Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: CalamitousSoul
umm.... ok to that... you traded a system with not that many good games
for another system with even more not that many good games.
actually.... you may have just traded the ps2 for splinter cell, halo, and metal gear...yet you've already played metal gear soo ermm yeah... also.... if you're going sound wise.. there is not that big a difference... thats just like saying the Genesis was a better system over the SNES because of its "Sound"
and about this boot thing.... umm yeah like what is the difference majorly that was sooo anoying?
I mean.. I would have agreed with your statement about the xbox trade if you mentioned the Harddrive, ability to copy your games on to it and the fact that it is a wonderfly hacked system. but no... you go on and on about how this game and that game and sound and blah blah blah.
DID I ALSO MENTION THAT YOU CAN PLAY SNES ON IT? phoooie!
Yeah they're all shitty to me. But my pc and I... we're pals...
Cant we all just get along? SNES w00t was'nt flaming ......Directly.
Different strokes for different folks. No need to flame him. I could flame you about how $hitty the GC and PS2 are but I'm not going to
The PS2 has a lot of games, but, as usual, most of them aren't that good. The Xbox has less games and not all of them are that great either. The games I was most interested in is Splinter Cell and it has definitely made my happy with my purchase. The Xbox has potential for modchips, larger hard drives, but I'm not interested in that (yet). Games are why people buy console systems, people shouldn't be console's because of a name, etc. More games doesn't make a "better" system, its specific titles that people enjoy, and they don't care what system they enjoy it on.umm.... ok to that... you traded a system with not that many good games for another system with even more not that many good games. actually.... you may have just traded the ps2 for splinter cell, halo, and metal gear...yet you've already played metal gear soo ermm yeah... also.... if you're going sound wise.. there is not that big a difference... thats just like saying the Genesis was a better system over the SNES because of its "Sound" and about this boot thing.... umm yeah like what is the difference majorly that was sooo anoying? I mean.. I would have agreed with your statement about the xbox trade if you mentioned the Harddrive, ability to copy your games on to it and the fact that it is a wonderfly hacked system. but no... you go on and on about how this game and that game and sound and blah blah blah.DID I ALSO MENTION THAT YOU CAN PLAY SNES ON IT? phoooie!
For the sound differences, there is a definitely difference in all my games with the Xbox. Hook up the PS2 to a nice receivers and speakers doesn't do the console justice. After the Xbox has pushed sound through my home theater system (even not in a FMV), I was sold on the box.
vash
The back power switch is one thing I like about my PS2. My three year old son has no idea that there is a switch on the back, thus he does not mess with the PS2. I may be dumping the PS2 as soon as I finish Vice City. I hardly ever turn on the PS2.
Gawd..not another idiot claiming 5.1 sound isn't all its cracked up to be. Anyone who says there is little difference between a 5.1 track and a vanilla Dolby Surround track should be enrolled at Gallaudet or has simply never experienced DD/DTS 5.1 sound. I'm amazed how every XBox game I own takes full advantage of DD 5.1. The ambient sounds and directional FX are truly amazing, especially in games like Splinter Cell (Mech Assault is pretty darn cool too...rumbling from the controller and deep bass from my woofer with the sound of buildings crashing behind me ).
Chiz
(Mech Assault is pretty darn cool too...rumbling from the controller and deep bass from my woofer with the sound of buildings crashing behind me ).Chiz
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I wouldnt even think about trading in a 200 dollar system AND 8 freakings games for 1 system. I would just buy it if i wanted it but i am disappointed in all fields of gaming for the past freaking 5 years or so
Console gaming: welcome to the suck
PC Gaming: Hi we havent made a genuinely good game since Half-Life
The last really good game on a console i remember playing was FF7, i have a gamecube and a PS2 ( well i didnt buy them my little brother bought the gamecube and we got the PS2 for christmas) but i have yet to buy a game for either because there is absolutely nothing out there, I was greatly disappointed with the over hyped metroid and PS2 really hasnt put anything out either.
Splinter Cell looks OK but tom clancy games have always played crappily at best and im doubtful about it and Halo is nice and all but its not end all be all like people make it out to be IMO.
Console gaming: welcome to the suck
PC Gaming: Hi we havent made a genuinely good game since Half-Life
The last really good game on a console i remember playing was FF7, i have a gamecube and a PS2 ( well i didnt buy them my little brother bought the gamecube and we got the PS2 for christmas) but i have yet to buy a game for either because there is absolutely nothing out there, I was greatly disappointed with the over hyped metroid and PS2 really hasnt put anything out either.
Splinter Cell looks OK but tom clancy games have always played crappily at best and im doubtful about it and Halo is nice and all but its not end all be all like people make it out to be IMO.
Sounds like you need to buy a DaveNBuster (TM). It plays all the best games, graphics rock, sound rocks and comes with all necessary hardware. I think they are on sale for ~$120,490,400. You may be able to get it cheaper, but YMMV.
Chiz
Most of the titles I had were first gen PS2 titles and didn't show off the system very well, so they weren't really titles I cared to hang onto at any rate. Console gaming is quite good, but I play PC titles as well. Problem is, with PC titles, I want to upgrade my box on a very frequent basis just to play the latest game (UT2K3 is a good example). If you find all console games disappointing, maybe you aren't looking at the right games. Pick a genre for PS2 and you'll find a good chunk of quality titles (the GC will have a few less), just have to know specifically what you are looking for.
Splinter Cell isn't the typical Tom Clancy game (there are some similar elements). This game isn't a FPS title, its third person with much more interaction with the enviroment than all R6 titles. This game can moved through with minimal killing (so far), it really emphasizes the use of stealth.
vash
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I like pretty much everything except racing and sim games
FPS
Fighting
Adventure
Strategy games ( have to be really good I liked Cubed i think it was called for PS1 where the cubes kept rolling forward and u had to blow em up not enough to buy it though)
RPG
Shooters
some sports games (NBA Jam/Hangtime etc etc)
It just seems to me that all the quality game makers disappeared, i wont buy a game if im gonna play it/beat it one time than toss it...
FPS
Fighting
Adventure
Strategy games ( have to be really good I liked Cubed i think it was called for PS1 where the cubes kept rolling forward and u had to blow em up not enough to buy it though)
RPG
Shooters
some sports games (NBA Jam/Hangtime etc etc)
It just seems to me that all the quality game makers disappeared, i wont buy a game if im gonna play it/beat it one time than toss it...
That's why I usually buy games based on their multiplayer support. A Single player only game has to be damn incredible for me to justify playing through it once (or a few times) and then discarding it. That's why I finally decided on getting a GC, b/c of Live. I'm going to focus strictly on games that are on XBox that offer multiplayer support that I won't be able to find on my PC.
I think the issue you describe is a much bigger problem with PC games than with console games. Consoles generally have Q&A and licensing standards set by the console makers, so that in itself limits the number of games available. I've found through the years that console games are generally more polished than PC games. Even the best PC games need to be polished through patches and expansions. The most frustrating aspect of online gaming on the PC is that few games have real support. The company releases the game and just forgets about you. A game that could be excellent online slowly loses its initial fanbase, and just ends up dying within a few months. Companies like Blizzard understand that the way to extend a game's shelf-life is to develop a community and support existing games. I think M$ is on the same track with Live, and with the limited Xbox titles, there should always be plenty of people to frag online.
Chiz
PS I can't wait for NCAA 2k3 on Live
With that list, I think a good majority of them can be found with the PS2 -- except for FPS games (the PS2 hardware cannot handle the amount of poly in a game like Halo, Unreal Warfare, etc). For all of the rest, I am 100% positive you can find good games (maybe just a handful) for each of those genre. With hundreds of PS2 titles to choose from, there have to be, at least 2-3 of each that could be considered good. Also, if you want to include the entire line of PlayStation games, you could go further back and play original PSX games on the PS2.
Want names of titles of a specific genre? I think the ATOT posters can start naming plenty.
vash
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Let's not fight about the consoles guys!! Every one has it's own strengths and weaknesses.
XBOX
+ has XBOX Live, most powerful of all consoles
- not many must have titles
PS2
+ lots of proven excellent games in many genres
- the "underdog" of processing power compared to other consoles
Gamecube
+ only place to play Nintendo games - Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Star Fox
- not everyone likes the great Nintendo games
XBOX
+ has XBOX Live, most powerful of all consoles
- not many must have titles
PS2
+ lots of proven excellent games in many genres
- the "underdog" of processing power compared to other consoles
Gamecube
+ only place to play Nintendo games - Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Star Fox
- not everyone likes the great Nintendo games
I wish PS2 fanboys would quit with the "but we've got more games". You do realize that more than 3/4 of your games suck ass?
The proof is in the pudding.
XBox has 21 9.0 or higher rated games on IGN.
PS2 has 49 9.0 or higher rated games on IGN.
Now realize that XBox has probably 75 current titles. Now look at PS2 that has over 300? You do the math and see who's got the better ratio of quality games vs generic crap that's just throw out there.
Also realize that PS2 has a year headstart on the XBox release. XBox's is Microsoft 1st console and has only been out a year, yet it's only got 1/2 the quality titles.
Not to mention that all the major sports games are released on both systems, so you'll never miss those.
Then the XBox has Live! which is lightyears beyond the PS2 lag ridden internet gaming system.
I own all three consoles. I haven't touched my GC in 4 months. I need to get metroid though. My PS2 just sits also cause there's nothing out there right now that seems good enough to get or rent. My XBox is used all the time by Me and my Son cause there's a ton of fun games that just look and sound so great on our HT. Just personal preference but PS2 is just looking and feeling dated.
The proof is in the pudding.
XBox has 21 9.0 or higher rated games on IGN.
PS2 has 49 9.0 or higher rated games on IGN.
Now realize that XBox has probably 75 current titles. Now look at PS2 that has over 300? You do the math and see who's got the better ratio of quality games vs generic crap that's just throw out there.
Also realize that PS2 has a year headstart on the XBox release. XBox's is Microsoft 1st console and has only been out a year, yet it's only got 1/2 the quality titles.
Not to mention that all the major sports games are released on both systems, so you'll never miss those.
Then the XBox has Live! which is lightyears beyond the PS2 lag ridden internet gaming system.
I own all three consoles. I haven't touched my GC in 4 months. I need to get metroid though. My PS2 just sits also cause there's nothing out there right now that seems good enough to get or rent. My XBox is used all the time by Me and my Son cause there's a ton of fun games that just look and sound so great on our HT. Just personal preference but PS2 is just looking and feeling dated.
Proof again, titles sell systems. The PS2 has more quality titles, but their entire library is larger as well. We all buy systems for games, not for their hardware. The Xbox is serving me well, the sounds are great in Sega GT as well as all other titles. At this point, I'm considering getting the higher end AV pack to replace my DVD player (want the component cables).
vash
i don't want to get into the senseless war because i love both my xbox and ps2. but your logic is misplaced. yes the ps2 had a year headstart and yeah it has many more crappy games. but as you stated, it has almost twice as many good ones as the xbox. you are assuming the ps2's library will stand still yet the xbox's library will grow and eventually catch up. but no. the ps2 already has a great library and it will continue to grow as the xbox's library of good games grow. for the buyer who wants the good games here and now, and as you have stated yourself, the ps2 has more good games here and now.
<<but as you stated, it has almost twice as many good ones as the xbox. you are assuming the ps2's library will stand still yet the xbox's library will grow and eventually catch up. but no. the ps2 already has a great library and it will continue to grow as the xbox's library of good games grow. for the buyer who wants the good games here and now, and as you have stated yourself, the ps2 has more good games here and now. >>
Um no that's not what i stated at all, nice twisting my words though? I never stated that i think the PS2 library will stand still. Sure it will keep growing, but the fact that the XBox has SUPERIOR hardware inside allows it to have better games over the next year or two. The games can only get BETTER (as apparent with Splinter Cell) once companies know how to fully utilize the XBox capabilities. PS2 has no upside right now? Same old games, same blocky old looking graphics w/ inferior sound and no HDTV support. Plus the fact that their online gaming is lacking.
You also have to take into account that some of those PS2 games that were rated 9.0 are more than 2 years old by now. Microsoft is still fresh and people are just buying it for the christmas season (as apparent by all the people just on AT wanting one). Halo was their first game that scored a 9.0 and it's graphics are superior to anything the PS2 has/had. See what i mean?
Um no that's not what i stated at all, nice twisting my words though? I never stated that i think the PS2 library will stand still. Sure it will keep growing, but the fact that the XBox has SUPERIOR hardware inside allows it to have better games over the next year or two. The games can only get BETTER (as apparent with Splinter Cell) once companies know how to fully utilize the XBox capabilities. PS2 has no upside right now? Same old games, same blocky old looking graphics w/ inferior sound and no HDTV support. Plus the fact that their online gaming is lacking.
You also have to take into account that some of those PS2 games that were rated 9.0 are more than 2 years old by now. Microsoft is still fresh and people are just buying it for the christmas season (as apparent by all the people just on AT wanting one). Halo was their first game that scored a 9.0 and it's graphics are superior to anything the PS2 has/had. See what i mean?
IGN is heavily biased towards the X-Box. For what it's worth (scraped from some corner of the web a while back):
I would consider getting an X-box, only for online play in Capcom vs SNK 2, and for stuff like the Xbox media player. I'm happy with my PS2, GTA3, and qcast tuner...
regardless, anyone who is bias towards one system is the one losing out. if u really care about the games, you'd eventually buy all the systems.
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Don't forget that even though the PS2 has more "great" games, the Xbox already has enough that unless you're a recluse you'd never have time to play them all anyway. So if the Xbox has 20 great games the PS2 can have 5 million; it doesn't matter, unless you're unable to find a match among those 20 great games.
How about pick a genre and we'll start populating, it can't be any more difficult than that, no? What we all consider great games is completely subjective, so you may not believe what we say anyhow... Pick and I'm sure others will chime in to list their favorites.
vash
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OK, WTF ever. Just 75 games? Uh, no. Try tripling that number. I beleive I saw an XBOX ad not too long ago that boasted over 200 games alone. Let me find a link that proves my post.
And, by the way, I'm not a fanboy, I love Vice City, I absolutely love playing MotoGP on Live, and I'm waiting to rent Prime to try it out.
I just hate it when you people get in arguments on which one is better, and CAN'T GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT FOR A FAIR FIGHT!!!
EDIT: GO HERE. Only change these items, change Platform to XBOX, change Minimum Reviews / Votes to 1, and change Limit Results To to 200. It will list them in their rankings order. It also only lists 200 maximum, so you can change Best or Worst to worst, and it will show them in reverse order, showing those that wasn't on the best list. But it only adds 7.
TOTAL NUMBER OF CURRENTLY REVIEWED XBOX GAMES: 207
TOTAL NUMBER OF CURRENTLY REVIEWED PS2 GAMES: over 400
TOTAL NUMBER OF CURRENTLY REVIEWED GAMCUBE GAMES: 160
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