Traffic in P&N falling in lockstep with CNN's ratings?

[MongGrel]

NM.

 

[TreVader]

Left means something different in the UK, but what I was trying to demonstrate is the comments on CNN's own articles have more center/right posters than P&N!

And I'm sure those posters (on CNN) are eloquent as fuck.

 

[MongGrel]

Wherever the CBD manifests itself, there will be the experience of ugliness and disgust. This must happen because the altered reality the CBD requires to protect its ego will rub up against the reality that actually exists. Facts have a liberal bias. Reality can be denied, but it can't actually be changed. In any penetrating analysis, the CBD will be exposed not to itself, but to all not in denial. You can tell a bigot, but you can't tell him much. The CBD is there to deny what makes it tick. It's the vanity of ego. It creates what is referred to as 'whine' because there's just never enough religious faith. There has to be a crusade. As the great AI probe, Nomad, in Star Trek said, "Must Eliminate Error!"

You are complaining over an article, none of us even mentioned or brought up - on how you think we would bring it up.

This must be a new mechanism of the defective conservative brain; sensationalize something that wasn't even done by your enemy, but it's something you are accusing they would/could do. Yeah, this doesn't make you look defective at at.

Nope.

I'm not even conservative, this place is so overwhelmingly dumb liberal that I end up taking their side. I don't agree with the far right either. This place is far left.

:hmm:

 

[MongGrel]

And I'm sure those posters (on CNN) are eloquent as fuck.

 

[WelshBloke]

Left means something different in the UK, but what I was trying to demonstrate is the comments on CNN's own articles have more center/right posters than P&N!

Honestly I think it's the US that has a messed up idea of what's left wing rather than the UK.

 

[zinfamous]

how long before OP starts posting personal anecdotes about the ACA that he redacts only minutes later?

 

[sandorski]

Cognitive Dissonance, you got it.

 

[cKGunslinger]

I went away from here for many years. When I came back I was shocked at how far left this place had swung. When Russ was here he kept the bullshit down to a tolerable level. He'd just ban your ass for saying stupid left wing shit....and Harvey would bleed, but Russ could also somehow keep the peace. I miss Russ!

LOL?

This place has shifted so far to the right since I was last posting regularly, even I (who had been routinely labeled with all sorts of right-wing slurs - neocon, fascist, etc) can't stomach this forum, as it appears to be a complete hive of semi-retarded neckbeards who parrot whatever Fox News or whatever tea-party-darling-of-the-day Facebook meme post suggests is now an issue in which all cadets need to champion beyond all reach of reason or logic. All topped with some Arayan-brotherhood-esque racism and ultra-jingoism for good measure.

I'm glad the hammer came down on personal attacks and the like, but it certainly did not seem to make this a place for logical discussion or give-and-take debate. In fact, I think it somehow removed anyone even remotely near the middle and left the place to the keyboard-pounders on the extremes, with the right-wing ones having much more practice due to excessive mutual pud-pulling, I assume.

 

[Brian Stirling]

CNN may not be long for this world -- one can only hope it dies quickly. They've fallen so far in the last 15 years it's hard to believe it. Now, most days, they are not even a news program and are instead a reality programming channel.

They ARE biased to the left and are at least partially responsible for some of the violence in the wake of the Ferguson ruling. From the beginning they took the side of Mike Brown and if anyone so much as questioned what Mike Brown had been doing in the moments before he was shot they were attacked as racists.

On the day the Grand Jury released there report I tuned in o CNN and what did I see. On the screen were two windows, on one window there were people talking about the case and in the other window there were scenes of rioting taking place. This was a couple hours BEFORE the ruling came down and hours before the rioting started so why did they play video of earlier rioting WITHOUT a disclaimer that this was previously recorded? I was puzzled and did a little time math and found out that it had to be previously recorded as the scenes were night time and it was not yet night time in Ferguson. Was CNN suggesting to the public they should riot?

What's happened to this once great news network is terrible. Where do you go to get news now? FoxNews -- please, they are and always have been right wing hacks with direct ties to the Republican party -- in essence, the propaganda wing of the Republican party. MSNBC -- please, they are to liberals what FoxNews is to conservatives. The fact is there is NO US based 24 hour news service that can be trusted today.


Brian

 

[WelshBloke]

Where do you go to get news now?

BBC

 

[TreVader]

Reddit is the best (and by that I mean fastest, you will hear about stuff before any news network picks it up) place to get news as long as you avoid the comment cancer.


BBC. Al Jazeera. Those are the only two who hold more or less objective views on US politics. As close to objective as you can get in a large network.

 

[Thebobo]

CNN may not be long for this world -

They ARE biased to the left and are at least partially responsible for some of the violence in the wake of the Ferguson ruling.

Brian

Lets blame CNN for cops killing people?

 

[bradley]

I don't believe in political parties. Ban them please. The two-party system only provides two wings of the same dysfunctional flightless bird.

I also don't believe in ideologue and extremists, or anyone who believes in something for its own sake, in absence of knowledge, experience or facts.

I skew slightly more conservative than liberal. In other words, if I don't care for my own preservation, very few will.

Yet I do believe government should skew slightly more liberal than conservative. I also believe in checks and balances, due process and our Constitutional Republic. I am still a proud American based on those principles and our founding.

However, the US has never been as corrupt or authoritarian in its entire existence... from the mounting: unconstitutional EOs, UN colonization, unfair trade agreements, law enforcement militarization, absence of Glass-Steagall, fraudulent pay-to-play cherry-picked science, six corporate monoliths allowed to own 90% of the media, the revolving door between Congress and K-Street... etc.

If one wants the truth, he/she needs to vet multiple sources. I don't waste my time with sources existing in vacuums such as CNN or Fox. Please.

 

[Thebobo]

I don't believe in political parties. Ban them please. The two-party system only provides two wings of the same dysfunctional flightless bird.

I also don't believe in ideologue and extremists, or anyone who believes in something for its own sake, in absence of knowledge, experience or facts.

I skew slightly more conservative than liberal. In other words, if I don't care for my own preservation, very few will.

Yet I do believe government should skew slightly more liberal than conservative. I also believe in checks and balances, due process and our Constitutional Republic. I am still a proud American based on those principles and our founding.

However, the US has never been as corrupt or authoritarian in its entire existence... from the mounting: unconstitutional EOs, UN colonization, unfair trade agreements, law enforcement militarization, absence of Glass-Steagall, fraudulent pay-to-play cherry-picked science, six corporate monoliths allowed to own 90% of the media, the revolving door between Congress and K-Street... etc.

If one wants the truth, he/she needs to vet multiple sources. I don't waste my time with sources existing in vacuums such as CNN or Fox. Please.

I agree with you on most of your list but dont know about three others.

UN colonization - What do you mean?
unfair trade agreements - what trade agreements were passed recently?
law enforcement militarization, Agree!
Absence of Glass-Steagall - Agree!
fraudulent pay-to-play cherry-picked science - What do you mean?
six corporate monoliths allowed to own 90% of the media - Agree!
the revolving door between Congress and K-Street... etc. - Agree!

 

[Brian Stirling]

Lets blame CNN for cops killing people?

No, there safe from any prosecution for that, but that isn't to say they are innocent of setting the stage for it either. From the beginning and over and over for months they told the tale of a murderous cop that killed an innocent kid. The act of repeating this over and over and over is important.

I guy I used to work with is very conservative and follows FoxNews a lot. Some months after Benghazi I saw him at his laptop reading a story on the FoxNews website about Benghazi and he was literally trembling with anger. Fox had made Benghazi the centerpiece of there news coverage for months and my friend was constantly following this story and the angle Fox was working. I watched him trembling with anger over a mostly made up story that was being repeated over and over and over.

So, it's not just conservatives that can be driven by rage. Timothy McVeigh ate up the stories about Waco and acted on it. Why is it hard to imagine others doing the same???


Brian

 

[ivwshane]

No, there safe from any prosecution for that, but that isn't to say they are innocent of setting the stage for it either. From the beginning and over and over for months they told the tale of a murderous cop that killed an innocent kid. The act of repeating this over and over and over is important.

I guy I used to work with is very conservative and follows FoxNews a lot. Some months after Benghazi I saw him at his laptop reading a story on the FoxNews website about Benghazi and he was literally trembling with anger. Fox had made Benghazi the centerpiece of there news coverage for months and my friend was constantly following this story and the angle Fox was working. I watched him trembling with anger over a mostly made up story that was being repeated over and over and over.

So, it's not just conservatives that can be driven by rage. Timothy McVeigh ate up the stories about Waco and acted on it. Why is it hard to imagine others doing the same???


Brian

Whoa! That's scary!

 

[Pipeline 1010]

If a Moonbeam writes on an internet forum with no one around to read it, is it still miserable?

Hah! Yes, yes it is still miserable. And my keyboard is now drenched with soda. I seem to have suffered from some kind of an involuntary reaction to humor. Kindly mail me a replacement keyboard.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

CNN may not be long for this world -- one can only hope it dies quickly. They've fallen so far in the last 15 years it's hard to believe it. Now, most days, they are not even a news program and are instead a reality programming channel.

I knew it was all over for CNN as a serious network about 5 years back when they would have actual headlines talking about what Kanye West tweeted. Yeah, I was kind of late to the party.

They ARE biased to the left and are at least partially responsible for some of the violence in the wake of the Ferguson ruling. From the beginning they took the side of Mike Brown and if anyone so much as questioned what Mike Brown had been doing in the moments before he was shot they were attacked as racists.

I don't get this point of view that CNN is responsible for the actions of individuals. This point of view seems to be predicated on seeing most people as mindless retards who are at the mercy of news networks when it comes to perpetratin some violence.

On the day the Grand Jury released there report I tuned in o CNN and what did I see. On the screen were two windows, on one window there were people talking about the case and in the other window there were scenes of rioting taking place. This was a couple hours BEFORE the ruling came down and hours before the rioting started so why did they play video of earlier rioting WITHOUT a disclaimer that this was previously recorded? I was puzzled and did a little time math and found out that it had to be previously recorded as the scenes were night time and it was not yet night time in Ferguson. Was CNN suggesting to the public they should riot?

No, CNN wasn't suggesting that the public should riot. They were just jizzing their pants at the fact that rioting was happening.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

However, the US has never been as corrupt or authoritarian in its entire existence... from the mounting: unconstitutional EOs, UN colonization, unfair trade agreements, law enforcement militarization, absence of Glass-Steagall, fraudulent pay-to-play cherry-picked science, six corporate monoliths allowed to own 90% of the media, the revolving door between Congress and K-Street... etc.

I agree 100%. Lets take Glass-Steagall, for instance. There have been very few laws passed in history that were both so concise/succinct (only 37 pages long) and so effective at protecting Americans from people who would desire to financially butt-rape us. The fact that a bipartisan effort got G-S repealed (and the entirely predictable ensuing financial butt-rape that actually followed) should speak volumes and should be mind opening to anybody who thinks that politicians actually give a shit about us. They are in it for themselves and the 2 party system keeps them nice and comfy in their power.

 

[WelshBloke]

However, the [the Western World] has never been as corrupt or authoritarian in its entire existence...

(Changed your area to the West)

I don't think things are more corrupt or authoritarian, I just think that we are in a position where it's much harder for governments to keep things quite.
We just find out about the corruption much easier now.
Imagine how hard it would be to steal and disseminate governments dirty secrets in the 60s.

 

[TreVader]

(Changed your area to the West)

I don't think things are more corrupt or authoritarian, I just think that we are in a position where it's much harder for governments to keep things quite.
We just find out about the corruption much easier now.
Imagine how hard it would be to steal and disseminate governments dirty secrets in the 60s.

Is the UK like this?



I think the US is without a doubt 10x more authoritarian than any western european regime. You guys just don't even know, the cops here are to be feared. If you see a cop behind you in traffic, you don't feel "safer", you wonder what crazy, totally illegal maneuver he will pull next; Because if he crashes into you, no matter what crazy insane bullshit he was doing, you are gonna pay.

Maybe in the UK stuff comes up easier, but here our authorities have zero responsibility and tend never to be arrested for anything unless it's extremely grievous. The US has a two-teared prison system anyway: One for low class criminals and another, much nicer and softer one for white collar crooks and authorities. They get caught doing shit all the time here, and if they have any authority they are just never held responsible.

 

[WelshBloke]

I think the US is without a doubt 10x more authoritarian than any western european regime. You guys just don't even know, the cops here are to be feared. If you see a cop behind you in traffic, you don't feel "safer", you wonder what crazy, totally illegal maneuver he will pull next; Because if he crashes into you, no matter what crazy insane bullshit he was doing, you are gonna pay.

Our police are pretty chilled out for the most part. You certainly unlikely to be shot by one of them.
Traffic cops are particularly laid back.

Maybe in the UK stuff comes up easier, but here our authorities have zero responsibility and tend never to be arrested for anything unless it's extremely grievous. The US has a two-teared prison system anyway: One for low class criminals and another, much nicer and softer one for white collar crooks and authorities. They get caught doing shit all the time here, and if they have any authority they are just never held responsible.

That's about the same as it is here, although I think that we jail less people in general.

 

[Knowing]

Hacked documents reveal that the Feds have requested quotes to perform astroturfing. Does anyone believe that the political parties are not doing similar astroturfing?

From my perspective, I'd feel a lot more comfortable thinking that many of these partisan posts come from bots rather than from organic units...

Uno

Across the intertubes, the volume of easily discredited partisan posts is alarming to me. Sometimes it's so easy I think that the person posting actually knows that they're giving the "other side" political ammunition. Having seen the development and ultimate demise of both the Tea Party and Occupy movements, it is difficult for me to believe that covert, competing, and well funded agendas weren't at play. /metallic headwear

 

[Smoblikat]

I'm not even conservative, this place is so overwhelmingly dumb liberal that I end up taking their side. I don't agree with the far right either. This place is far left.

I think the liberals are just more outspoken than the people with brains. They just scream and push their points as loud as they can as often as possible because they are desperately trying to get people to listen. Normal people say what they have to say and move on.

 

[Thebobo]