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Leejai

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i just want to confirm. eventhough jaywalking is illegal, the car is still at fault here (hence the ticket) in case the car were to hit the jaywalker right?

hMMM..maybe i should find the SLOWEST street where i am...sue the ****** out of the person who didn't stop for my jay-walking arse...

i'm sorry, but the ticket makes no sense to me here.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: Leejai
i just want to confirm. eventhough jaywalking is illegal, the car is still at fault here (hence the ticket) in case the car were to hit the jaywalker right?

hMMM..maybe i should find the SLOWEST street where i am...sue the ****** out of the person who didn't stop for my jay-walking arse...

i'm sorry, but the ticket makes no sense to me here.

OP broke the law. The pedestrian was an undercover LEO crossing in an unmarked crosswalk. OP failed to yield, which is a violation of the law. The pedestrian decoy tactic is often used in high traffic areas where cars fail to yield to pedestrians. The LEO was not jaywalking.
 

Mill

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If it is how you said it was it is not entrapment. Shady for sure, but not entrapment. There is a current story about how a police department is using decoys to hit massage parlors, but the parlors have become adept at not soliciting for the police wires -- or even to the police officer. So, the department is allowing its workers to receive the actual sex act before an arrest. As for the legality of that -- it will be decided by the courts, but I can tell you that 99% of police departments are saying WTF to that department.

Decoys cannot break the law in an attempt to get you to break the law. The current "trend" in California is to use not in uniform police to cross a MARKED crosswalk, and get you when you don't yield. If this is not a marked crosswalk and he was just strolling across the road it doesn't pass the sniff test. I've a hard time believing it wasn't a marked crosswalk. If it wasn't the ticket won't hold up in court. San Francisco has been debating using similar tactics (except using a marked crosswalk), and I can't find ANYTHING that says anywhere in Cali allows the police to cross outside a marked crosswalk and then ticket you.

If it is marked there is nothing you can do. If it isn't, then I suggest taking photos of where the event occured and showing that to the prosecutor and judge.

Are you sure you just didn't see the crosswalk?
 

Mill

Lifer
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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Leejai
i just want to confirm. eventhough jaywalking is illegal, the car is still at fault here (hence the ticket) in case the car were to hit the jaywalker right?

hMMM..maybe i should find the SLOWEST street where i am...sue the ****** out of the person who didn't stop for my jay-walking arse...

i'm sorry, but the ticket makes no sense to me here.

OP broke the law. The pedestrian was an undercover LEO crossing in an unmarked crosswalk. OP failed to yield, which is a violation of the law. The pedestrian decoy tactic is often used in high traffic areas where cars fail to yield to pedestrians. The LEO was not jaywalking.

This isn't quite true. If it isn't a marked crosswalk then they ARE jaywalking, and it WOULD be breaking the law. Something that you cannot ethically or legally do as a police officer. Not saying it doesn't happen, but that it should not.
 

runzwithsizorz

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Originally posted by: Atomicus
Ever watch Cops?

Cops have female cop undercover as prostitute soliciting on the street. She directs them to motel room. Cops in the room bust the guy.

Right now in Spottsilvania,VA. theres a big flap over whether the cops should *continue* to have sex with the the perps. huh :Q
Imagine being married to an under cover officer; ---- "honey, how was your day"
 

jlee

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Leejai
i just want to confirm. eventhough jaywalking is illegal, the car is still at fault here (hence the ticket) in case the car were to hit the jaywalker right?

hMMM..maybe i should find the SLOWEST street where i am...sue the ****** out of the person who didn't stop for my jay-walking arse...

i'm sorry, but the ticket makes no sense to me here.

OP broke the law. The pedestrian was an undercover LEO crossing in an unmarked crosswalk. OP failed to yield, which is a violation of the law. The pedestrian decoy tactic is often used in high traffic areas where cars fail to yield to pedestrians. The LEO was not jaywalking.

An unmarked crosswalk? How are people - pedestrians included - supposed to know where it is? :confused:
 

runzwithsizorz

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Originally posted by: quakefiend420
that sounds pretty lame....and smells of bs

why would the cops waste their time jaywalking to give people traffic tickets?

especially in LA, where there's no shortage of idiiots running around that they can give tickets to without resorting to underhanded and retarded antics?

Cuz it's a win, win; easy money, with no travel time,/ and safer then dealing with real crime,(i.e. gangs).
 

sao123

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Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Leejai
i just want to confirm. eventhough jaywalking is illegal, the car is still at fault here (hence the ticket) in case the car were to hit the jaywalker right?

hMMM..maybe i should find the SLOWEST street where i am...sue the ****** out of the person who didn't stop for my jay-walking arse...

i'm sorry, but the ticket makes no sense to me here.

OP broke the law. The pedestrian was an undercover LEO crossing in an unmarked crosswalk. OP failed to yield, which is a violation of the law. The pedestrian decoy tactic is often used in high traffic areas where cars fail to yield to pedestrians. The LEO was not jaywalking.

An unmarked crosswalk? How are people - pedestrians included - supposed to know where it is? :confused:


From California Drivers Manual

Pedestrians

Pedestrian safety is a serious issue. One in six traffic fatalities is a pedestrian. Drive cautiously when pedestrians are near because they may cross your path.

A pedestrian is a person on foot or who uses a conveyance such as roller skates, skateboards, etc., other than a bicycle. A pedestrian can also be a person with a disability on a tricycle or quadricycle or in a self-propelled wheelchair.

Always stop for any pedestrian crossing at corners or other crosswalks. Do not pass a car from behind that has stopped at a crosswalk. A pedestrian you can?t see may be crossing.
Do not drive on a sidewalk, except to cross it at a driveway or alley. When crossing, yield to any pedestrian.
Do not stop in a crosswalk. You will place pedestrians in danger.
Remember?if a pedestrian makes eye contact with you, he or she is ready to cross the street. Yield to the pedestrian.
Pedestrians have the right of way at corners with or without traffic lights, whether or not the crosswalks are marked by painted white lines.

Allow older pedestrians more time to cross the street. They are more likely to die as a result of a crash than younger pedestrians.
Information regarding pedestrians who are blind is here.

Crosswalks

A crosswalk is that part of the pavement where the sidewalk lines would extend across the street and it is set aside for pedestrian traffic. Every intersection has a pedestrian crosswalk whether or not there are painted lines on the street. Most crosswalks are at corners but they can also be in the middle of the block. Before turning a corner, watch for people about to cross the street. Pedestrians have the right of way in crosswalks.

Crosswalks are often marked with white lines. Yellow crosswalk lines may be painted at school crossings. Most often, crosswalks in residential areas are not marked.

Some crosswalks have flashing lights to warn you that pedestrians may be crossing. Look for pedestrians and be prepared to stop whether or not the lights are flashing.


PEDESTRIAN RESPONSIBILITIES*

Yield the right-of-way to vehicles when you:

Cross or walk where intersections or crosswalks are not marked.
?Jaywalk? across a street between intersections, where no pedestrian crosswalks are provided.
Remember: Making eye contact with the driver does not mean that the driver will see you or yield the right of way.


Do not suddenly leave a curb or other safe place and walk or run into the path of a vehicle close enough to be a danger to you. This is true even though you are in a crosswalk. The law states that drivers must take care for the safety of any pedestrian? but if the driver can?t stop in time to avoid hitting you, the law won?t help you.

Always obey traffic signals. Whether the intersection has pedestrian signals or the usual traffic lights, you must obey the pedestrian rules. (More information) At an intersection where traffic is not controlled by signals, drivers are required to yield the right of way to you within any crosswalk, marked or unmarked.

When a signal first changes to green or ?WALK? for you, look left, right, and then left again, and yield the right of way to any vehicle in the intersection before the signal changed.

If the signal begins blinking or changes to ?DON?T WALK,? or to an upraised hand after you have gone part way across a divided street, you may continue across the street.

Do not stop or delay traffic unnecessarily while crossing a street.

Pedestrians are not permitted on any toll bridge or highway crossing unless there is a sidewalk and signs stating pedestrian traffic is permitted.

If there is no sidewalk, walk facing the oncoming traffic (see the picture below). Don?t walk or jog on any freeway where signs tell you that pedestrians are not allowed.

At night, make yourself more visible by wearing white clothing and retroreflective materials, or carrying a flashlight.

 

Sphexi

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Fight it, you'll win. If there's no crosswalk or posted crossing sign, you are not required to stop and let them cross. Obviously if they're right in front of the car you don't want to hit them, or even graze them, but they can't ticket you for not letting people jaywalk. You should've told the officer to cite his buddy for jaywalking.
 

sao123

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Originally posted by: Sphexi
Fight it, you'll win. If there's no crosswalk or posted crossing sign, you are not required to stop and let them cross. Obviously if they're right in front of the car you don't want to hit them, or even graze them, but they can't ticket you for not letting people jaywalk. You should've told the officer to cite his buddy for jaywalking.


obviously u suck at teh reading....
read post previoous to yours.
 

Linflas

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Funny but one thing I clearly remember that surprised me the times I have visited California is that the drivers there seem to be much more willing to stop for pedestrians than they are here on the east coast. I always assumed they had pretty strict laws regarding pedestrians that encouraged this behavior. Here in Virginia you aren't safe even using the marked crossings. :|
 

jlee

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Originally posted by: Linflas
Funny but one thing I clearly remember that surprised me the times I have visited California is that the drivers there seem to be much more willing to stop for pedestrians than they are here on the east coast. I always assumed they had pretty strict laws regarding pedestrians that encouraged this behavior. Here in Virginia you aren't safe even using the marked crossings. :|

Move north. It's NH state law to stop for pedestrians at crosswalks, whether they're in the road or not. It's kinda nice to watch traffic stop just so you can cross the street. :p
 

Injury

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Originally posted by: quakefiend420
personally, whenever a cop gives me a reason to verbally attack him, i prefer to do it with wit and poise, not by cursing and screaming at him while waving my middle finger in his face like an ignorant 12 year old

AKA being a crybaby.

I'm told that being irrate about the incident is a HUGE sign of the offender knowing they got busted.
 
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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
pedestrian always has the right of way no matter what....although that is pretty damn sneaky of them.

but i suspect they probably have had problems with cars hitting people there

Wrong. If not given ample time (IE just jumps out into the street) you would be within your legal rights not to stop.

Now if you actually hit the pedestrian, good luck with the civil suit.


yeah, though in reality its probably less you not having to stop, and more not actually being able to slow the car down in time.
 

Aharami

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Hankysmoo
Also, how do you know it was a sting? That the jaywalker was a police officer?

The officer told me afterwards that it was another police officer jaywalking, and on my ticket under the description of violation it said pedestrian decoy.

Ever watch Cops?

Cops have female cop undercover as prostitute soliciting on the street. She directs them to motel room. Cops in the room bust the guy.


The prostitute never has sex with the guy, just takes the money. The cop here actually broke the law by jaywalking. Doesn't seem right that they can do that even if it's for a good purpose like law enforcement. If it went that way, Bush might've gotten away with that uninhibited wire tap bullshit that he was trying to pull, and the government could invade our privacy whenever they wanted to.

Haha. OK, now I know what you're talking about. The pedestrian decoy is a tactic used by LE where they have officers cross in UNMARKED crosswalks. They are not jaywalking.

wtf is an unmarked crosswalk? :confused:
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Hankysmoo
Also, how do you know it was a sting? That the jaywalker was a police officer?

The officer told me afterwards that it was another police officer jaywalking, and on my ticket under the description of violation it said pedestrian decoy.

Ever watch Cops?

Cops have female cop undercover as prostitute soliciting on the street. She directs them to motel room. Cops in the room bust the guy.


The prostitute never has sex with the guy, just takes the money. The cop here actually broke the law by jaywalking. Doesn't seem right that they can do that even if it's for a good purpose like law enforcement. If it went that way, Bush might've gotten away with that uninhibited wire tap bullshit that he was trying to pull, and the government could invade our privacy whenever they wanted to.

Haha. OK, now I know what you're talking about. The pedestrian decoy is a tactic used by LE where they have officers cross in UNMARKED crosswalks. They are not jaywalking.

wtf is an unmarked crosswalk? :confused:

The laws posted in this thread tell exactly.

At all intersections where there is a traffic signal there is a crosswalk, whether it is marked or not.
"Every intersection has a pedestrian crosswalk whether or not there are painted lines on the street. "
 

Sentinel

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Originally posted by: DVK916
What hate is when Bicycalist think they are pedestrian and cars need to yield to them. Cars don't yield to bicycalist, they are like other vehicals.

Perhaps not yield but also respect them on the road. Same with joggers, fvcking cars always dart in front of me instead of waiting 3 seconds.

 

BigJ

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Leejai
i just want to confirm. eventhough jaywalking is illegal, the car is still at fault here (hence the ticket) in case the car were to hit the jaywalker right?

hMMM..maybe i should find the SLOWEST street where i am...sue the ****** out of the person who didn't stop for my jay-walking arse...

i'm sorry, but the ticket makes no sense to me here.

OP broke the law. The pedestrian was an undercover LEO crossing in an unmarked crosswalk. OP failed to yield, which is a violation of the law. The pedestrian decoy tactic is often used in high traffic areas where cars fail to yield to pedestrians. The LEO was not jaywalking.

This isn't quite true. If it isn't a marked crosswalk then they ARE jaywalking, and it WOULD be breaking the law. Something that you cannot ethically or legally do as a police officer. Not saying it doesn't happen, but that it should not.

Are you sure about that? For example, unmarked crosswalks exist at every single street corner that do not have marked crosswalks. So you're saying if someone crossed in an unmarked crosswalk at a street corner, they're jaywalking?

I was under the impression after reading through some material that jaywalking takes place outside of marked and unmarked crosswalks.
 

cavemanmoron

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Originally posted by: Hankysmoo
I got a traffic ticket today for not yielding to a jaywalker that was crossing the street without a crosswalk. Turns out that the pedestrian was a police officer, and that he was jaywalking on purpose, so that his buddy that was hiding could give people tickets. I argued with the cop that the guy was jaywalking, and that I've never heard of a law where you have to yield to a jaywalker. On top of this, it seems shady that a cop would break a law to catch other people breaking laws. I want to fight this, so any lawyers out there, I'd really appreciate any arguments that are available in this situation. This was in Los Angeles, California and happened today around 10 am.

Also, I wanted to know if I could flick off a cop or say go f**k a donut you fat piece of s**t without getting in trouble. Thanks a lot.[/q]

:(

:thumbsdown: Not wise at all.

Ask Rodney King about giving the Officers of the Law a hard time??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Leejai
i just want to confirm. eventhough jaywalking is illegal, the car is still at fault here (hence the ticket) in case the car were to hit the jaywalker right?

hMMM..maybe i should find the SLOWEST street where i am...sue the ****** out of the person who didn't stop for my jay-walking arse...

i'm sorry, but the ticket makes no sense to me here.

OP broke the law. The pedestrian was an undercover LEO crossing in an unmarked crosswalk. OP failed to yield, which is a violation of the law. The pedestrian decoy tactic is often used in high traffic areas where cars fail to yield to pedestrians. The LEO was not jaywalking.

This isn't quite true. If it isn't a marked crosswalk then they ARE jaywalking, and it WOULD be breaking the law. Something that you cannot ethically or legally do as a police officer. Not saying it doesn't happen, but that it should not.

Are you sure about that? For example, unmarked crosswalks exist at every single street corner that do not have marked crosswalks. So you're saying if someone crossed in an unmarked crosswalk at a street corner, they're jaywalking?

I was under the impression after reading through some material that jaywalking takes place outside of marked and unmarked crosswalks.

Perhaps I misread the OP, but I thought he was saying the guy just crossed in the middle of the road. On a corner or marked intersection it is different. Shady and sneaky, but entirely different.