Top 25 games of all time

[lupi]

no TA?

 

[EvilComputer92]

Originally posted by: AdamK47

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: AdamK47

Originally posted by: Molondo

Originally posted by: AdamK47
Good to see Crysis on the list. It really is fantastic. People like to block out this game by putting an artificial wall between them and this game with unfounded regurgitated opinions.

I would dissagre. All the games i played that are on that list have absorbed a large portion of my life, crysis is the only game that i didn't spend too much time playing. Don't know. I enjoyed playing it, but it got old towards the end.

Right, with the "me too" mentality of aligned opinions for the game it's easy to see why you have that view. Me, I can can see why it's on that list.

Why, pray tell, is it on the list?

It can be summed up with one word. Immersion. People only think of the game for it's graphics. It's not just it's graphics. It's the also open-endedness, the physics, the setting, and the ability to wrap all of this around a cohesive and unique (yes, unique) story. The games technical abilities are what enables the player to immerse themselves in the setting and story.

QFT. I can't believe people rat on Crysis just because it's a relatively new FPS game. It was best single player game of 2007 and the best FPS in many years and it certainly deserves a place on the list.

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: venkman
:thumbsup: to C&C being ahead of Starcraft

hell to the no

Hell yes. Starcraft was garbage compared to the original CNC.

Although TA was superior to both and really should be ahead of both of them.

 

[Ayrahvon]

QFT. I can't believe people rat on Crysis just because it's a relatively new FPS game. It was best single player game of 2007 and the best FPS in many years and it certainly deserves a place on the list

People rat on Crysis because it didn't deserve any of the claim it got in 2007. I don't care who rated it the best FPS of the year but it certainly wasn't. The only thing the game is good for is benchmarking your machine.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

How the fuck is starcraft on the same level as Crysis?

Starcraft and HL need to be somewhere in the top 5. Numbers 2-4 suck.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Beev
See my other post.

Specifically, Call of Duty was very consolized. Think it should be omitted too?

Yes.*

If this is really a "Top 25 PC Games" list, how can you put a game on there that had a simultaneous release on a console and sold more copies on the consoles? At that point, it's a multiplatform game, probably more of a console game...not a PC exclusive game.

I mean, are you going to say that Street Fighter IV is one of the best PC games of all time? Even though it came out on the consoles and had a PC port? Might as well just fill up the list with the greatest console games that happened to have some sort of PC port.

*Depending on which "Call of Duty" you're talking about. Most people recognize CoD4, for example, as a console game, despite being released on the PC as well. The sales data also attests to this.

Call of Duty was a PC game originally and was not available on consoles at all. Big Red One was the first console Call of Duty game. Not sure what game you are calling multiplatform , but the original COD was PC only. And I believe it is among the greatest 25 games made for PC. My favorite FPS to this day. for both MP and SP.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Beev
See my other post.

Specifically, Call of Duty was very consolized. Think it should be omitted too?

Yes.*

If this is really a "Top 25 PC Games" list, how can you put a game on there that had a simultaneous release on a console and sold more copies on the consoles? At that point, it's a multiplatform game, probably more of a console game...not a PC exclusive game.

I mean, are you going to say that Street Fighter IV is one of the best PC games of all time? Even though it came out on the consoles and had a PC port? Might as well just fill up the list with the greatest console games that happened to have some sort of PC port.

*Depending on which "Call of Duty" you're talking about. Most people recognize CoD4, for example, as a console game, despite being released on the PC as well. The sales data also attests to this.

Call of Duty was a PC game originally and was not available on consoles at all. Big Red One was the first console Call of Duty game. Not sure what game you are calling multiplatform , but the original COD was PC only. And I believe it is among the greatest 25 games made for PC. My favorite FPS to this day. for both MP and SP.

Actually Call of Duty: Finest Hour was the first console port and it was nothing like the pc version.

 

[shortylickens]

It took me a while to realize that I agree with almost every single item on that list, just not the order.

The exception is Crysis. Aside from graphics that game has nothing special going on. I can think of at least 5 other shooters that were much more fun, even though they didnt look quite as good.

Originally posted by: Kalmah
Nice to see Baldur's Gate at #4 but could remove sid meyers pirates and added dungeon keeper.

I agree 100%. Dungeon Keeper should be up there. Even though it wasnt super popular, it was a very fun game and well-made too.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

C&C doesn't belong anywhere near starcraft on the list let alone above it. It was just an iteration above Dune 2, and better clones have been released since. There are some aspects of Starcraft that still haven't been outdone today and 11 years later it's player base is still bigger than a lot of games had/have when first released. C&C should be removed and replaced with TA, which is pretty much the apex of that style of spam unit building RTS.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Originally posted by: AyashiKaibutsu
C&C doesn't belong anywhere near starcraft on the list let alone above it. It was just an iteration above Dune 2, and better clones have been released since. There are some aspects of Starcraft that still haven't been outdone today and 11 years later it's player base is still bigger than a lot of games had/have when first released. C&C should be removed and replaced with TA, which is pretty much the apex of that style of spam unit building RTS.

Agreed,

I loved red alert on the Playstation 1, but other then that its lost its novelty.

Just because they played it as a kid doesn't mean its great.

 

[CPA]

No TF2? Are you kidding me?

 

[Cabages]

Being younger, I haven't played a lot of the games on this list, so I thought it might have been respectable. However, once I got to Crysis I gave up on it.

No fucking way that un-original game should be on the top 25 of all time.

 

[BFG10K]

I enjoyed Crysis a lot (I've finished it twice) but I don?t think it belongs on that list.

 

[geecee]

What? No Leisure Suit Larry?

Seriously, Starcraft and C&C both need to be higher. But I guess that depends on your view/enjoyment of RTS games. I'm glad someone mentioned Master of Orion. I'm surprised that nothing from the Wing Commander series even got an honorable mention.

 

[mooncancook]

Originally posted by: Beev
No, no they didn't.

The whole list is subjective anyway. No one is going to agree with the entire thing. I just wish it was a real list rather than one that tries to appeal to people who are blinded by nostalgia. Does anyone honestly think Diablo 1 is better than Diablo 2? In any way, shape, or form? I'm pretty sure the answer is no, yet there it is, on the list. The list was created to call out series of games. It's just more trash from IGN, like usual.

I played both Diablo 1 and Diablo 2. I played Diablo 1 to death, but when I bought Diablo 2 I got bored very quickly because it was the same thing except with slightly improved graphics and a little added contents. IMHO Diablo deserves way more credit than Diablo 2 and therefore it should be on the list.

 

[paperfist]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Beev
See my other post.

Specifically, Call of Duty was very consolized. Think it should be omitted too?

Yes.*

If this is really a "Top 25 PC Games" list, how can you put a game on there that had a simultaneous release on a console and sold more copies on the consoles? At that point, it's a multiplatform game, probably more of a console game...not a PC exclusive game.

I mean, are you going to say that Street Fighter IV is one of the best PC games of all time? Even though it came out on the consoles and had a PC port? Might as well just fill up the list with the greatest console games that happened to have some sort of PC port.

*Depending on which "Call of Duty" you're talking about. Most people recognize CoD4, for example, as a console game, despite being released on the PC as well. The sales data also attests to this.

Call of Duty was a PC game originally and was not available on consoles at all. Big Red One was the first console Call of Duty game. Not sure what game you are calling multiplatform , but the original COD was PC only. And I believe it is among the greatest 25 games made for PC. My favorite FPS to this day. for both MP and SP.

No Metal of Honor was the greatest and I can't believe they slighted it

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Aikouka

3) Civilization IV
2

Civilization IV at #3? Really? I mean, Civ 4 was great, but #3 all-time on the PC?

Civilization II is a better game (if you consider its time) than Civilization IV.

Starcraft at #16?

No RTS Warcraft game?

Diablo at #24 but no Diablo 2 on the list?

Major fail. :thumbsdown:

Civ IV I would agree with, but Civ IV w/BtS is epic beyond Civ II. There's just way to many refinements for it to not unseat the previous king.

 

[mmntech]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: AdamK47
Good to see Crysis on the list. It really is fantastic. People like to block out this game by putting an artificial wall between them and this game with unfounded regurgitated opinions.

I played Crysis through to the end, and it has no place on that list.

That seems to be the general consensus among gamers about Crysis. It's pretty but nothing special. I haven't played it myself. Other than this, I have to say this list is pretty solid though I might have gone with Sim City 2000 over the original.

No KOTOR or Duke Nukem?

KotOR is an Xbox port. All the games on this list AFAIK are all exclusive PC titles. Duke Nukem was fun but it was largely a Doom clone, and Doom is already on the list.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Beev
Does anyone honestly think Diablo 1 is better than Diablo 2? In any way, shape, or form? I'm pretty sure the answer is no, yet there it is, on the list.

I absolutely do. I played Diablo 1 like a fiend. I was excited when Diablo 2 came out, and then I was sorely disappointed. It was just bad and had almost no appeal to it. I played through it with my friends once and then uninstalled it.

Anyway, I think Doom should be higher on the list. Starcraft should be there, I guess. I wasn't a fan, but there's no deny its popularity. Master of Orion 2 should be there somewhere. I don't think Crysis should be on the list.

 

[AdamK47]

Originally posted by: mmntech
It's pretty but nothing special. I haven't played it myself.

 

[vj8usa]

Whoa, how did Crysis beat Doom? I had a lot of fun playing Crysis, but the only thing special about it was the quality of the visuals. The original Doom, on the other hand, was revolutionary.

 

[sash1]

glad to see UT on the list, my favorite fps of all time. though i don't understand how UT makes it and Unreal doesn't.

Starcraft belongs a lot higher... In all though, order aside, i suppose a solid list, i've seen much worse

 

[thegimp03]

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
No Quake = Fail.

Exactly. Lots of people have played Q3A for 10 years now, including myself. There's still people playing Quake 2 as well.

 

[Zenoth]

Well there's no universal top games list, obviously lots of people will disagree with it, I am one of them, I don't like to see Crysis there either, it's not that Crysis is a "very bad" game all of a sudden, it was fun, I played it until the end two times on two different difficulty settings, but after I was finished with my second time through I literally forgot about it for a long time. I still own it, and the box is in one of my desks and I probably won't install it ever again not because I despise it but because it's not worth it to play it again, I have no more interests in it, and later I bought Crysis Warhead on Steam mainly for Crysis Wars, and I play that from time to time, but overall it's not good enough to be on a top 25 PC games list.

And I disagree seeing Diablo instead of Diablo II, for my own tastes I prefer Diablo II, but I will admit that I never spent as much time playing D1 than I did with D2, and I'm not sure anymore if I didn't play it as much because I got bored of it or because I bought D2 and it took over my D1 interests, but either way I ended up uninstalling it and D2 took over many years of my social life, unfortunately so. Additionally, I don't like not seeing any of the Quake games there at all, not even a single one, that's disappointing, they were all good in my book, with the original being the best. And, finally, DOOM, while I have lots of respect for what id Software achieved with the original, outside of what it meant for video gaming as a symbol and a contender I certainly preferred the more varied DOOM II: Hell on Earth, I would have put that one instead of the original, but I understand why it's there instead of the sequel.

 

[flexy]

how can they make a list of top ALL TIME PC games without mentioning leisure suit larry or any of the other, classic games which EVERY PC user had in their time?

 

[JoshGuru7]

My aversion to these sort of generalized top X lists is that you're inevitably comparing apples and oranges on many levels. Even two games in the same rough genre may be impossible to compare with a straight face if they represent different eras of PC gaming (Zork, Bioshock).

More importantly to me, these lists overvalue classic games due to nostalgia. I loved X-Com and Tie-Fighter as much as anyone, but if a console gamer bought a gaming PC today and wanted to play the greatest PC games you could recommend, would you really start with X-Com? Graphics have gotten better, interfaces have been dramatically refined, and I think the demise of quality in PC gaming is largely overstated. There were a lot of lousy games back then too, the gems are simply the only ones that people remember.

The PC games I would recommend to a new gamer would largely include "modern" games: Portal, Civ 4 BTS, Empire at War, Sim City 4, The Witcher, TF2, World in Conflict, Oblivion, Tales of Monkey Island, Half-Life 2 Episodes/Mods, Company of Heroes and then even smaller games like Audiosurf, World of Goo, and Everyday Shooter. Day of the Tentacle is probably the only true classic I would recommend and it didn't even make the list.

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: JoshGuru7
My aversion to these sort of generalized top X lists is that you're inevitably comparing apples and oranges on many levels. Even two games in the same rough genre may be impossible to compare with a straight face if they represent different eras of PC gaming (Zork, Bioshock).

More importantly to me, these lists overvalue classic games due to nostalgia. I loved X-Com and Tie-Fighter as much as anyone, but if a console gamer bought a gaming PC today and wanted to play the greatest PC games you could recommend, would you really start with X-Com? Graphics have gotten better, interfaces have been dramatically refined, and I think the demise of quality in PC gaming is largely overstated. There were a lot of lousy games back then too, the gems are simply the only ones that people remember.

The PC games I would recommend to a new gamer would largely include "modern" games: Portal, Civ 4 BTS, Empire at War, Sim City 4, The Witcher, TF2, World in Conflict, Oblivion, Tales of Monkey Island, Half-Life 2 Episodes/Mods, Company of Heroes and then even smaller games like Audiosurf, World of Goo, and Everyday Shooter. Day of the Tentacle is probably the only true classic I would recommend and it didn't even make the list.

It can be due to nostalgia to some extent, but it doesn't apply to everyone you know. I myself do prefer modern gaming in general, but there are gems of the past that were in advance of their time not in terms of graphics but simply in quality and originality. I still buy some SNES / Genesis and Nintendo 64 games on eBay occasionally, since I still play some of my favorite games from time to time, instead of playing World of Goo I end up starting my SNES and playing TMNT4 or Mega Man X, and instead of playing Peggle I sometimes play Streets of Rage 2 or Beyond Oasis, and instead of playing Crysis I still play Seeds of Evil and Perfect Dark.

The only real "problem" I can think of about classic or "old" gaming is the graphics, and maybe the interface, but the graphics has to be the real problem. I myself do prefer 2D games for old school gaming than old 3D games, since old polygonal games are horrible to look at today, so yes I do admit that, it applies to me for sure, but still even in that category, old 3D gaming, there are still some exceptions here and there because the games in question have really marked me if I can say it this way. The rare jewels, even if they do look bad, will still be fun to play even if you know them by heart, and it's not just due to nostalgia, it's just pure and real fun.

But I can certainly understand why for instance a gamer who never grew up during the 8-Bit to 32-Bit era and who never really played any of the contenders of the past would look at them with disgust today and turn to COD4 or Crysis or Bioshock or Batman Arkham Asylum instead and so on, simply because they were never used at any point of their life to such "horrible" graphics, but for us, those who did lived during those years and experienced gaming back then saw all the technological advances and evolutions and game play revolutions as well, we know... or, at least, I think we should still know how to "cope" with old graphics, since as I said, at some point, we experienced those old graphics daily, and back then for us they were top of the line until the next big thing arrived.

I guess that when playing old games today there's a transition to make, one that happened already before, but it's just happening again. I remember that the transition from 2D to 3D gaming was regarded as too complex or too ambitious, I remember owning more 2D games for my Saturn than I ever rented any 3D games, and even on the PSX the same story happened at the beginning, until the N64 and Mario 64 really showed the world what true 3D gaming would shape up to be in the future, and when that era came I myself still remember, along with some of my friends who experienced the same thing, looked back at our "favorite" 2D games and thought how poor it looked already and moved on to the new trends and standards. I don't know if it happened for all gamers back then for sure but it did happen to me.

So, in the end I think that it's a combination, perhaps, of both nostalgia and also true appreciation of such old games. But I do agree completely on the "gems only" point. It really is only those gems that we're mostly all still playing today if we do. And by "gems" I simply refer to the favorites of every individuals, there's no universal list of gems out there, even with the known best sellers, there's still gamers who ended up liking the games that seemingly "everyone else" apparently hated and would end up still being played today even with our photo-realistic games with Hollywood-esque and ILM-level CGIs.