Traffic Ticket Set Up

[Hankysmoo]

I got a traffic ticket today for not yielding to a jaywalker that was crossing the street without a crosswalk. Turns out that the pedestrian was a police officer, and that he was jaywalking on purpose, so that his buddy that was hiding could give people tickets. I argued with the cop that the guy was jaywalking, and that I've never heard of a law where you have to yield to a jaywalker. On top of this, it seems shady that a cop would break a law to catch other people breaking laws. I want to fight this, so any lawyers out there, I'd really appreciate any arguments that are available in this situation. This was in Los Angeles, California and happened today around 10 am.

Also, I wanted to know if I could flick off a cop or say go f**k a donut you fat piece of s**t without getting in trouble. Thanks a lot.

 

[snoturtle]

entrapment?

Would fight that one

 

[BooGiMaN]

pedestrian always has the right of way no matter what....although that is pretty damn sneaky of them.

but i suspect they probably have had problems with cars hitting people there

 

[BigJ]

You have to stop for ANY pedstrian, regardless of if they're legally crossing, if you have ample time.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: snoturtle
entrapment?

Would fight that one

Entrapment entails coercing a person into doing something they normally wouldn't. Not gonna fly.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
pedestrian always has the right of way no matter what....although that is pretty damn sneaky of them.

but i suspect they probably have had problems with cars hitting people there

Wrong. If not given ample time (IE just jumps out into the street) you would be within your legal rights not to stop.

Now if you actually hit the pedestrian, good luck with the civil suit.

 

[quakefiend420]

that sounds pretty lame....and smells of bs

why would the cops waste their time jaywalking to give people traffic tickets?

especially in LA, where there's no shortage of idiiots running around that they can give tickets to without resorting to underhanded and retarded antics?

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: Hankysmoo
...I've never heard of a law where you have to yield to a jaywalker...

Also, I wanted to know if I could flick off a cop or say go f**k a donut you fat piece of s**t without getting in trouble. Thanks a lot.

So you'd just go ahead and plow them over normally?

Disorderly Conduct and proving how much of a moron you are = a free trip to jail.

 

[csiro]

How did you not yield to a pedestrian on the road?

 

[BooGiMaN]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
pedestrian always has the right of way no matter what....although that is pretty damn sneaky of them.

but i suspect they probably have had problems with cars hitting people there

Wrong. If not given ample time (IE just jumps out into the street) you would be within your legal rights not to stop.

Now if you actually hit the pedestrian, good luck with the civil suit.

well i meant a normal walking tryign to get to the ther side pedestrian

 

[Hankysmoo]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: Hankysmoo
...I've never heard of a law where you have to yield to a jaywalker...

Also, I wanted to know if I could flick off a cop or say go f**k a donut you fat piece of s**t without getting in trouble. Thanks a lot.

So you'd just go ahead and plow them over normally?

Disorderly Conduct and proving how much of a moron you are = a free trip to jail.

I think I should clarify what happened. I saw the pedestrian in the middle of the left side of the road. After the cars that were blocking my view of him passed by and I could actually see him, I had about a second to stop. He was about 3 yards away from my car, so I knew I wasn't gonna hit him, and I didn't feel it would be dangerous to keep going. I had a chance to stop, but to do that in time, I would have had to slam on the brakes, and I thought it would be more dangerous to do that and risk a car accident than to pass by a pedestrian that was too far to get hit.

Btw, does anyone know if it is legal for a police officer to break the law (jaywalking) to catch another person break the law (not yield to pedestrian)?

And about the disorderly conduct thing, it feels that not being able to give someone the finger violates freedom of speech. Like if someone tells me to f**k off, would I be able to sue him for verbal assault? If that's what this country has come to, then censorship has really come a far way. What would be the minimal amount of crap that you could give a cop? It just doesn't seem like they should be above the law simply because they're cops. Sorry if I'm whining, but I don't think I should have to put a v-chip in my brain or make sure that my ass doesn't smell whenever I'm around a cop.

 

[Nebor]

I can imagine the headline "LAPD officer run down in Jaywalking sting!"

It'd serve him right too. :roll:

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Hankysmoo

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: Hankysmoo
...I've never heard of a law where you have to yield to a jaywalker...

Also, I wanted to know if I could flick off a cop or say go f**k a donut you fat piece of s**t without getting in trouble. Thanks a lot.

So you'd just go ahead and plow them over normally?

Disorderly Conduct and proving how much of a moron you are = a free trip to jail.

I think I should clarify what happened. I saw the pedestrian in the middle of the left side of the road. After the cars that were blocking my view of him passed by and I could actually see him, I had about a second to stop. He was about 3 yards away from my car, so I knew I wasn't gonna hit him, and I didn't feel it would be dangerous to keep going. I had a chance to stop, but to do that in time, I would have had to slam on the brakes, and I thought it would be more dangerous to do that and risk a car accident than to pass by a pedestrian that was too far to get hit.

Btw, does anyone know if it is legal for a police officer to break the law (jaywalking) to catch another person break the law (not yield to pedestrian)?

And about the disorderly conduct thing, it feels that not being able to give someone the finger violates freedom of speech. Like if someone tells me to f**k off, would I be able to sue him for verbal assault? If that's what this country has come to, then censorship has really come a far way. What would be the minimal amount of crap that you could give a cop? It just doesn't seem like they should be above the law simply because they're cops. Sorry if I'm whining, but I don't think I should have to put a v-chip in my brain or make sure that my ass doesn't smell whenever I'm around a cop.

§ 5503. Disorderly conduct.

(a) Offense defined.--A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:

1. engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior;
2. makes unreasonable noise;
3. uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture; or
4. creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.

(b) Grading.--An offense under this section is a misdemeanor of the third degree if the intent of the actor is to cause substantial harm or serious inconvenience, or if he persists in disorderly conduct after reasonable warning or request to desist. Otherwise disorderly conduct is a summary offense.

(c) Definition.--As used in this section the word "public" means affecting or likely to affect persons in a place to which the public or a substantial group has access; among the places included are highways, transport facilities, schools, prisons, apartment houses, places of business or amusement, any neighborhood, or any premises which are open to the public.

That's PA state law, but a good guide for Disorderly Conduct in general.

Also, how do you know it was a sting? That the jaywalker was a police officer?

 

[buzzsaw13]

Originally posted by: Hankysmoo

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: Hankysmoo
...I've never heard of a law where you have to yield to a jaywalker...

Also, I wanted to know if I could flick off a cop or say go f**k a donut you fat piece of s**t without getting in trouble. Thanks a lot.

So you'd just go ahead and plow them over normally?

Disorderly Conduct and proving how much of a moron you are = a free trip to jail.

I think I should clarify what happened. I saw the pedestrian in the middle of the left side of the road. After the cars that were blocking my view of him passed by and I could actually see him, I had about a second to stop. He was about 3 yards away from my car, so I knew I wasn't gonna hit him, and I didn't feel it would be dangerous to keep going. I had a chance to stop, but to do that in time, I would have had to slam on the brakes, and I thought it would be more dangerous to do that and risk a car accident than to pass by a pedestrian that was too far to get hit.

Btw, does anyone know if it is legal for a police officer to break the law (jaywalking) to catch another person break the law (not yield to pedestrian)?

And about the disorderly conduct thing, it feels that not being able to give someone the finger violates freedom of speech. Like if someone tells me to f**k off, would I be able to sue him for verbal assault? If that's what this country has come to, then censorship has really come a far way. What would be the minimal amount of crap that you could give a cop? It just doesn't seem like they should be above the law simply because they're cops. Sorry if I'm whining, but I don't think I should have to put a v-chip in my brain or make sure that my ass doesn't smell whenever I'm around a cop.

Even if it is illegal, if there were multiple cops, its your word against theirs.

 

[quakefiend420]

Originally posted by: Hankysmoo

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: Hankysmoo
...I've never heard of a law where you have to yield to a jaywalker...

Also, I wanted to know if I could flick off a cop or say go f**k a donut you fat piece of s**t without getting in trouble. Thanks a lot.

So you'd just go ahead and plow them over normally?

Disorderly Conduct and proving how much of a moron you are = a free trip to jail.

I think I should clarify what happened. I saw the pedestrian in the middle of the left side of the road. After the cars that were blocking my view of him passed by and I could actually see him, I had about a second to stop. He was about 3 yards away from my car, so I knew I wasn't gonna hit him, and I didn't feel it would be dangerous to keep going. I had a chance to stop, but to do that in time, I would have had to slam on the brakes, and I thought it would be more dangerous to do that and risk a car accident than to pass by a pedestrian that was too far to get hit.

Btw, does anyone know if it is legal for a police officer to break the law (jaywalking) to catch another person break the law (not yield to pedestrian)?

And about the disorderly conduct thing, it feels that not being able to give someone the finger violates freedom of speech. Like if someone tells me to f**k off, would I be able to sue him for verbal assault? If that's what this country has come to, then censorship has really come a far way. What would be the minimal amount of crap that you could give a cop? It just doesn't seem like they should be above the law simply because they're cops. Sorry if I'm whining, but I don't think I should have to put a v-chip in my brain or make sure that my ass doesn't smell whenever I'm around a cop.

personally, whenever a cop gives me a reason to verbally attack him, i prefer to do it with wit and poise, not by cursing and screaming at him while waving my middle finger in his face like an ignorant 12 year old

 

[Atomicus]

Ever watch Cops?

Cops have female cop undercover as prostitute soliciting on the street. She directs them to motel room. Cops in the room bust the guy.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Hankysmoo

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: Hankysmoo
...I've never heard of a law where you have to yield to a jaywalker...

Also, I wanted to know if I could flick off a cop or say go f**k a donut you fat piece of s**t without getting in trouble. Thanks a lot.

So you'd just go ahead and plow them over normally?

Disorderly Conduct and proving how much of a moron you are = a free trip to jail.

I think I should clarify what happened. I saw the pedestrian in the middle of the left side of the road. After the cars that were blocking my view of him passed by and I could actually see him, I had about a second to stop. He was about 3 yards away from my car, so I knew I wasn't gonna hit him, and I didn't feel it would be dangerous to keep going. I had a chance to stop, but to do that in time, I would have had to slam on the brakes, and I thought it would be more dangerous to do that and risk a car accident than to pass by a pedestrian that was too far to get hit.

Btw, does anyone know if it is legal for a police officer to break the law (jaywalking) to catch another person break the law (not yield to pedestrian)?

And about the disorderly conduct thing, it feels that not being able to give someone the finger violates freedom of speech. Like if someone tells me to f**k off, would I be able to sue him for verbal assault? If that's what this country has come to, then censorship has really come a far way. What would be the minimal amount of crap that you could give a cop? It just doesn't seem like they should be above the law simply because they're cops. Sorry if I'm whining, but I don't think I should have to put a v-chip in my brain or make sure that my ass doesn't smell whenever I'm around a cop.

§ 5503. Disorderly conduct.

(a) Offense defined.--A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:

1. engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior;
2. makes unreasonable noise;
3. uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture; or
4. creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.

(b) Grading.--An offense under this section is a misdemeanor of the third degree if the intent of the actor is to cause substantial harm or serious inconvenience, or if he persists in disorderly conduct after reasonable warning or request to desist. Otherwise disorderly conduct is a summary offense.

(c) Definition.--As used in this section the word "public" means affecting or likely to affect persons in a place to which the public or a substantial group has access; among the places included are highways, transport facilities, schools, prisons, apartment houses, places of business or amusement, any neighborhood, or any premises which are open to the public.

That's PA state law, but a good guide for Disorderly Conduct in general.

Also, how do you know it was a sting? That the jaywalker was a police officer?

Per this:

§ 5503. Disorderly conduct.

(a) Offense defined.--A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:

1. engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior;
2. makes unreasonable noise;
3. uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture; or
4. creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.

..could jaywalking then be considered disorderly conduct?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Hankysmoo

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: Hankysmoo
...I've never heard of a law where you have to yield to a jaywalker...

Also, I wanted to know if I could flick off a cop or say go f**k a donut you fat piece of s**t without getting in trouble. Thanks a lot.

So you'd just go ahead and plow them over normally?

Disorderly Conduct and proving how much of a moron you are = a free trip to jail.

I think I should clarify what happened. I saw the pedestrian in the middle of the left side of the road. After the cars that were blocking my view of him passed by and I could actually see him, I had about a second to stop. He was about 3 yards away from my car, so I knew I wasn't gonna hit him, and I didn't feel it would be dangerous to keep going. I had a chance to stop, but to do that in time, I would have had to slam on the brakes, and I thought it would be more dangerous to do that and risk a car accident than to pass by a pedestrian that was too far to get hit.

Btw, does anyone know if it is legal for a police officer to break the law (jaywalking) to catch another person break the law (not yield to pedestrian)?

And about the disorderly conduct thing, it feels that not being able to give someone the finger violates freedom of speech. Like if someone tells me to f**k off, would I be able to sue him for verbal assault? If that's what this country has come to, then censorship has really come a far way. What would be the minimal amount of crap that you could give a cop? It just doesn't seem like they should be above the law simply because they're cops. Sorry if I'm whining, but I don't think I should have to put a v-chip in my brain or make sure that my ass doesn't smell whenever I'm around a cop.

§ 5503. Disorderly conduct.

(a) Offense defined.--A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:

1. engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior;
2. makes unreasonable noise;
3. uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture; or
4. creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.

(b) Grading.--An offense under this section is a misdemeanor of the third degree if the intent of the actor is to cause substantial harm or serious inconvenience, or if he persists in disorderly conduct after reasonable warning or request to desist. Otherwise disorderly conduct is a summary offense.

(c) Definition.--As used in this section the word "public" means affecting or likely to affect persons in a place to which the public or a substantial group has access; among the places included are highways, transport facilities, schools, prisons, apartment houses, places of business or amusement, any neighborhood, or any premises which are open to the public.

That's PA state law, but a good guide for Disorderly Conduct in general.

Also, how do you know it was a sting? That the jaywalker was a police officer?

Per this:

§ 5503. Disorderly conduct.

(a) Offense defined.--A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:

1. engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior;
2. makes unreasonable noise;
3. uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture; or
4. creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.

..could jaywalking then be considered disorderly conduct?

Since it's covered under another part of the penal code, maybe not. That, and it depends if the person was actually reckless. I could see someone running in and out of traffic getting jaywalking tickets and charged with disorderly conduct.

 

[jlee]

That, and it depends if the person was actually reckless. I could see someone running in and out of traffic getting jaywalking tickets and charged with disorderly conduct.

It appears as though there was considerable traffic:

I saw the pedestrian in the middle of the left side of the road. After the cars that were blocking my view of him passed by and I could actually see him, I had about a second to stop. He was about 3 yards away from my car

I'm getting curious now..could ask a cop up here, I guess..though that would be NH law.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

That, and it depends if the person was actually reckless. I could see someone running in and out of traffic getting jaywalking tickets and charged with disorderly conduct.

It appears as though there was considerable traffic:

I saw the pedestrian in the middle of the left side of the road. After the cars that were blocking my view of him passed by and I could actually see him, I had about a second to stop. He was about 3 yards away from my car

I'm getting curious now..could ask a cop up here, I guess..though that would be NH law.

If the cop was just sitting by the yellow lines in the middle of the road, and not being reckless, looking for an open opportunity etc, then I don't see why it would fall under disorderly conduct.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: CadetLee

That, and it depends if the person was actually reckless. I could see someone running in and out of traffic getting jaywalking tickets and charged with disorderly conduct.

It appears as though there was considerable traffic:

I saw the pedestrian in the middle of the left side of the road. After the cars that were blocking my view of him passed by and I could actually see him, I had about a second to stop. He was about 3 yards away from my car

I'm getting curious now..could ask a cop up here, I guess..though that would be NH law.

If the cop was just sitting by the yellow lines in the middle of the road, and not being reckless, looking for an open opportunity etc, then I don't see why it would fall under disorderly conduct.

You do have a point - but that would probably qualify as obstructing the flow of traffic. Doesn't really affect the OP, though..does it..

 

[DVK916]

What hate is when Bicycalist think they are pedestrian and cars need to yield to them. Cars don't yield to bicycalist, they are like other vehicals.

 

[Hankysmoo]

Also, how do you know it was a sting? That the jaywalker was a police officer?

The officer told me afterwards that it was another police officer jaywalking, and on my ticket under the description of violation it said pedestrian decoy.

Ever watch Cops?

Cops have female cop undercover as prostitute soliciting on the street. She directs them to motel room. Cops in the room bust the guy.

The prostitute never has sex with the guy, just takes the money. The cop here actually broke the law by jaywalking. Doesn't seem right that they can do that even if it's for a good purpose like law enforcement. If it went that way, Bush might've gotten away with that uninhibited wire tap bullshit that he was trying to pull, and the government could invade our privacy whenever they wanted to.

 

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: Hankysmoo
I got a traffic ticket today for not yielding to a jaywalker that was crossing the street without a crosswalk. Turns out that the pedestrian was a police officer, and that he was jaywalking on purpose, so that his buddy that was hiding could give people tickets. I argued with the cop that the guy was jaywalking, and that I've never heard of a law where you have to yield to a jaywalker. On top of this, it seems shady that a cop would break a law to catch other people breaking laws. I want to fight this, so any lawyers out there, I'd really appreciate any arguments that are available in this situation. This was in Los Angeles, California and happened today around 10 am.

Also, I wanted to know if I could flick off a cop or say go f**k a donut you fat piece of s**t without getting in trouble. Thanks a lot.

You argued to a cop that you had the legal right to hit a jaywalker?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Hankysmoo
Also, how do you know it was a sting? That the jaywalker was a police officer?

The officer told me afterwards that it was another police officer jaywalking, and on my ticket under the description of violation it said pedestrian decoy.

Ever watch Cops?

Cops have female cop undercover as prostitute soliciting on the street. She directs them to motel room. Cops in the room bust the guy.

The prostitute never has sex with the guy, just takes the money. The cop here actually broke the law by jaywalking. Doesn't seem right that they can do that even if it's for a good purpose like law enforcement. If it went that way, Bush might've gotten away with that uninhibited wire tap bullshit that he was trying to pull, and the government could invade our privacy whenever they wanted to.

Haha. OK, now I know what you're talking about. The pedestrian decoy is a tactic used by LE where they have officers cross in UNMARKED crosswalks. They are not jaywalking.