Trivia: Congratulations humanity for causing it. Congrats to Republicans fighting against fixing it. What is it?

[Roger Wilco]

Is that end of days I am looking at? Within a decade or so?

Things appear to be breaking quicker than anticipated.

 

[APU_Fusion]

This is a Chinese Hoax … we know it is true because our Lord and Savior God King said it was so …. The weather forecasts are woke. the weather forecasters are woke, catalytic converters are woke, Climatologists are woke. Electric vehicles are woke. Renewable energy is woke, the Coral reefs were woke, ocean currents are and soon to be were! Yes! woke. ”Merica don’t need all that woke.


Go woke, go extinct …. … wait

 

[cytg111]

Things appear to be breaking quicker than anticipated.

At some point its gonna snowball and I dont mean the actual climate effect, I mean the population centers that suddenly dont have access to food security that breaks out wars that send migration sky rocketing that ends up on all our door steps. Shit Im moving to Island.

 

[fleshconsumed]

This summer has been kind of brutal on the country, and especially the south. Even Illinois up north is facing 90 degree heatwave this week. At this rate I fully expect climate refugee migration from Florida, Texas, and deep South to start within a decade. It's going to be a small trickle at first, but between more and more extreme heat, humidity, more and more devastating hurricanes, and insurance rates going through the roof, I just don't see people staying put. To be honest, Disney would be smart to start expanding Disneyland in California for the inevitable time within next 50 years when Disneyworld will become intolerable due to climate change.

 

[HomerJS]

This is a Chinese Hoax … we know it is true because our Lord and Savior God King said it was so …. The weather forecasts are woke. the weather forecasters are woke, catalytic converters are woke, Climatologists are woke. Electric vehicles are woke. Renewable energy is woke, the Coral reefs were woke, ocean currents are and soon to be were! Yes! woke. ”Merica don’t need all that woke.


Go woke, go extinct …. … wait

Conservatives dismiss this despite the evidence, yet they accepted Trump personally redrawing a hurricane forecast map created by NOAA.

 

[Jaskalas]

Things appear to be breaking quicker than anticipated.

Something has gotta give for the poles to be ice free in the summer.
These spiked temps pave the way.

 

[sportage]

I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Even though its hot outside, and today we can just stay inside and turn up the air, however that simple solution may not be available next time around.
While the extreme temps can appear as a minimal inconvenience for us humans, I wonder what damage this heat is doing to this earth that is nothing but minimal?

Could the excessive surface heat trigger massive earthquakes in the near future? The big one where CA falls into the ocean? Or what about Yellowstone? Predictions of a cataclysmic event in Yellowstone just may get the nudge it needs from this heat.
And what about deadly plagues? No one really knows what caused Covid. Could Covid have emerged from climate oddities? Could this heat trigger new plagues and disease in the future? Could the Covid of 2020 be only a warning of plagues to come?

Boy it's hot outside. An inconvenience at most, and for most, however it's the tomorrows that I wonder about. Obviously, considering the huge climate change denial going on, and the republican presidential hopefuls resurrecting that old phrase DRILL BABY DRILL as the solution to our woes, I truly doubt the link and connections can be made. Climate equals consequences, and typically those consequences are not pretty to watch let alone to survive.
Let's put it this way..... Do we really want THIS to be our enviable destiny?

 

[Zorba]

Redundant, was already talking about the South.
I never heard wet bulb until here and now, in this topic.
It makes no sense. Something under 90 degrees will never be a deadly heat wave.

Now... the South is hot and humid every summer. But they're talking numbers that are WELL below expectations for anything of note.

To clarify, I am asking, what is this?

If evaporative cooling where perfectly efficient (which is isn't), the coolest it can get you is the wet bulb temperature. If the wet bulb is 98 you literally could not cool yourself, even in the shade, with a fan and you could die of heat stroke sitting in a chair.

 

[Zorba]

That's the whole point. An average 'hot, humid' day in Louisiana (today, for instance) is 97, with 56% humidity. Water absorbs a lot of energy so if it's more humid, it tends to be a little cooler, so on Sunday when it's going to be 71% humidity, it's only going to be 88. That's the principal behind swamp coolers for instance. Now per this calculator, today's wet bulb temp is 83.72f, pretty unpleasant but quite survivable if you are drinking water/hitting the shade some. Sunday will be 80.22, so even better.

Now for heat index, per this calculator, today's heat index is 115. Sunday is 101. That's where those higher values start coming from.

The values we're referencing for a wet bulb event happen around 100f at 85% humidity. That's a wet bulb of 95.8f, neither the 100f or 96f there 'sound' scary, but the heat index is 167f. You've got supersaturated air that's so goddamn hot you may as well be bathing in a pot of boiling water for all the help it'll be cooling you. For additional reference, you get roughly the same wet bulb event at 97f/90% humidity, 96f/95% humidity, and swinging the other way, 101f at 80%, 103f at 75%, 105f at 70%, and 107f at 65%. You can infer the sliding curve from there I imagine.

One thing to note, air holds a lot more water as it gets hotter so 90% humidity at 90F would have the same amount of water as 75% humidity at 100F. However, all the humidity also acts as a greenhouse gas and keeps the night time temperatures higher, preventing as much moisture from dropping out as dew.

 

[akugami]

What a great time for Gov. Abbot to override local ordinances and ban water breaks for construction workers. Good thing Biden came in with new federal OSHA requirements.

Worry not dear friends, conservatives are working hard to castrate OSHA. They're already working hard to overturn OSHA vaccine rules. This is just a stepping stone to remove other safety regulations and effectively make OSHA toothless. Then they'll use that as an excuse to just disband OSHA.

 

[sportage]

My Q-sister made an interesting observation. That the high heat and warming trends in so many cities could be from.... cement.
So much land has been replaced by cement via more construction, more roads, more storage units (ever noticed the massive size of those slabs of cement used to build just one storage unit ???).
Seriously, I think she is on to something.

We are hearing how the cement sidewalks and walkways are getting so hot that just sitting down can burn your skin right through your clothes. And I watched one lady on CNN saying that the bottoms of her shoes were actually melting just from walking on the hot sidewalks. They were measuring the temps of a sidewalk in the heat and it measured 170 F to 180 F. Much hotter than the air temp.

I have been bike riding after sunset on the trails. Some of the trail runs under an overpass, under a bridge. Biking under a cement overpass in this heat feels like hitting a furnace blast. Cement definitely holds heat and gives off heat long after the sun has set.

Could this increase in replacing dirt and grass with cement and concrete possibly be a major factor for the rise in temperatures? Could all of this new construction, all of this new cement act like installing hundreds of furnaces across the city thus affecting the atmosphere? Affecting the air temperatures?

I absolutely believe it is the case and a major contributor to hotter cities. And thats not Q talking, thats just basic science. Concrete absorbs heat from the sun, amplifying the heat, and gives off that heat slowly long after the sun has set.
You can touch the cement pillar of any overpass hours after sunset and that pillar will still feel very warm if not actually hot.
Now folks, that has to be one of the big reasons for hotter climate. Hotter cities. Hotter air. All that cement, all that new construction, all of those man-made cement furnaces out there blasting away. It just makes sense.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

My Q-sister made an interesting observation. That the high heat and warming trends in so many cities could be from.... cement.
So much land has been replaced by cement via more construction, more roads, more storage units (ever noticed the massive size of those slabs of cement used to build just one storage unit ???).
Seriously, I think she is on to something.

We are hearing how the cement sidewalks and walkways are getting so hot that just sitting down can burn your skin right through your clothes. And I watched one lady on CNN saying that the bottoms of her shoes were actually melting just from walking on the hot sidewalks. They were measuring the temps of a sidewalk in the heat and it measured 170 F to 180 F. Much hotter than the air temp.

I have been bike riding after sunset on the trails. Some of the trail runs under an overpass, under a bridge. Biking under a cement overpass in this heat feels like hitting a furnace blast. Cement definitely holds heat and gives off heat long after the sun has set.

Could this increase in replacing dirt and grass with cement and concrete possibly be a major factor for the rise in temperatures? Could all of this new construction, all of this new cement act like installing hundreds of furnaces across the city thus affecting the atmosphere? Affecting the air temperatures?

I absolutely believe it is the case and a major contributor to hotter cities. And thats not Q talking, thats just basic science. Concrete absorbs heat from the sun, amplifying the heat, and gives off that heat slowly long after the sun has set.
You can touch the cement pillar of any overpass hours after sunset and that pillar will still feel very warm if not actually hot.
Now folks, that has to be one of the big reasons for hotter climate. Hotter cities. Hotter air. All that cement, all that new construction, all of those man-made cement furnaces out there blasting away. It just makes sense.

Cement contributes to the localized feeling of heat, esp in a city, but it does not contribute heat to the atmosphere beyond the co2 requirements of manufacturing it. Cement transfers heat easily so it actually extracts heat from the atmosphere (briefly) before emitting it through the cooler times (night).

 

[UNCjigga]

Weird—in the news I was just reading about the urban “heat island” effect which does contribute to higher air temps and not just “feels like” temperatures. Cement, asphalt, aluminum and steel are all responsible. Add in vehicle exhaust, transformers, industrial activity too. It’s a big reason why Phoenix stayed above 110 degrees for 25+ days while Tucson did not.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Weird—in the news I was just reading about the urban “heat island” effect which does contribute to higher air temps and not just “feels like” temperatures. Cement, asphalt, aluminum and steel are all responsible. Add in vehicle exhaust, transformers, industrial activity too. It’s a big reason why Phoenix stayed above 110 degrees for 25+ days while Tucson did not.

To clarify, yes the temperature increases because of several factors. You've got glass reflecting uv radiation, cement absorbing and emitting heat, you have vehicle engines, air conditioners, etc. Those contribute to concentration of energy and increased temperatures (real and 'feels like') in cities but it does not mean that the global temperature are not rising. It also doesn't mean that cities are going to be the hottest locations... Just generally expected to be a few degrees warmer than nearby undeveloped areas (microclimates notwithstanding).

 

[Stokely]

If most of the scientists are right, this is nothing. None of us posting will see the worst of it. We need to hope they are wrong, or some magic tech is developed/is sent down by friendly aliens, or it's going to be dire.

I have kids, have friends and relatives with kids and care about humanity in general, so yeah this is a big worry. It's also pretty much a decider in voting if I needed one (which I frankly don't....there isn't a topic in which I agree with Republicans on). In other words, even if I disagreed with Dems on every other issue I still might vote for them based on the fact that they aren't denying climate change.

Even if we and the rest of the species were able to cope with the f-ef up environment, covid taught me one thing--our society is very, very fragile. We couldn't pull together for a relatively minor (in the sense of, it didn't kill 50% of us) pandemic. There were supply issues that still persist in some cases. The chances that we are going to come out of a really messed up world with a society that doesn't resemble that out of Mad Max I think is very low. Humans are selfish, tribal, fear-ridden apes when you get right down to it.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

it's going to be dire

You could have stopped there. We've been clamoring for an easy/less easy/complicated/expensive solution for a hundred years and we've got little to show for it. High probability we start facing overwhelmingly difficult situations, followed by something incredibly stupid within the next half century.

 

[IronWing]

Early global warming deniers tried to claim that the apparent warming was an artifact of the urban heat island effect. The argument was that most of the temperature records were from urbanized areas and as cities grew, the heat island effect was being documented, not global warming. This was easily proven incorrect as records existed from remote locations.

While Phoenix has a more pronounced heat island effect than Tucson, a primary reason Tucson stays cooler is that it is a thousand feet higher than Phoenix. Tucson has been in the 105-110 range for weeks. Add a thousand foot adiabatic temperature rise and you get Phoenix.

 

[fleshconsumed]

I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Even though its hot outside, and today we can just stay inside and turn up the air, however that simple solution may not be available next time around.
While the extreme temps can appear as a minimal inconvenience for us humans, I wonder what damage this heat is doing to this earth that is nothing but minimal?

Could the excessive surface heat trigger massive earthquakes in the near future? The big one where CA falls into the ocean? Or what about Yellowstone? Predictions of a cataclysmic event in Yellowstone just may get the nudge it needs from this heat.
And what about deadly plagues? No one really knows what caused Covid. Could Covid have emerged from climate oddities? Could this heat trigger new plagues and disease in the future? Could the Covid of 2020 be only a warning of plagues to come?

Boy it's hot outside. An inconvenience at most, and for most, however it's the tomorrows that I wonder about. Obviously, considering the huge climate change denial going on, and the republican presidential hopefuls resurrecting that old phrase DRILL BABY DRILL as the solution to our woes, I truly doubt the link and connections can be made. Climate equals consequences, and typically those consequences are not pretty to watch let alone to survive.
Let's put it this way..... Do we really want THIS to be our enviable destiny?

Hotter temperatures are not going to cause earthquakes, that is just a plot for bad SyFy movie. However, concern is that while humans can use air conditioning to escape excessive heat, flora and fauna cannot. And once flora and fauna goes, so does humanity. We are just a small part of this world, and if the eco chain collapses, so does humanity.

My Q-sister made an interesting observation. That the high heat and warming trends in so many cities could be from.... cement.
So much land has been replaced by cement via more construction, more roads, more storage units (ever noticed the massive size of those slabs of cement used to build just one storage unit ???).
Seriously, I think she is on to something.

We are hearing how the cement sidewalks and walkways are getting so hot that just sitting down can burn your skin right through your clothes. And I watched one lady on CNN saying that the bottoms of her shoes were actually melting just from walking on the hot sidewalks. They were measuring the temps of a sidewalk in the heat and it measured 170 F to 180 F. Much hotter than the air temp.

I have been bike riding after sunset on the trails. Some of the trail runs under an overpass, under a bridge. Biking under a cement overpass in this heat feels like hitting a furnace blast. Cement definitely holds heat and gives off heat long after the sun has set.

Could this increase in replacing dirt and grass with cement and concrete possibly be a major factor for the rise in temperatures? Could all of this new construction, all of this new cement act like installing hundreds of furnaces across the city thus affecting the atmosphere? Affecting the air temperatures?

I absolutely believe it is the case and a major contributor to hotter cities. And thats not Q talking, thats just basic science. Concrete absorbs heat from the sun, amplifying the heat, and gives off that heat slowly long after the sun has set.
You can touch the cement pillar of any overpass hours after sunset and that pillar will still feel very warm if not actually hot.
Now folks, that has to be one of the big reasons for hotter climate. Hotter cities. Hotter air. All that cement, all that new construction, all of those man-made cement furnaces out there blasting away. It just makes sense.

Heat island effect is real. I can feel it myself just biking along major road vs green trail. However, again, it's a localized phenomena and its effect is minuscule. Most of the land on earth is still rather empty, the cities take only a small percentage of earth cover.

 

[Greenman]

Meanwhile in Texas, please just go fuck off and die. According to Greenman (who is somewhat related to skill trades) this is just living with the heat.

Backlash brews against Texas law that eliminates mandatory water breaks

Texas had three straight weeks of high humidity and triple-digit temperatures in June. Critics of the law say it will create dangerous conditions for construction workers in heat waves

www.nbcnews.com

This the the GOP response. Please just die. But make me money before you do.

Are we pretending that there isn't a branch of government that already has rules in place to cover this?
I've had dealings with OSHA. I paid a fine for not having my heat illness prevention plan on site. That it was in the fall and around 65 degrees didn't enter the picture. That my policy was that any employee could take a break at any time if they felt the need didn't count. That there was an actual MD on site was of no consequence.

Any employer with half a brain knows you don't fuck around with OSHA. They can and will fine you to death. My little paperwork experience with them carried a $6k fine, which the agent I was dealing with reduced by 90% because because of my prompt attention to the issue and never having had a lost time injury.

 

[UNCjigga]

Saguaros in Arizona “collapsing” due to extreme heat:

Saguaro cacti collapsing in Arizona extreme heat, scientist says

Arizona's saguaro cacti, a symbol of the U.S. West, are leaning, losing arms and in some cases falling over during the state's record streak of extreme heat, a scientist said on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

Now this may just be my armchair Darwinist /unscientific view, but when an organism that’s spent 1000s of years adapting to a hot, arid environment can no longer “take the heat”…we be fucked.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Worry not dear friends, conservatives are working hard to castrate OSHA. They're already working hard to overturn OSHA vaccine rules. This is just a stepping stone to remove other safety regulations and effectively make OSHA toothless. Then they'll use that as an excuse to just disband OSHA.

Republicans: Government does not work, and when it does we break it!

 

[IronWing]

Weird double post

 

[IronWing]

Hotter temperatures are not going to cause earthquakes, that is just a plot for bad SyFy movie. However, concern is that while humans can use air conditioning to escape excessive heat, flora and fauna cannot. And once flora and fauna goes, so does humanity. We are just a small part of this world, and if the eco chain collapses, so does humanity.



Heat island effect is real. I can feel it myself just biking along major road vs green trail. However, again, it's a localized phenomena and its effect is minuscule. Most of the land on earth is still rather empty, the cities take only a small percentage of earth cover.

Global warming will very likely cause earthquakes as icecaps melt and isostatic rebound of the underlying crust occurs in response to the removal of the weight of the ice.

 

[hal2kilo]

Weird—in the news I was just reading about the urban “heat island” effect which does contribute to higher air temps and not just “feels like” temperatures. Cement, asphalt, aluminum and steel are all responsible. Add in vehicle exhaust, transformers, industrial activity too. It’s a big reason why Phoenix stayed above 110 degrees for 25+ days while Tucson did not.

People don't realize how much CO2 is generated in making cement.

 

[Ajay]

People don't realize how much CO2 is generated in making cement.

Very good point. Even if we power the electric by non-carbon sources, and move the automotive/trucking sectors to BEVs - there still are many CO2/methane, etc. sources that will still be churning greenhouse gases. It'll be a long tough road. Those of us who are boomers will escape the brunt of it, but younger generations are going to be hit with very tough choices and huge bills to minimize the effects (at least in first world nations).