TorrentSpy shuts down in the U.S.

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: Stas

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: Stas
Ummm... did anyone mention freedom? What is this, fvcking China? What a pile of bullsh*t.

So you think it's your legal right to do something that's illegal?

It's no one's business what I do there (there is nothing illegal in accessing TorrentSpy). They can't just cut access to a media source just because it can be used "illegally." (Established - this is not the case) It's like shuting down a TV station because of the content. Ever heard of freedom of speech?

When a website hosts illegal content, then yes they sure can shut it down whenever they want.

While you may not do anything illegal just by visiting the website, if the website contains illegal information, then it can be shut down, regardless of what your use of it is.

But I seriously doubt you use torrentspy for anything other than illegally downloading copyrighted material.

 

[Stas]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: Stas
Ummm... did anyone mention freedom? What is this, fvcking China? What a pile of bullsh*t.

So you think it's your legal right to do something that's illegal?

what again, is illegal?

Downloading copyrighted material.

If you honestly think that TorrentSpy is used for anything other than that, then you are nuts.

Exactly, downloading copyrighted material.

What b.s is that?

i'm not saying it's legal, i'm syaing it's b.s that it is illegal, whether washington likes it or not, ppl still burn CDs all the time, still use limewire, and will STILL use torrentspy, even if they "say" it's shutdown.

ppl need to understand, no matter how much DRM crap they load onto a song, it will still be copied, they can't win, hence, making it harder is a waste of time, hence

it being illegal is b.s

Reminds me of illegal immigration laws...

 

[Golgatha]

BTW, it was Torrentspy's decision to block access, so it's not censorship. I think it's funny actually, because all the logs the MPAA sued to get will be completely useless since they won't have any US IP addresses.

I don't condone piracy, but I think the MPAA and RIAA are just evil organizations.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
That sux... oh well, Suprnova is up and running again....

Sure, run by the RIAA and MPAA directly too, I'll bet :laugh:

 

[Stas]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: Stas

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: Stas
Ummm... did anyone mention freedom? What is this, fvcking China? What a pile of bullsh*t.

So you think it's your legal right to do something that's illegal?

It's no one's business what I do there (there is nothing illegal in accessing TorrentSpy). They can't just cut access to a media source just because it can be used "illegally." (Established - this is not the case) It's like shuting down a TV station because of the content. Ever heard of freedom of speech?

When a website hosts illegal content, then yes they sure can shut it down whenever they want.

While you may not do anything illegal just by visiting the website, if the website contains illegal information, then it can be shut down, regardless of what your use of it is.

But I seriously doubt you use torrentspy for anything other than illegally downloading copyrighted material.

True. There are laws on what you can provide to the public (child porn for example). They can shut down the source and sue the distributor of that content. TorrentSpy is in a different country. They could've blocked their IP address nation-wide at the backbone - THAT'S illegal.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Stas

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: Stas
Ummm... did anyone mention freedom? What is this, fvcking China? What a pile of bullsh*t.

So you think it's your legal right to do something that's illegal?

what again, is illegal?

Downloading copyrighted material.

If you honestly think that TorrentSpy is used for anything other than that, then you are nuts.

Exactly, downloading copyrighted material.

What b.s is that?

i'm not saying it's legal, i'm syaing it's b.s that it is illegal, whether washington likes it or not, ppl still burn CDs all the time, still use limewire, and will STILL use torrentspy, even if they "say" it's shutdown.

ppl need to understand, no matter how much DRM crap they load onto a song, it will still be copied, they can't win, hence, making it harder is a waste of time, hence

it being illegal is b.s

Reminds me of illegal immigration laws...

See, in that case, we can win. If we Fence off every inch of our border, and recruit all 5% of unemployed americans to guard it, you think anyones getting in? no, but the internet is to big to shtudown filesharing, and hackers will always be there to share them anyways

 

[BigJ]

This thread has potential

 

[Stas]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Stas

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: Stas
Ummm... did anyone mention freedom? What is this, fvcking China? What a pile of bullsh*t.

So you think it's your legal right to do something that's illegal?

what again, is illegal?

Downloading copyrighted material.

If you honestly think that TorrentSpy is used for anything other than that, then you are nuts.

Exactly, downloading copyrighted material.

What b.s is that?

i'm not saying it's legal, i'm syaing it's b.s that it is illegal, whether washington likes it or not, ppl still burn CDs all the time, still use limewire, and will STILL use torrentspy, even if they "say" it's shutdown.

ppl need to understand, no matter how much DRM crap they load onto a song, it will still be copied, they can't win, hence, making it harder is a waste of time, hence

it being illegal is b.s

Reminds me of illegal immigration laws...

See, in that case, we can win. If we Fence off every inch of our border, and recruit all 5% of unemployed americans to guard it, you think anyones getting in? no, but the internet is to big to shtudown filesharing, and hackers will always be there to share them anyways

I meant current situation, not imaginary possibilities. Sure would be nice to have a fence - but unlikely to happen. And no one needs to shutdown filesharing - it's one of the greatest inventions of the 20th century.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: Stas

Originally posted by: mrrman

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: Stas
Ummm... did anyone mention freedom? What is this, fvcking China? What a pile of bullsh*t.

So you think it's your legal right to do something that's illegal?

I dont think its illegal at all...if its posted its anyones game

Exactly. If someone shares a file, I can download it. I don't give *** what RIAA says. I don't have to do a research to find out about possible copyrights and other BS. The legitimacy of sharing the file IS under question.

Sure, you can download it. But if it's copyrighted, you're breaking the law and doing something illegal.

Hmmm...this movie is still out in theaters....but it's posted so I can download it. I guess it's okay!

And you're calling me ignorant?

You cannot compare traffic laws with this. It's ridiculous. The fact is that a website is providing illegal content, therefore there is a legal reason why it can be shut down. It doesn't matter what you personally do with the website. The decision was not directed at you, it was directed at the website.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: Stas
Ummm... did anyone mention freedom? What is this, fvcking China? What a pile of bullsh*t.

So you think it's your legal right to do something that's illegal?

Actually, it is, as long as he doesn't mind being busted for it, it is his right to do it.

 

[Stas]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: Stas

Originally posted by: mrrman

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: Stas
Ummm... did anyone mention freedom? What is this, fvcking China? What a pile of bullsh*t.

So you think it's your legal right to do something that's illegal?

I dont think its illegal at all...if its posted its anyones game

Exactly. If someone shares a file, I can download it. I don't give *** what RIAA says. I don't have to do a research to find out about possible copyrights and other BS. The legitimacy of sharing the file IS under question.

Sure, you can download it. But if it's copyrighted, you're breaking the law and doing something illegal.

Hmmm...this movie is still out in theaters....but it's posted so I can download it. I guess it's okay!

And you're calling me ignorant?

You cannot compare traffic laws with this. It's ridiculous. The fact is that a website is providing illegal content, therefore there is a legal reason why it can be shut down. It doesn't matter what you personally do with the website. The decision was not directed at you, it was directed at the website.

What if the movie is unknown and not in the theaters? What if it's a game? A bunch of games are free and/or open source. Why do I, all of a sudden, have to verify the legitimacy?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Stas
What if the movie is unknown and not in the theaters? What if it's a game? A bunch of games are free and/or open source. Why do I, all of a sudden, have to verify the legitimacy?

Because ignorance has never been an excuse when it comes to the law.

You can try to justify entitlement mentality, but in the end it is your thinking that is broken. Not the laws.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Golgatha
BTW, it was Torrentspy's decision to block access, so it's not censorship. I think it's funny actually, because all the logs the MPAA sued to get will be completely useless since they won't have any US IP addresses.

I don't condone piracy, but I think the MPAA and RIAA are just evil organizations.

I basically agree with this post. Although, I have to question the censorship part of it. It's kind of difficult to judge that one. It's almost the same thing as saying that someone shooting themselves is not considered murder even though another person forced the victim to pull the trigger one way or another. I know that is a weird example, but it was the first thing that came to mind since I watched Saw II last night and there is a similar quote hehe. Anyways, the point is that it is a very gray area.

 

[Stas]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Golgatha
BTW, it was Torrentspy's decision to block access, so it's not censorship. I think it's funny actually, because all the logs the MPAA sued to get will be completely useless since they won't have any US IP addresses.

I don't condone piracy, but I think the MPAA and RIAA are just evil organizations.

I basically agree with this post. Although, I have to question the censorship part of it. It's kind of difficult to judge that one. It's almost the same thing as saying that someone shooting themselves is not considered murder even though another person forced the victim to pull the trigger one way or another. I know that is a weird example, but it was the first thing that came to mind since I watched Saw II last night and there is a similar quote hehe. Anyways, the point is that it is a very gray area.

Good point.

 

[pyonir]

Whoop de doo. Good.

 

[Zolty]

meh, the only thing that site was useful for was pron

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Golgatha
BTW, it was Torrentspy's decision to block access, so it's not censorship. I think it's funny actually, because all the logs the MPAA sued to get will be completely useless since they won't have any US IP addresses.

I don't condone piracy, but I think the MPAA and RIAA are just evil organizations.

And people will just use foreign public proxy servers to access torrentspy, and then the MPAA and RIAA will have to try to sue the public proxy server owners - good luck with that.

 

[Pepsi90919]

I CAN STILL SEE IT HAHA

canukistan++

 

[novasatori]

Originally posted by: Golgatha
BTW, it was Torrentspy's decision to block access, so it's not censorship. I think it's funny actually, because all the logs the MPAA sued to get will be completely useless since they won't have any US IP addresses.

I don't condone piracy, but I think the MPAA and RIAA are just evil organizations.

How exactly is the RIAA/MPAA etc etc going to force them to provide the logs anyways if the won a suit in US courts saying they had to release them.
Is that binding in the Netherlands?

 

[newParadigm]

is it illegal to download TV episodes that I could have just as easilly recorded on my own media pc, but say missed due to vacation (or procured while on vacation because said hotel did not have the TV channel in question).

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Stas

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Golgatha
BTW, it was Torrentspy's decision to block access, so it's not censorship. I think it's funny actually, because all the logs the MPAA sued to get will be completely useless since they won't have any US IP addresses.

I don't condone piracy, but I think the MPAA and RIAA are just evil organizations.

I basically agree with this post. Although, I have to question the censorship part of it. It's kind of difficult to judge that one. It's almost the same thing as saying that someone shooting themselves is not considered murder even though another person forced the victim to pull the trigger one way or another. I know that is a weird example, but it was the first thing that came to mind since I watched Saw II last night and there is a similar quote hehe. Anyways, the point is that it is a very gray area.

Good point.

How exactly is it a good point?

Torrentspy was not threatened with life, limb or liberty. They faced a civil suit and instead of facing the consequences they decided to remove theirselves from the jurisdiction of the United States. Basically, they made a business decision and a smart one at that.
Your entire identity can be broken down to bits and posted. But if I knowingly provide a service for people to search for your credit/identity then you can sue me to prevent further loses and recoup past loses. That is just the way it works.

This is coming from a guy that used Torrentspy every now and then. Just because it is really easy to steal something with very low risk of consequence does not make it legal. I might even take the same chances myself but (if I did of course) I would not try to make believe that I was "right" in my actions.

 

[Q]

Originally posted by: V00DOO
Although TorrentSpy doesn't host any pirated movies on its site, the search engine helps users find unauthorized copies,

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard, that's like saying to Google "you must shut down b/c people can find illegal stuff on your website"

 

[JackBurton]

You can shoot down all other sites, but NO ONE takes down The Bay. NO ONE!!

 

[robphelan]

why do these companies keep logs anyway? why don't they purge logs after 30/15/10 days?

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Stas
I dont think its illegal at all...if its posted its anyones game

Exactly. If someone shares a file, I can download it. I don't give *** what RIAA says. I don't have to do a research to find out about possible copyrights and other BS. The legitimacy of sharing the file IS under question.

What if the movie is unknown and not in the theaters? What if it's a game? A bunch of games are free and/or open source. Why do I, all of a sudden, have to verify the legitimacy?

Uh, you don't have to verify the legitimacy. You've already pretty much admitted to using it for things that aren't free. Otherwise, why would the section I bolded above exist? There wouldn't be any question of the legitimacy of sharing free and open source files. And, the RIAA doesn't care about you downloading open source programs. IIRC, in Canada it's not illegal to download copyrighted material. However, as far as I know, in the United States, it *is* illegal. And, last I checked, Oregon was in the U.S.

Oh, another quote from you:

I still play "protected" games. I just don't pay for them...

Plus, your bizarre rationale that it shouldn't be illegal:

ppl need to understand, no matter how much DRM crap they load onto a song, it will still be copied, they can't win, hence, making it harder is a waste of time, hence

it being illegal is b.s

It's a shame that you don't see anything wrong with illegally pirating copyrighted material.