great speech
AMENDMENT I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
please explain where his 1st amendment rights have been violated
AMENDMENT I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
please explain where his 1st amendment rights have been violated
kylebisme
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well it did get some press in the link above, it may have got more somewhere but things like that don't hit the major media very often lately. i did see a similar story about a student getting sent home for wearing a t-shit advertising peace not to long ago though.
styrafoam
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Little Timmy needs to put things in perspective realting to his situation. I don't think that Dow would have asked him to be a spokes person back in the 60's and he most likely wouldn't have wanted to be a spokesman for them. If he makes his political opinion public it follows that people with a different viewpoint will distance themselves.
How so?
A private company has the right to determine what is said under its auspices does it not?
A private company has the right to determine what is said under its auspices does it not?
robbins has had numerous opportunities to state his case that most people don't have
this all comes down to him being pissed that cooperstown didn't want to let him use the rememberance of a baseball movie to spout off about the war. they have rights too
this all comes down to him being pissed that cooperstown didn't want to let him use the rememberance of a baseball movie to spout off about the war. they have rights too
Complete speculation. What it comes down to is that that speech is right on the money. Bush had a chance to do some good after 9/11, but completely f*cked it up by saying stupid sh!t like go shop if you love our country, either you are with us or you are with the terrorists, and the terroists hate us because of our freedom. What a complete f*ck up.
"Petroskey however did not directly apologize to Hollywood pair Robbins and Sarandon, who reacted furiously to the Hall of Fame's very public slap in the face, delivered in a letter which was sent to the media.
Instead, he appeared to express regret that he had not contacted them directly to discuss the matter with them before making it public.
"I am sorry I didn't pick up the phone to have a discussion with Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon rather than sending them a letter," the president of the Hall of Fame said."
Yes, that is what he should have done. Instead, he just gave those two whackos more fuel for their anti-Right Wing rantings.
No, what it comes down to is the question of whether an organzation must be forced into letting someone air views on their time.
Cooperstown as an organzation had the right to decide who and what speakers it wanted to respresent it. Robbins has the right to express his views also.
PiansoMan, just as you have the right to express your views, I have the right to say that in my opinion that they are flawed and biased.
No, I supported military action in Afghanistan, but Bush's black and white approach to things is retarded. It's not that simple, and like any great demagogue, he played on people's fears to get their support. You think Iraq would have been invaded if 9/11 didn't happen? Oh I'm sure Bush may have wanted this for a long time, but he wouldn't have gotten it. But like any average scumbag polititian, he is oportunistic and he played the aftermath of 9/11 to his full advantage. After all, if you weren't with him, you were against him.
I don't get it. What would his solution for crushing Al Qaeda and the Taliban have been? Turn the other cheek? Do the civilian deaths in Afghanistan bother him as much as Iraq? Maybe we'll just sort of gloss over that, eh?
In the year and a half since 9-11, we've staved off attacks and captured or killed quite a few Al Qaeda leaders. God knows what might have happened if Tim's heroes had been governing instead. We'd probably still be getting quickened by more inhumane attacks. All for the better I guess...
In the year and a half since 9-11, we've staved off attacks and captured or killed quite a few Al Qaeda leaders. God knows what might have happened if Tim's heroes had been governing instead. We'd probably still be getting quickened by more inhumane attacks. All for the better I guess...
CADsortaGUY
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by using 9/11 as an excuse I meant that he used the whole war on terrorism to gain support against Iraq, even though it had nothing to do with 9/11.
Tim Robbins saying so doesn't make it so. I would like to see a verifiable source.
When a couple of protestors got kicked out of the mall for wearing tshirts, it was posted here.
flavio
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Exactly, ShrubCo use the simplistic approach to get the things done that he wants. Use a tragedy like 9/11 to get support for an invasion of Iraq, call it "Iraqi Freedom" so people will feel better about it, bribe the public to get elected for $330 a piece, use 9/11 again to get legislation passed that is the biggest infringement on American Freedom in a long long time....but call it the "Patriot Act" to fool the masses into believing it's good.
edit: Holy crap...I almost forgot the "Axis of Evil". Really though, how do people fall for this crap?
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Sure the Patriot Act was thinly veiled attempt at more gov't control of us - I'm not a fan of it
But to assume that 9/11 was an excuse is rather narrow sighted. There were alot of factors involved and when you put all the pieces together, taking Saddam out was the right decision. WMD on it's own might not be justification for WAR but when coupled with UN resolution defiance(12 years), the humanitarian "crisis", and possible(probable) ties to "terrorists" - I think war was justified.Ofcourse none of those were "real" reasons since we all know that Bush and Cheney want to take over the world's Oil
CkG
Edit - for Flavio's edit
- Yeah that whole "Axis of Evil" was a tad over the top - even for a "blind neo-conservative hawk" such as myself 
kylebisme
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oh sure, and they have the right to just ditch people for having an opinion without any respect to that fact as well, and they could draw little pictures of them to make them look like monkeys with funny little yellow hats for that matter; but that was not my point at all. i am not sure where the concept of the good thing do do got overshadowed by laws in so many people today, but it would do good to show some respect for the former as well as the latter. :disgust:
A sign of a great country is it can stand a terrible attack and still do the right thing,
I am not against retalliation out of justice, ie Osama mastermind 9/11, we should go after him,
but this war has nothing to do with retalliation for 9/11, it has more to do with fear instead of justice...fear for something unseen (imaginary WMD?)
a lot of people has those issues confused... even the admin, or maybe thay just taking the chance and use our fear as opportunity to reshape the middle east/other countries, ala the old British empire (they are the one that re-drawn the maps of a lot of countries in the world.
Saddam may have WMD, and he may have violated UN resolution (yet without the final vote of UN that say so, we may never know) but one thing is quite certain, he didn't mastermind or send the 9/11 suiciders that attacked us, therefore, we can't say this war is about retalliation...
I am not against retalliation out of justice, ie Osama mastermind 9/11, we should go after him,
but this war has nothing to do with retalliation for 9/11, it has more to do with fear instead of justice...fear for something unseen (imaginary WMD?)
a lot of people has those issues confused... even the admin, or maybe thay just taking the chance and use our fear as opportunity to reshape the middle east/other countries, ala the old British empire (they are the one that re-drawn the maps of a lot of countries in the world.
Saddam may have WMD, and he may have violated UN resolution (yet without the final vote of UN that say so, we may never know) but one thing is quite certain, he didn't mastermind or send the 9/11 suiciders that attacked us, therefore, we can't say this war is about retalliation...
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