Toyota Supra from "The Fast and the Furious"

[geno]

wth are you talking about? You were bashing this car since you think it can only run 12.2s - which I'm telling you that a Supra with 550HP can do better - which I proved by showing you cars that run 12.2s with 100HP less! Were you not reading my post? Yea, the cars had .2 shaved off, but they're working with HP figures in the low 400s. What don't you get about that? They're not only weaker than the car jonnyjack posted - but they're faster too. So I proved my point about you bashing this car and how slow it is for all the parts it has sunk in it. The car can obviously run in the lower 11's but it just wasn't run hard enough. I'm not talking about running 9's, where the hell did you pull that one from?

 

[mrCide]

I'm sorry but the cost of the car + the mods, I'd definately get a Modena.

 

[kamiam]

genocide


<< which I proved by showing you cars that run 12.2s with 100HP >>


kamiam


<< all you've really shown me is 2 links of pixs of cars that you claim go that fast and one w/at least a parts list...one very similar to the supra in the article in this thread but w/ no E.T.'s just your claim of an E.T....and even taking your #'s into consideration... >>


genocide


<< My point is - 12.2 isn't pressing that car's limits - no way, no how. A Viper runs those kinds of times with 450HP. If you think that Supra is being pushed to it's limits with that 12.2 time >>


well if it isnt pushed to it's limits @ 12.2 or even 11.18 then show me something that IS pushed to its limits...like one that can go into the mid 9's

 

[geno]

kamiam - no one's talking about going to 9's. When I say pushing the car to it's limits, I'm speaking about the actual 550 horse engine being pushed to it's limits. That 550 horses is capable of way better times than 12.2, and I proved this to you. I don't see what you're trying to argue. You want to see a Supra do 9's? There's ones out there, and they're perfectly streetable. But I'm not arguing about Supras doing 9's, I proved to you that this car was capable of better times while you bashed it for being so slow - I guess I'm done here for now

 

[kamiam]

genocide


<< and I proved this to you >>


sorry bud you havn't proved very much...
kamiam


<< << all you've really shown me is 2 links of pixs of cars that you claim go that fast and one w/at least a parts list...one very similar to the supra in the article in this thread but w/ no E.T.'s just your claim of an E.T....and even taking your #'s into consideration... >> >>




<< That 550 horses is capable of way better times than 12.2, and I proved this to you. >>


please see my quote above...


<< You want to see a Supra do 9's? There's ones out there, and they're perfectly streetable. >>


then SHOW ME


<< I proved to you that this car was capable of better times while you bashed it for being so slow - I guess I'm done here for now >>


once again please see my quote above...


<< I guess I'm done here for now >>


yep I'd have to agree...

 

[Jamestl]

kamiam: First thing you gotta realize about Supras is that it has IRS. the last time i checked, the fastest IRS domestic ran in the 10's (A Vette, i believe). Now there are plenty of Supras that run in the single digits with IRS.

second, like genocide already stated, that car should NOT be running in the 12's. With a BPU (basic performance upgrade) car, the Supra can run 11's. how much does BPU cost? about $2k. Go HERE for an explanation of what a BPU upgrade consists of. now, after you have read the previous link, go here to look at the times for BPU cars. A BPU car has around 400-425RWHP, and if you look at the times, you'll see HUGE differences between the best driver and the worst driver. i.e:
Casey Moore 1997 Twin 6-spd ~410 RWHP ~450 ft/lbs 13.06@113.7
Butch Richcreek 1997 Twin 6-spd 409 RWHP 427 ft/lbs 11.87@ 120.6

These two cars are both using stock twin turbos, and probably have pretty much the same mods.
What this means is that the driver of the F&amp;F Supra CAN'T drive! Do you understand his point now?

 

[geno]

OK then I'll lay it out to you like this. You bash a car because you think it's slow, and it's not. It just so happens that some hack took it out for a run and they posted that figure up on this site. You proceed to talk about how much was but into the car and how it was still slow. I show you similar cars with over 100HP less than what you're bashing - RUNNING LOWER TIMES! Tada! Point proven, the car that you're bashing is capable of low 11's and you fail to see that still. For some weird reason you keep asking about how much it'll take to put that car into the 9's whatever. And do you think I just pulled these times out of my ass? I found them all on MKIV.com, check them yourself.

runs 11's on slicks Not many mods at all (exhaust, clutch, adjusted timing, extra boost)

I'm officialy done here since you don't really like facts

 

[Jamestl]

[/i] >>


well if it isnt pushed to it's limits @ 12.2 or even 11.18 then show me something that IS pushed to its limits...like one that can go into the mid 9's[/i] >>



here you go:

Ben Blalock 1993 Single Auto 1227 HP 966 ft/lbs 9.98@118

on the same page as my last link

 

[Kroze]

<< kamiam, a supercharger and nitrous will throw most cars into 12's... And that is no where near 50k >>



That's just stupid. Last time i check, an MKIV (Supra 4th Generation 1993-1997) Twin Turbo Intercooled Model is just around $44,000. Just add a couple thousands to it and you'll get around ~800HP. Check out the 2 new magazine &quot;Sport Compact Car&quot; and &quot;Import Tuners&quot; this month. The Supra is on both covers showing their 800ness. It's nowhere near $150K.

 

[Kroze]

Also, there's a whole bunch of Supra Videos on Morpheus. There's an excellent one showing the Supra vs. Ferrari. It's a professional Race (instead of street races) held by the Japanese so there's no Bias. Also there's a really cool one showing the MKIV vs. Saleen Mustang.

 

[Kroze]

<< That car is ugly.

Why do people go to such excess when blinging up the exterior?


First of all, it it slammed to the ground with huge under body spoilers. Giving it a 2 inch ground clearance (or at least that's what it looks like to me.)
Those side designs are retarded. Why can't they just keep it one color.
And that rear spoiler, good God, what trash.
Then we have the windshield banner, another pointless addon.


This car is way too overdone. There are so many better looking Supras out there. >>



The Spoiler is the Supra's Signature during the 4th Generation. I think it's the only car ever came with a bigarse stock spoiler.

 

[Jamestl]

here's more &quot;radical&quot; Supras:

Humberto Aubi 1993 Single Auto ~700 RWHP ~675 ft/lbs 9.83@139
his website: here

Larry Prebis 1993 Single Auto 532 RWHP 499.6 ft/lbs 9.54@144.86
his webasite: here

Marko Djuric 1993 Single Auto 712 RWHP 661 ft/lbs 9.83@141

Paul Efantis 1997 Single 6-spd 640 RWHP w/no nos 580 ft/lbs 9.81@136 w/no nos


are you satisfied? enough proof?

 

[Jamestl]

and here is ian 8 sec one:

Tetsuya Konishi 1997 Twin 6-spd 1400+ RWHP 972 ft/lbs 8.92@186

 

[Cable God]

mystkal, I don't look down on you guys just because you choose a import as your project car. I don't think it's stupid or that you guys are dumb or anything like that. Different strokes for different folks. I guess a lot of it has to do with the fact that I was raised as a greasemonkey with my dad building Chevelle's, Camaro's, Nova's, Vega's, etc. If you can get a 4 or 6 banger to run 12's, that is impressive, NOS, Turbo or N/A. I just like the rumble of a huge roller cam and a big stall. Not to mention toting the tires past the 60ft. mark. That is what it's all about to me. I respect you guys. I never know what's going to happen when the Supra in the next lane to me at the redlight decides to let me hear his pop-off valve. I could hand him his @ss, or he could hand me mine. I know there are Supra's, etc. out there that can do it. It just hasn't happened to me yet. When it does, that's the day I start looking for more power for round 2. It's all about having fun and gobs of torque and horsepower.

 

[Rifter]

one of my asian friends has a 97 supra, turns out about 470HP(i know it aint much) but he runs mid-high 10's. His goal is to get it lower than 10. And it can corner like a mofo. All he has done is some minor work(header, exaust, intake, bigger intercooler, running stock turbo at 21PSI) He put more money into looks(carbon fiber hood, paint, wheels, etc.) than on the engine mods.

 

[Jamestl]

you're right. a lot of people don't realize what a turbo car is capable of these days and i'm glad you realize that engine size isn't the only factor that affects a car's power. I too like the rumble of a big ass V8, but i like turbo whines and BOV (blow off valve) even more. If you ever get a chance to ride in a single turbo supra, DO IT!! I had the pleasure of riding in one through a tunnel last year and the turbo whine was freakin SCARY!

 

[kamiam]

well finally some real #'s... a &quot;twin turbo&quot;...but is it modded any further??? like lightening the body,adding slicks or exaust headers...how about special gearing in the tranny and rear end( I am assuming these are rwd)then how is the suspension setup??? all these can increase E.T....it does tend to say &quot;stock&quot; for the engine but not much more...and by the way I saw one @1200 horse doing very high 9's I'll bet that was heavily modded... wonder how much $$$ he sunk into that one... also you would probably agree its about as fast as its going to get...the muscle car on the other hand given just a few thousand $$$will still kick its ass..nice college try boys and thank you for finally giving me some statistics... ... betcha that guy who pulled 9.97 had a lot more sunk into it than a mere few thousand... the mods to your supra... intake exaust Rod Millen Downpipe Bogart Racing Wheels 16X10
Mickey Thompson Slicks BCC9whatever that is) Unorthodox Cam Gears


<< Not many mods at all >>

well imho (not many mods) would be the slicksand the exaust...no not many mods probably just a &quot;few thousand&quot; however I will admit that the supra in the article w/ the $40K mods probably was a lame driver...if these cars are any example... oh and by the way a hemi mopar in stock form (with the exception of slicks and open exaust) will still beat your 11.4 modded supra

btw guys I'm not putting down your cars...yes they are fast however as the saying goes theres no substitute for cubic inches and what ever you do to your cars I can do the same and still win

 

[Cable God]

James, I know what you mean. A friend of mine has a '96 BPU TT running mid-11's. He drives it every day 80 miles one way to work and 80 miles back. It is scary as hell when I ride in it. I prefer to make a 160mph blast in my 6 Spd. LS1 Camaro than in his Supra. I just feel safer in my 3800lb. lead sled I don't really want to run him anyways because I know what would happen. I would jump and pull about 6 cars and hold it to the 1000 ft. mark and then he would just walk on past after that I run 12.0's at 113-116 now depending on how good of a launch I get. He runs mid 11's at 118-122 depending on the launch. Oh, yea, at least you don't have to worry about a little @ss 7.5&quot; 10-Bolt rear end blowing apart in a Supra. That's another good thing for the Supra's. I blew the ring and pinion into dust 2 weeks ago in my camaro. I guess the GM designers drank a little too much the night before they decided what rear end to put in the LS1 Camaro and Firebird. Pure stupidity.

 

[kamiam]

Jamestl
Humberto Aubi 1993 Single Auto ~700 RWHP ~675 ft/lbs 9.83@139
his website: here

Larry Prebis 1993 Single Auto 532 RWHP 499.6 ft/lbs 9.54@144.86
his webasite: here

Marko Djuric 1993 Single Auto 712 RWHP 661 ft/lbs 9.83@141

Paul Efantis 1997 Single 6-spd 640 RWHP w/no nos 580 ft/lbs 9.81@136 w/no nos


are you satisfied? enough proof?


once again I must point out that the only thing you've shown me is pixs, with your &quot;word&quot; of their E.T.'s..sorry , in this case a pix IS NOT worth a thousand words...
however at least this link you provided gives me something to see...here

 

[Jamestl]

<< well finally some real #'s... a &quot;twin turbo&quot;...but is it modded any further??? like lightening the boby,adding slicks or exaust headers...how about special gearing in the tranny and rear end( I am assuming these are rwd)then how is the suspension setup??? all these can increase E.T....it does tend to say &quot;stock&quot; for the engine but not much more...and by the way I saw one @1200 horse doing very high 9's I'll bet that was heavily modded... wonder how much $$$ he sunk into that one... also you would probably agree its about as fast as its going to get...the muscle car on the other hand given just a few thousand $$$will still kick its ass..nice college try boys and thank you for finally giving me some statistics... ... betcha that guy who pulled 9.97 had a lot more sunk into it than a mere few thousand... the mods to your supra... intake exaust Rod Millen Downpipe Bogart Racing Wheels 16X10
Mickey Thompson Slicks BCC9whatever that is) Unorthodox Cam Gears >>



twin turbo means the stock turbos. lightening the body? sure, they probably took out the spare and the passenger headlight. slicks? depends on the driver. headers? not unless they went to an aftermarket turbo. no special gearing in the tranny or rear end (not on the ones i quoted anyway). suspension? I told you these cars have Independent Rear Suspension. if you go look at the NHRA rulebooks, IRS cars aren't even suppose to be running faster than 9.99. but the rule is largely ignored. actually, if you think that 1200hp guy was a good driver, i got news for you. these cars in japan (supra, skyline, etc) run 7's so no, it's not as fast as it's going to get. so tell me, if i go buy a LS1 right now, how much would it cost me to run high 11's? less than $2k (without N2O and slicks)? i don't know why you used bold words for cam gears. they aren't really needed beyond 500RWHP




<< well imho (not many mods) would be the slicksand the exaust...no not many mods probably just a &quot;few thousand&quot; however I will admit that the supra in the article w/ the $40K mods probably was a lame driver...if these cars are any example... oh and by the way a hemi mopar in stock form (with the exception of slicks and open exaust) will still beat your 11.4 modded supra >>



i don't know much about domestics, so that might be true. i agree that if you buy a car for the SOLE purpose of running down the 1/4, you can't beat domestics for the price. but if you want something more, like a car that can handle well, be daily driven, is RELIABLE, and still have all the luxuries of a Lexus, then domestics your Mopar won't cut it.

 

[kamiam]

<< lightening the body >>

no... what I mean by that is to replace body panels w/composite replicas,taking out every unneccessary piece of metal...

<< no special gearing in the tranny or rear end >>

and you know this how???

<< suspension? I told you these cars have Independent Rear Suspension >>

how about the front...there are tricks that can be done to the front that will aid in &quot;hooking up&quot; @ launch

<< i got news for you. these cars in japan (supra, skyline, etc) run 7's so no, it's not as fast as it's going to get. >>

once again do you have figures and stats to back that up???

<< LS1 right now, how much would it cost me to run high 11's >>

I really don't know ls1's that much...it is a chevy right...however the hemi can and will


<< i don't know much about domestics, so that might be true. i agree that if you buy a car for the SOLE purpose of running down the 1/4, you can't beat domestics for the price. but if you want something more, like a car that can handle well, be daily driven, is RELIABLE, and still have all the luxuries of a Lexus, then domestics your Mopar won't cut it. >>


and on this I wholeheartily agree

 

[Jamestl]

<< once again I must point out that the only thing you've shown me is pixs, with your &quot;word&quot; of their E.T.'s..sorry , in this case a pix IS NOT worth a thousand words...
however at least this link you provided gives me something to see...here >>



so what do you want? i don't know those people, i don't own a supra, what can i PROVE to you besides what i can find? i can't beam to you my memories at the track can i?

now if we turn the tables, how bout you prove something YOU said?

 

[Jamestl]

<< James, I know what you mean. A friend of mine has a '96 BPU TT running mid-11's. He drives it every day 80 miles one way to work and 80 miles back. It is scary as hell when I ride in it. I prefer to make a 160mph blast in my 6 Spd. LS1 Camaro than in his Supra. I just feel safer in my 3800lb. lead sled I don't really want to run him anyways because I know what would happen. I would jump and pull about 6 cars and hold it to the 1000 ft. mark and then he would just walk on past after that I run 12.0's at 113-116 now depending on how good of a launch I get. He runs mid 11's at 118-122 depending on the launch. Oh, yea, at least you don't have to worry about a little @ss 7.5&quot; 10-Bolt rear end blowing apart in a Supra. That's another good thing for the Supra's. I blew the ring and pinion into dust 2 weeks ago in my camaro. I guess the GM designers drank a little too much the night before they decided what rear end to put in the LS1 Camaro and Firebird. Pure stupidity. >>



let's not get into the reliability issue here...

since you own a LS1, tell me something. if i want an 800RWHP LS1, what parts do i have to replace? on the supra: turbo/fuel system/clutch/cams/exhaust/intake and some other small things. what's the max amount of power your 6-speed or auto can handle? stock internals?

 

[Kroze]

<< one of my asian friends has a 97 supra, turns out about 470HP(i know it aint much) but he runs mid-high 10's. His goal is to get it lower than 10. And it can corner like a mofo. All he has done is some minor work(header, exaust, intake, bigger intercooler, running stock turbo at 21PSI) He put more money into looks(carbon fiber hood, paint, wheels, etc.) than on the engine mods. >>



He's is one of those kind responsible for giving Asians bad names (Rice boys).

 

[Jamestl]

Not to mention he's BSing like mad. 10's on the stock turbo?!?! right....