It's not going to bother me that it's over. I have 2 HD DVD players and a few titles that I can continue to enjoy (mostly free from the rebates). I might even pick up another player when they start giving them away. I may also buy quite a few titles when they become < $10.
key word sales. How much of ALL music do you think is bought on CD first. I haven't bought a CD in years.
On the contrary. You should be very happy. That problem will now go away much faster since there will be a huge increase in competition between the major hardware companies that produce these players. That competition will drive prices down and quality up. In fact, it has already started. Besides, one of the major reasons why some players can't play the disks is because those players were designed before the format of Blu Ray changed and they do not support the new changes. Everything will be standardized quickly now.
Market penetration doesn't matter if this many producers and hardware companies are already following suit. The small percentage of the market is basically making the decision for everyone. By the time the majority of the market starts making the switch, there will not be a choice for them to make unless some additional format tries to compete with Blu Ray. HD DVD will already be a dinosaur.
Aikouka
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HD-DVD supports 51GB with 3 layers and the change made to go from 15G per layer to 17GB actually.
If you really want to play more of the layer game, you could mention that there is a 200GB Blu-Ray disc that was made, the only problem is, I believe none of the players can actually use it. I don't know about 3 layer BR support, I don't think there's really any need right now? Although, a few of my BR movies did come on two discs such as Pirates of the Caribbean and Superbad. I bet if they didn't include PCM audio it could've been on one disc
.Also, in regards to disk space, that doesn't matter either. Blu-ray is already the PC drive of choice over HD DVD which is where this disk space issue really applies. Customers do not care otherwise. Even though the drives are not popular yet, they will be. If you need proof just monitor what Dell and Alienware are offering these days.
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I actually had a choice to purchase one with my new Dell laptop but I passed it up. $400 for a slow burner + having to buy $200 drives for 2 of my PCs? No thanks
It was just like this with DVD Burners when they first came out. Before you know it we will all be looking at Dell's site and not have the option of purchasing a stand alone DVD burner.
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DVD was also minuscule once against VHS; player and media prices were very high compared to VHS. Guess what? The market eventually migrates. HDTV owners will eventually migrate.
With the 2009 DTV switch, the CE industry is expecting record setting sales of HDTVs. Coupled with cheaper Blu-Ray players this fall, the format will do great. Also remember that CE companies are looking for a new format with higher margins than DVD (margins for DVD players and media are razor thin these days); Blu-Ray provides them just that.
CE industry support + studio support + retailer support...I just don't see Blu-Ray anything stopping mass market adoption. Prices for players and media will go down; they always do.
Aikouka
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Yet the only thing that I have that would even promote the use of Blu-Ray or HD-DVD burnable discs would be the not-so-legit 720p H264 tv show downloads since they're 1.2GB a piece.
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Also maybe some large anime series, but most fit on maybe 2-3 DVDs.
Umm.. Did you even read my post? My point is that Blu-Ray isn't competing with HD-DVD, its competing with regular DVD and it is WAY WAY behind and studies show that most people don't have any interest in upgrading to it.
Yes, but study after study has shown that even current HDTV owners don't see any reason to upgrade. So even if Blu-Ray players drop to <$200, most people are currently happy with their $50 DVD player and their collection of DVD movies, so you're still not going to get them on board.
When DVD launched, studies showed huge consumer interest even though most people said they were holding off until it dropped in price. When 70%+ of people that currently own HDTVs say they have no interest in upgrading to Blu-Ray (or HD-DVD at the time when the survey was done) regardless of price, then you've got a real problem.
I've received 2 different batches of the HD DVDs from the rebates for buying the 360 add on drive in late October and the A2 at the $99 Walmart sale in November. The latter finally came last week.
DVDs were not subjected to a format war like this one. That alone means you are comparing apples and oranges. When the war ends and the prices drop you will see some serious sales increases amongst the entire customer pool. The demand will rise and it will rise a lot. Combine that with how SD channels are nearly extinct and you will also see HDTVs drop even more in price than you saw last year.
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I have to disagree. HDM is not going to take off until there's a single format whose pricing reflects, or only carries a slight premium to, SD DVD pricing.
SD channels are not going away in 2009. The mandate is digital, not neccesarily HD, and cable and satcos are not obligated under the mandate. Furthermore, the number of people who have HD ready sets who don't view HD programming isn't encouraging for an HD optical format. Granted, this can changes. Still, knowing this, I have a hard time believing people will consider it until the value for consumers increases.
I also have a hard time seeing how the prices are going to drop faster once things settle down. The fact that there are two formats has actually increased the pace of the price drops on both sides.
Whether it really takes off soon or not is not my argument. All I am saying is that by the time it does take off there will not be a choice between HD DVD or Blu Ray. It will just be Blu Ray.
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Give it time.
I remember when the DVD section at Best Buy was as small as the Blu-Ray section is right now.
Blu-Ray will be the new standard. The market finds a way to move forward.
Optical disc technology moved from 700MB CDs --> 4.5GB/9GB DVDs --> 25GB/50GB Blu-Rays
You guys didn't really think we would stick with 9GB DVDs until the end of time?
I remember when the DVD section at Best Buy was as small as the Blu-Ray section is right now.
Blu-Ray will be the new standard. The market finds a way to move forward.
Optical disc technology moved from 700MB CDs --> 4.5GB/9GB DVDs --> 25GB/50GB Blu-Rays
You guys didn't really think we would stick with 9GB DVDs until the end of time?
I'm not sure who you're aguing with - that wasn't the point of the person whose post you replied to. They were speculating on the potential of HDM vs DVD, not one HDM format vs the other. At this point, I don't think it's hard to say that BD has a big advantage in the marketplace. It's all but a given, moreso each day.
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