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Troy Davis execution

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Leon said:
Japan isn't civilized?
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That's a good question after their behavior in WWII, but putting that aside, you're right they execute; but for much narrower crimes.

Wiki says, generally "imposed in cases of multiple murders involving aggravating factors." They execute fewer than ten prisoners annually, a fraction of Texas.
 
alphatarget1 said:
I'm fundamentally against capital punishment simply because how flawed our justice system is and I think we needlessly put innocent people to death.

With that said, I don't know what to think of Troy Davis. Apparently he was also convicted of shooting someone earlier that night of the cop killing?

I have a big problem with this case:

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...ution-stayed-in-Montgomery-County-2082425.php

Basically the victim is scientifically proven to have died AFTER the guy has been in bars. Texas is still trying to execute him.
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There are a lot of problem death penalty cases in Texas.
 
Craig234 said:
That's a good question after their behavior in WWII, but putting that aside, you're right they execute; but for much narrower crimes.

Wiki says, generally "imposed in cases of multiple murders involving aggravating factors." They execute fewer than ten prisoners annually, a fraction of Texas.
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So it's ok that they "murder" criminals, just as long as it's for "narrower" crimes? lol. 🙄
 
Craig234 said:
That's a good question after their behavior in WWII, but putting that aside, you're right they execute; but for much narrower crimes.

Wiki says, generally "imposed in cases of multiple murders involving aggravating factors." They execute fewer than ten prisoners annually, a fraction of Texas.
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The number of people getting death sentences has lessened dramatically since 2007/2008. Once the system catches up, the number of death sentences carried out will be a fraction of what they have been. Even this year Texas will execute 15. Less than half of some years in the early 2000s.
 
" But his conviction was based on eye witness accounts and no physical evidence. Through the years, some of the witnesses have walked back their testimony and doubts have emerged about the case."

In my opinion why would numerous Eye Witness' testify in the original trial and have the man convicted if they didn't see him do it? It was 22 years ago and I think that some of them have clouded memories due to time. As stated earlier 10 witness' saw it happen and now they say they didn't? It doesn't make any sense.

That is why they shouldn't let these things drag on for 20+ years.
 
Craig234 said:
That's a good question after their behavior in WWII, but putting that aside, you're right they execute; but for much narrower crimes.

Wiki says, generally "imposed in cases of multiple murders involving aggravating factors." They execute fewer than ten prisoners annually, a fraction of Texas.
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Murders in Japan in 2010 - 1,097
Population 127 million

Murders in Texas in 2010 - 1,249
Population 25 million
17 executions in 2010

Seems like they need to execute a lot more

1991 - 2,652 murders in texas
 
xj0hnx said:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/2...inmate-troy-davis-to-file-last-minute-appeal/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/20/georgia-board-denies-clemency-for-troy-davis/

Moron 🙄
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If you turn on your reading comprehension hat, I didn't mention websites. They are just carrying the newsfeeds.

My contention is the loudmouth talking heads haven't figured out yet how to spin this in a way to please their base because of doubts in this case and the GOPs blood thirsty reaction to executions.
 
They sent out a black women to give the news, Troy Davis is dead.

I bet she is not the person normally making these public statements
 
pcgeek11 said:
" But his conviction was based on eye witness accounts and no physical evidence. Through the years, some of the witnesses have walked back their testimony and doubts have emerged about the case."

In my opinion why would numerous Eye Witness' testify in the original trial and have the man convicted if they didn't see him do it? It was 22 years ago and I think that some of them have clouded memories due to time. As stated earlier 10 witness' saw it happen and now they say they didn't? It doesn't make any sense.

That is why they shouldn't let these things drag on for 20+ years.
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Eye witness testimony is the WORST form of evidence. Its also the easiest for police to manipulate.

There was a case in west Texas, where the eye witness who wasn't even at the crime scene at the time she said she was still believes she was there and saw the suspects.

It took 15 years for the two guys to get released. They won on ineffective counsel, even though there was plenty of evidence of police and prosecutorial misconduct(photo line ups with just 1 photo, failing to give defense evidence of a shoe print at the scene that was exculpatory). They had 30+ day long civil suit which they ultimately lost. They aren't receiving compensation from Texas because the DA was a coward instead of having a new trial which would have been dismissed, he sought a new indictment knowing full well what he was doing. He got a no bill which means they were never legally exonerated, even though all the evidence shows they weren't the ones that committed the crime.

West Texas based on its population, has an extremely high rate of death penalty exonerations.

I got a little off track. But again, eye witness testimony is terrible, unreliable, and easily manipulated. There are plenty of scientific studies that show this.

We do not know the full story in this case but since it was so long ago, I can easily assume the police manipulated the eye witnesses. It happened all the fucking time back then.
 
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Witnesses placed Davis at the crime scene and identified him as the shooter. Shell casings were linked to an earlier shooting that Davis was convicted of.

So there is some physical evidence.
 
i was rummaging through CNN but their search feature sucks.

anyway, i read the article on troy davis. CNN was also ran an article on some other dude sentenced to death but was able to appeal like 3x and ultimately was granted clemency.

given that several witnesses have recanted their statements in Davis' case, I have to wonder why people aren't willing to stay the execution.


from NPR:
Through the years, some of the witnesses have walked back their testimony and doubts have emerged about the case.

So much so that the Supreme Court gave Davis a chance to prove his innocence.
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I thought the justice system was supposed to be "innocent until proven guilty"?
 
Wreckem said:
Eye witness testimony is the WORST form of evidence. Its also the easiest for police to manipulate.
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To be fair, eyewitness testimony is horribly unreliable yet convincing - but I think nearly all the problem is 'innocent', not 'police manipulation'.

We do not know the full story in this case but since it was so long ago, I can easily assume the police manipulated the eye witnesses. It happened all the fucking time back then.
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Ya, when you look at history, there pretty clearly were a lot more 'shortcuts' taken to 'justice', some cultural, some just not understanding things like the science.

If anyone hasn't seen the 60 Minutes piece on eyewitness testimony, watch it:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/06/60minutes/main4848039.shtml
 
Wreckem said:
The number of people getting death sentences has lessened dramatically since 2007/2008. Once the system catches up, the number of death sentences carried out will be a fraction of what they have been. Even this year Texas will execute 15. Less than half of some years in the early 2000s.
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Sadly, I smell an attack on Perry for that coming.
 
Craig234 said:
To be fair, eyewitness testimony is horribly unreliable yet convincing - but I think nearly all the problem is 'innocent', not 'police manipulation'.



Ya, when you look at history, there pretty clearly were a lot more 'shortcuts' taken to 'justice', some cultural, some just not understanding things like the science.

If anyone hasn't seen the 60 Minutes piece on eyewitness testimony, watch it:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/06/60minutes/main4848039.shtml
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I don't know. Considering that up until the mid 1990s there were still police departments using improper procedures to get witness id's I'd say there was a lot of police manipulation going on during the 1980s and early 1990s.

Even when following proper procedure, eye witness testimony is still unreliable. Improper procedure just compounded the problem. I am highly skeptical of ANY conviction based on eye witness testimony from the 1980s and early 1990s.
 
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Wreckem said:
I don't know. Considering that up until the mid 1990s there were still police departments using improper procedures to get witness id's I'd say there was a lot of police manipulation going on during the 1980s and early 1990s.

I am highly skeptical of ANY conviction based on eye witness testimony from the 1980s and early 1990s.

And even then, following proper procedure, eye witness testimony is still unreliable.
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I'm distinguishing between flawed procedures the police didn't know were flawed that caused false id's, and the police using procedures to intentionally cause a false id.
 
Craig234 said:
I'm distinguishing between flawed procedures the police didn't know were flawed that caused false id's, and the police using procedures to intentionally cause a false id.
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Thats the problem though. It was known in the mid to late 1980s that certain procedures were flawed. Many many police departments still used them and pleaded ignorance until the mid 1990s. And even if they didn't know it was flawed, they should have known some of the procedures they were using were flawed.

Police use flawed methods, knowing they are flawed, until a court says it violates due process. Thats how it has always been.
 
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Fenixgoon said:
i was rummaging through CNN but their search feature sucks.

anyway, i read the article on troy davis. CNN was also ran an article on some other dude sentenced to death but was able to appeal like 3x and ultimately was granted clemency.

given that several witnesses have recanted their statements in Davis' case, I have to wonder why people aren't willing to stay the execution.




I thought the justice system was supposed to be "innocent until proven guilty"?
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Innocent until proven guilty only applies until you have a conviction. Once you have a final conviction innocence is no longer assumed.
 
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