Torn between the WestingHouse 30" and the Dell 24"

[redbox]

I am looking at this deal : http://www.ecost.com/ecost/ecsplash/shop/detail~dpno~181264.asp

I was wondering how it compares to the Dell 2405fpw.
I wouldn't be considering it if the westinghouse was full price but at
the price it is now it is kinda hard to pass up.

I use my computer for watching movies (not those kinds of movies you sick'os), playing games, and video and audio editing. I have a 7800gt and an sli board so i don't think it will be hard to find a way to run either of these.

Thank you in advance.

 

[redbox]

anybody?

 

[JAG87]

not even close to the dell.

do you look at specs at all? like the dell owns this panel, except size wise.
the dell is 1920x1200 the wh is 1280x768
contrast ratio is 1000:1 vs 500:1

spend a few more bucks, sacrifice 6 inches, and get the best possible quality on earth for watching movies and playing games.

cheers

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: redbox
I am looking at this deal : http://www.ecost.com/ecost/ecsplash/shop/detail~dpno~181264.asp

I was wondering how it compares to the Dell 2405fpw.
I wouldn't be considering it if the westinghouse was full price but at
the price it is now it is kinda hard to pass up.

I use my computer for watching movies (not those kinds of movies you sick'os), playing games, and video and audio editing. I have a 7800gt and an sli board so i don't think it will be hard to find a way to run either of these.

Thank you in advance.

It doesn't really compare, as that is an LCD TV. It's max resolution is 1280x768, which is pretty weak for a monitor (and explains the price.) Plus it's a 30" monitor on your desk - the pixels will seem enormous at that range. Also, there is no DVI.

No, this is for the living room, not your desktop.

 

[SickBeast]

I agree. Get the 2405. It's the best monitor I've ever seen.

 

[imported_Doughboy]

I agree with the other 2 guys, go with the dell if your looking for a desktop monitor. The westinghouse is not really for your desktop... unless you have VERY poor eye sight and need the super-large pixels.

 

[darXoul]

Originally posted by: JAG87

spend a few more bucks, sacrifice 6 inches, and get the best possible quality on earth for watching movies and playing games.

Best quality on earth for movies and games? I doubt it...

S-PVA panels supposedly produce a strong twinkling effect in movies, and are in general pretty slow for games. Even simple screenshots from testing progs prove it. Only the new 6 ms S-PVA panel is a really good one for fast games, on par with 8 ms P-MVA. I've read a few reviews of the Dell 2405, and some reviewers claim it was a panel with intolerable afterglow in games, not suitable for FPS and so-called hardcore gamers.

I'm not trying to say it's a crappy monitor but I'm kind of tired reading all the overhyped and overblown claims about "best quality on Earth". Judging from panel performance difference, the new 6 ms Samsung 244t wipes the floor with the good, old 12 ms Dell.

 

[TecHNooB]

Hey, for those of you who have dell 2405s, how do games look on resolutions lower than 1980 x 1200? I really want a dell 2405 but upgrading vid cards every 6 months seems like a daunting task. Leaning towards a dell 2007 for this reason.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: darXoul

Originally posted by: JAG87

spend a few more bucks, sacrifice 6 inches, and get the best possible quality on earth for watching movies and playing games.

Judging from panel performance difference, the new 6 ms Samsung 244t wipes the floor with the good, old 12 ms Dell.

wasnt aware of that, gone to check it out.
technoob, nothing but native resolution is to be used on LCDs

 

[JAG87]

holy crap my bad, i have a new love the samsung 244t.

 

[darXoul]

Yea, too bad I can only get the freakin' silver version in Europe. It's a commonly known fact that Europeans don't like black monitors. Ridiculous, I'm pissed, to be honest :/

 

[JAG87]

darxoul if you were to buy a 24 inch widescreen LCD, and had no money limitations, is this what you would buy? Do you have something else in your sleve? ive searched like mad and the samsung seems the best of all.

 

[JAG87]

i was going to get the dell with my new computer this summer, but it looks like im changing my mind now... thanks for this post. i look forward to playing dod source with no ghosting on this beast.

 

[darXoul]

There are some good head-to-head LCD comparisons on the French site lesnumeriques.com. The Samsung is not listed there but there are other monitors with the same panel (770p, Acer 2416), and the difference between S-PVA 6 ms and 8+ ms versions is stunning, which the French reviewers also confirm verbally.

I've done pretty extensive research and yes - if I could only get a black 244t here and wanted a widescreen monitor, this would undoubtedly be the display of my choice. I read a thread dedicated to it on Hardforums and a pretty good customer review, and they both seem to confirm the specs and conclusions drawn from the hardware.fr review of 6 ms PVA. I checked the Dell, Acer, Eizo, ViewSonic, etc. The 244t looks like a clear winner, with its superior response time. Who would have thought? Usually the difference of 2 ms gtg is just marketing...

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I agree. Get the 2405. It's the best monitor I've ever seen.

... until the 2407

 

[JAG87]

honest i dont think the 2407 is going to be anything special. looking at the specs for the 3007, it will most likely be the same, just smaller size. so im thinking something like 8ms, 1000:1 contrast, and such. the samsung is still winner. unless of course they decide to give dell those 6ms panels, and be left with a warehouse full of 244Ts. I doubt it.

whats up with that acer darxoul, i read good reviews of it but I would never trust the brand over samsung. acer dont make panels...

 

[darXoul]

BTW, the 244t appears to have HDCP support as well. The 2405FPW doesn't have it, I think that's the primary reason for the refresh, i.e. 2407FPW.

It would be really cool if Dell based the 2407 on the new 6 ms panel and price it similarly to 2405... Probably won't happen :/ We can always dream though, right?

Anyway, for games (not counting TN panels which are crap IMHO, despite the fastest pixel reaction, and IPS panels which I don't like due to the shimmering effect and poor blacks), this is my ranking:

S-PVA 6 ms > P-MVA 8 ms >> S-PVA 8+ ms

 

[darXoul]

The Acer 2416 is based on the same panel as 244t and is AMAZING in terms of speed.

However, despite the low price and great specs, I don't like it, mainly due to lack of DVI and height adjustment.

 

[JAG87]

WHAT... no DVI??? *flush*

ok so lets stick to the samsung for now
I bet your right the 2407 will probably just be hdcp compliant, as well as maybe have some improved specs. But definetely will not be as good as the samsung. unless samsung sells the 6ms panels to dell and then makes 4ms panels. I cannot see samsung themselves being on par with dell, when dell monitors are much cheaper.

 

[dalearyous]

uh im sure you guys have already said this but this is a no brainer, dell 2405. westinghouse in general just sucks period. even if you look at just the cost, you get what you pay for. 30" for 699 is going to be pretty crappy

 

[NeezyDeezy]

The samsung's superior refresh rate is nowhere near worth the extra 500 dollars. Dell all the way. Also, it's not worth waiting for the 2407, unless you believe it will drastically lower 2405 prices.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Everyone has their prefrences. I origionally ordered the Dell 24", but after viewing the Dell 30" (similar stats to the Westy) on display, I cancelled my order and purchased the 30". Everyone has their preference and I have never been happier with a monitor purchase.

Plus I can hook up my DVD player and use PIP to watch movies while I play EQ2 or the Star Wars Empire at War demo...

Instead of letting people being your determinating factor for the purchase, you need to find what YOU like. If I did what most people in this forum wanted me to do, I'd be one happy individual. We all have our preferences and we should be chosing what we like, not others.

With that said, both the 24" and the 30" would be nice, just my opinion though.

 

[darXoul]

Originally posted by: NeezyDeezy
The samsung's superior refresh rate is nowhere near worth the extra 500 dollars. Dell all the way.

That's a very biased and subjective statement with no backup behind it. Seeing the obvious and clearly visible difference between the two panels in terms of ghosting behavior, for me the Samsung is more than worth the extra 500 bucks. Not even mentioning HDCP because (a) I don't consider it crucial, (b) despite the manual and a confirmation obtained from Samsung by some Swedish guy, I don't even know for sure if the 244t really supports HDCP.

 

[TecHNooB]

I need a 20"-24", HD/Vista Compliant, Non-ghosting, HDR supporting, perfect black pitch, high contrast ratio, Widescreen LCD... and I need it now! Grrr

 

[darXoul]

Originally posted by: TecHNooB
I need a 20"-24", HD/Vista Compliant, Non-ghosting, HDR supporting, perfect black pitch, high contrast ratio, Widescreen LCD... and I need it now! Grrr

Then the 244t looks like the best option by far. Just make sure it does support HDCP as specified in the manual because I cannot confirm it 100%.