury, not the government. The government's role is to simply see that the will of the people is carried out.
 
pcgeek11 said:
" But his conviction was based on eye witness accounts and no physical evidence. Through the years, some of the witnesses have walked back their testimony and doubts have emerged about the case."

In my opinion why would numerous Eye Witness' testify in the original trial and have the man convicted if they didn't see him do it? It was 22 years ago and I think that some of them have clouded memories due to time. As stated earlier 10 witness' saw it happen and now they say they didn't? It doesn't make any sense.

That is why they shouldn't let these things drag on for 20+ years.
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There was physical evidence it just wasn't allowed in court. Police found Davis' shorts with blood stains that matched the victim, but the evidence was dismissed because the police did not have a warrant to search and take his belongings.

There is so much that the media is skewing about this case, it's unbelievable and since most folks only get their info from the media, it's no wonder that many are siding with Davis.
 
old habits die hard in the rascist south.

If Troy Davis was a white male or even a white female everything else remaining constant.....this doesn't happen. Plain and simple.
 
xBiffx said:
Wrong, a jury is an independent body that acts on behalf of the judicial branch as a representative of the people. They are not a part of the government since they are representatives of the people. You cannot be "the people" and "the goverment" however you can act on behalf of the government or a branch of it. This is the entire basis of our justice system, where the people decide the fate of other citizens during a trial by jury, not the government. The government's role is to simply see that the will of the people is carried out.
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Wait, so you're being serious? You don't think that juries are acting as part of the judicial branch? Everyone in the courtroom is a representative of the people, the prosecutor is pushing the case on behalf of the people, etc, etc. There isn't some separate 'people's decision', the guarantee of the Constitution is that when you are being judged it will be by a group of people who are your peers, not that you are judged by 'the people'.

Where are you getting this idea that the people whom the court summons, swears into service, and then pays are not part of the judicial branch of government? Do you have any links or citations for this somewhat novel concept?
 
IceBergSLiM said:
old habits die hard in the rascist south.

If Troy Davis was a white male or even a white female everything else remaining constant.....this doesn't happen. Plain and simple.
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How about the racist north? Racism is just as pervasive in the north as the south.
 
IceBergSLiM said:
old habits die hard in the rascist south.

If Troy Davis was a white male or even a white female everything else remaining constant.....this doesn't happen. Plain and simple.
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Hmmmm, the majority of the board that denied him Clemency was black.

How do you splain that Lucy?
 
dmcowen674 said:
Awwww thank you.

If we killed "criminal" people faster don't you think there would be less criminals?

Having no deterrent works real well. 🙄

I think we should bring back public hangings in the town square.
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Oh, you think executions deter crime. Guess you are that stupid.

When you say "criminal" people, does that include that you think are guilty enough, or is there some sort of sliding standard here. How long should people be able to prove their innocence before worthless people like you decide its time? Maybe we should start hanging people who damage a government network with unauthorized software, good job on that by the way.
 
xBiffx said:
Wrong, a jury is an independent body that acts on behalf of the judicial branch as a representative of the people. They are not a part of the government since they are representatives of the people. You cannot be "the people" and "the goverment" however you can act on behalf of the government or a branch of it. This is the entire basis of our justice system, where the people decide the fate of other citizens during a trial by jury, not the government. The government's role is to simply see that the will of the people is carried out.
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Who decides what charges are filed, what sentencing enhancements, death vs. LWOP? The DA's office. Who decides what evidence the jury gets to see in the first place, and instructs the jury in how to apply the law to the facts? Judges. Who decides if a trial was fair and whether ir needs to be overturned? Appellate judges. Who makes the laws that criminals are prosecuted under, defines all the elements, determines what are mitigating and aggravating factors, what circumstances qualify for the death penalty which don't? Legislatures. WHo gathers all the evidence, decides what witnesses to interview and which not, what issues are initially relevant and which not? The cops.

Reducing everything to the jury is plain wrong. Eskimospy has a point. You guys won't trust a single person in government to do the slightest thing correctly, but you'll trust it to have a 100% accuracy in criminal convictions resulting in the death penalty and you seem to profess no doubt whatsoever about it. Government institutions are apparently at or near perfect in ascertaining the guilt or innocence of criminals, but totally unable to do anything else correctly.
 
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pcgeek11 said:
How about the racist north? Racism is just as pervasive in the north as the south.
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Really? Do you know the last state in the US ro revoke laws banning interracial marriage? Alabama. Guess how long it took them? Until just before the year 2000! Even then 55% of Republicans were opposed to revoking.
 
woolfe9999 said:
Who decides what charges are filed, what sentencing enhancements, death vs. LWOP? The DA's office. Who decides what evidence the jury gets to see in the first place, and instructs the jury in how to apply the law to the facts? Judges. Who decides if a trial was fair and whether ir needs to be overturned? Appellate judges. Who makes the laws that criminals are prosecuted under, defines all the elements, determines what are mitigating and aggravating factors, what circumstances qualify for the death penalty which don't? Legislatures.

Reducing everything to the jury is plain wrong. Eskimospy has a point. You guys won't trust a single person in government to do the slightest thing correctly, but you'll trust it to have a 100% accuracy in criminal convictions resulting in the death penalty and you profess no doubt whatsoever it.
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Don't put this on me, I have zero "trust" in the jury system as it is made up of people, who make mistakes. I was simply trying to point out that, as far as government is concerned, an after school program is just a little bit different to a trial. Anyways, I wouldn't use the word "trust" in the case of people who defend juries, its more "faith". Much in the same way global warming fanatics have "faith" that they are right. In this case the same can be said in that global warmists (?) have faith that they are 100% correct and "profess no doubt whatsoever about it". But that's another issue and I will not muddy the waters of this thread with it anymore.
 
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