Tool songs in weird meter (time signature)

[Krynj]

Want songs in odd time signatures? Listen to Meshuggah or Necrophagist, as either band makes Tool look like a band playing at a junior high talent show.

 

[Saint Nick]

Originally posted by: FetusCakeMix
Want songs in odd time signatures? Listen to Meshuggah or Necrophagist, as either band makes Tool look like a band playing at a junior high talent show.

I'm really not into death metal. After reading the Wikipedia article...it sounds like they have just stupid time signatures.

In a typical polyrhythm by Meshuggah, the guitars might play in odd meters such as 5/16 or 17/16, while drums play in normal 4/4.[20] An example of Haake's dual rhythms is a 4/4 and 23/16 rhythm.

WTF. There is no way they do that on purpose.

 

[Krynj]

Death metal's definitely got an abrasive sound, and is hard to get into, but there's no denying the musicianship in some of the bands out there. I don't care much for Tool's music much anymore, but Carey is a hell of a drummer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOd-T58qHLA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A_tSyJBsRQ

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: FetusCakeMix
Want songs in odd time signatures? Listen to Meshuggah or Necrophagist, as either band makes Tool look like a band playing at a junior high talent show.

B.S.

I don't know about Necro, but MUCH of messhugah is in 4/4 but they use tricks/accents to make it sound 'odd'. Usually the drums determine the base meter, which is again, often in 4/4, but the guitarist might play in 5/4 or w/e to make it sound odd as a whole.

However, there are many true odd time signatures in Messhuggah tracks. For instance, "bleed" on Obzen. the first half of the song is played in a pretty clear cut time sig (i think 5/4) but the kick drum is all over the place, giving it a more complicated feel. But towards the end of the middle half of the song, when it gets ambient, before the guitar solo, they actually drop into a true maze of odd timings..

The drummer plays multiple timings.. Kicks are in a repeating 15-16-15-16 pattern, but the snare drops every 13. while the high hat carries on in a steady 4/4. fucking sick..!!!

But Tool has their fair share too, maybe not as much, but Danney Carey is an AMAZING drummer and I think could fill TH's shoes if needed.

I'd recommend DT's "Dance of Eternity" for complex time signatures.

There are odd time signatures and compound signatures, which are too totally different beasts. For instance, the 15-16-15-16 count I mentioned earlier is an odd-even-odd-even set of signatures. The fact that the snare or high hat aren't in either of those, makes the whole drum package of timings "compound"

 

[Gothgar]

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha

Originally posted by: Nik
I have never liked Tool.

Fail.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: NightDarker

Originally posted by: FetusCakeMix
Want songs in odd time signatures? Listen to Meshuggah or Necrophagist, as either band makes Tool look like a band playing at a junior high talent show.

I'm really not into death metal. After reading the Wikipedia article...it sounds like they have just stupid time signatures.

In a typical polyrhythm by Meshuggah, the guitars might play in odd meters such as 5/16 or 17/16, while drums play in normal 4/4.[20] An example of Haake's dual rhythms is a 4/4 and 23/16 rhythm.

WTF. There is no way they do that on purpose.

see my post above. they do it on purpose. it all adds up. It's the "so complex is seems chaotic but it's really systematic" thing...

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: FetusCakeMix
Want songs in odd time signatures? Listen to Meshuggah or Necrophagist, as either band makes Tool look like a band playing at a junior high talent show.

Maynard did a great job of making the last tool record sound like it was written by a junior high kid, the music itself was still decent. I don't feel like music is a contest.

Bands like Meshuggah (older), Dream Theater (older) et al are another level of musicianship that most people think is just dissonant noise the first time they hear it. I love their shit but only occasionally as it's very taxing to listen to as I want to dissect every detail. In my most non arrogant of tones, it takes a unique ear for music to enjoy stuff like that.

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Kev
shit the bed again


Does anyone know of a site that can explain time signatures in a language a 5 year old could understand. I am a complete noob who has no musical background

Yea, take for example a meter of 5/4

The top part (5) is easy. It just tells you how many beats in each measure.

So a time of 5/4 would be counted like

1-2-3-4-5

For instance, a waltz, is 3/4

1-2-3 1-2-3 1-2-3

Going back to the 5/4 count. If you have 4 measures of that, the total count equals 20.

1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5

So you can do 5x4=20

A compound meter might have the guitarist playing in 5/4 and the drummer playing in 4/4

If you play the guitar part (5/4) 4 times, the total beat count is 20. If you play the drum part (4/4) 5 times, the total beat count is 20.

While both guitar and drums have their own downbeat (1)-2-3-4-5 (the 1 is the downbeat usually), they also resolve back to a shared downbeat on the 20th beat (when they both fall back to 1 on the same beat)

Makes sense

4/4 -(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4 - four counts of four
5/4 -(1)-2--3--4--5-(1)-2--3--4--5-(1)-2--3--4--5-(1)-2--3--4--5 - four counts of five


so what is this beat? it goes 123 1234 123 1234 123 1234 etc.
or 12345 123 12345 123 12345 123

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: FuzzyDunlop

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Kev
shit the bed again


Does anyone know of a site that can explain time signatures in a language a 5 year old could understand. I am a complete noob who has no musical background

Yea, take for example a meter of 5/4

The top part (5) is easy. It just tells you how many beats in each measure.

So a time of 5/4 would be counted like

1-2-3-4-5

For instance, a waltz, is 3/4

1-2-3 1-2-3 1-2-3

Going back to the 5/4 count. If you have 4 measures of that, the total count equals 20.

1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5

So you can do 5x4=20

A compound meter might have the guitarist playing in 5/4 and the drummer playing in 4/4

If you play the guitar part (5/4) 4 times, the total beat count is 20. If you play the drum part (4/4) 5 times, the total beat count is 20.

While both guitar and drums have their own downbeat (1)-2-3-4-5 (the 1 is the downbeat usually), they also resolve back to a shared downbeat on the 20th beat (when they both fall back to 1 on the same beat)

Makes sense

4/4 -(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4 - four counts of four
5/4 -(1)-2--3--4--5-(1)-2--3--4--5-(1)-2--3--4--5-(1)-2--3--4--5 - four counts of five


so what is this beat? it goes 123 1234 123 1234 123 1234 etc.
or 12345 123 12345 123 12345 123

that beat? those would be called "lots of damn changes" and basically odd-even-odd-even

"odd" just means a measure with an odd number of beats. 1/3/5/7/9/11/13/15 etc

Dream Theater is notorius for manipulating your anticipation of a down beat.

For instance

take a 16 beat set of 4/4

1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4

Turn into a 15 beat set by removing the last (4)

1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-(1)-2-3-4-1-2-3-4 etc...

Notice the 1 of the second set is where the 4 was...

Well it's missing the last beat, especially since they previously established the 3 prior measures as being a solid 4. so when the 4th measure comes along, the prior consistency leads you to expect it to be 4 beats too. By removing the last beat, and repeating, the downbeat on the new set of 16 falls where the last beat was. It kind of "links" the two together. Make sense?

The last part of Dream Theater's song "home" has a killer example of that. and it's more complicated being in 19/16

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: NightDarker
God damn. Shit the bed.

Also, I think Rosetta Stoned might actually have more poly rhythms than Lateralus did, easily. WOW, this song is really fucking crazy.

Ns1, you will love this song live. Bring drugs.

heh, I've seen it 3 times already lol

Lateralus live > *

i'd kill to see most of the Lateralus album live.

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: FuzzyDunlop

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Kev
shit the bed again


Does anyone know of a site that can explain time signatures in a language a 5 year old could understand. I am a complete noob who has no musical background

Yea, take for example a meter of 5/4

The top part (5) is easy. It just tells you how many beats in each measure.

So a time of 5/4 would be counted like

1-2-3-4-5

For instance, a waltz, is 3/4

1-2-3 1-2-3 1-2-3

Going back to the 5/4 count. If you have 4 measures of that, the total count equals 20.

1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5

So you can do 5x4=20

A compound meter might have the guitarist playing in 5/4 and the drummer playing in 4/4

If you play the guitar part (5/4) 4 times, the total beat count is 20. If you play the drum part (4/4) 5 times, the total beat count is 20.

While both guitar and drums have their own downbeat (1)-2-3-4-5 (the 1 is the downbeat usually), they also resolve back to a shared downbeat on the 20th beat (when they both fall back to 1 on the same beat)

Makes sense

4/4 -(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4 - four counts of four
5/4 -(1)-2--3--4--5-(1)-2--3--4--5-(1)-2--3--4--5-(1)-2--3--4--5 - four counts of five


so what is this beat? it goes 123 1234 123 1234 123 1234 etc.
or 12345 123 12345 123 12345 123

that beat? those would be called "lots of damn changes" and basically odd-even-odd-even

"odd" just means a measure with an odd number of beats. 1/3/5/7/9/11/13/15 etc

Dream Theater is notorius for manipulating your anticipation of a down beat.

For instance

take a 16 beat set of 4/4

1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4

Turn into a 15 beat set by removing the last (4)

1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-(1)-2-3-4-1-2-3-4 etc...

Notice the 1 of the second set is where the 4 was...

Well it's missing the last beat, especially since they previously established the 3 prior measures as being a solid 4. so when the 4th measure comes along, the prior consistency leads you to expect it to be 4 beats too. By removing the last beat, and repeating, the downbeat on the new set of 16 falls where the last beat was. It kind of "links" the two together. Make sense?

The last part of Dream Theater's song "home" has a killer example of that. and it's more complicated being in 19/16

I think what I was thinking about was 7/4. so this would be four counts of seven?
example: 7/4 shoreline: broken social scene

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: FuzzyDunlop

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: FuzzyDunlop

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Kev
shit the bed again


Does anyone know of a site that can explain time signatures in a language a 5 year old could understand. I am a complete noob who has no musical background

Yea, take for example a meter of 5/4

The top part (5) is easy. It just tells you how many beats in each measure.

So a time of 5/4 would be counted like

1-2-3-4-5

For instance, a waltz, is 3/4

1-2-3 1-2-3 1-2-3

Going back to the 5/4 count. If you have 4 measures of that, the total count equals 20.

1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5

So you can do 5x4=20

A compound meter might have the guitarist playing in 5/4 and the drummer playing in 4/4

If you play the guitar part (5/4) 4 times, the total beat count is 20. If you play the drum part (4/4) 5 times, the total beat count is 20.

While both guitar and drums have their own downbeat (1)-2-3-4-5 (the 1 is the downbeat usually), they also resolve back to a shared downbeat on the 20th beat (when they both fall back to 1 on the same beat)

Makes sense

4/4 -(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4 - four counts of four
5/4 -(1)-2--3--4--5-(1)-2--3--4--5-(1)-2--3--4--5-(1)-2--3--4--5 - four counts of five


so what is this beat? it goes 123 1234 123 1234 123 1234 etc.
or 12345 123 12345 123 12345 123

that beat? those would be called "lots of damn changes" and basically odd-even-odd-even

"odd" just means a measure with an odd number of beats. 1/3/5/7/9/11/13/15 etc

Dream Theater is notorius for manipulating your anticipation of a down beat.

For instance

take a 16 beat set of 4/4

1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4

Turn into a 15 beat set by removing the last (4)

1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-(1)-2-3-4-1-2-3-4 etc...

Notice the 1 of the second set is where the 4 was...

Well it's missing the last beat, especially since they previously established the 3 prior measures as being a solid 4. so when the 4th measure comes along, the prior consistency leads you to expect it to be 4 beats too. By removing the last beat, and repeating, the downbeat on the new set of 16 falls where the last beat was. It kind of "links" the two together. Make sense?

The last part of Dream Theater's song "home" has a killer example of that. and it's more complicated being in 19/16

I think what I was thinking about was 7/4. so this would be four counts of seven?
example: 7/4 shoreline: broken social scene

nope.. the bottom part of the fraction does not tell you how many times to count that

7/4 does not mean 7x4

the bottom part says how to count that 7 relative to tempo.

Example. You have a tempo of 60 beats per minute or aka a beat every second.

Looking at a time signature of 7/4 the 4 tells you that each of the 7 beats is worth one beat relative to the tempo, or one second. So a single measure of 7/4 (7 beats) count at 60bpm would last 7 seconds. One beat per second 7 times.

If you had 7/8 the 8 tells you that each beat in the 7 count is worth HALF of the tempo's beat.

Relative to 60 beats per minute, 7/8 would last 3.5 seconds.

It's based on common 4/4

A measure is the "whole" and you would break that into 4 pieces to count 4

(1-2-3-4) =1 each beat is a quarter of the measure or 1/4 so all four beats equals 4/4

 

[Krynj]

I'm not trying to suggest bands in hopes that some of you might like them, or change the subject of the thread, but, I again just wanted to see how some of you felt about the structure of these songs. Not extremely technical all the way through, but definitely have some parts that are quite intricate. I just like hearing the opinions of people who actually know what they're talking about when it comes to time signatures, but don't typically listen to this kind of stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8sd7ohC-IY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5lxcWvFcAU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekphMSqWkfg

 

[Gothgar]

highly technical is that <<<<<<<< way

or something

 

[KentState]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: FuzzyDunlop

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: FuzzyDunlop

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Kev
shit the bed again


Does anyone know of a site that can explain time signatures in a language a 5 year old could understand. I am a complete noob who has no musical background

Yea, take for example a meter of 5/4

The top part (5) is easy. It just tells you how many beats in each measure.

So a time of 5/4 would be counted like

1-2-3-4-5

For instance, a waltz, is 3/4

1-2-3 1-2-3 1-2-3

Going back to the 5/4 count. If you have 4 measures of that, the total count equals 20.

1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5

So you can do 5x4=20

A compound meter might have the guitarist playing in 5/4 and the drummer playing in 4/4

If you play the guitar part (5/4) 4 times, the total beat count is 20. If you play the drum part (4/4) 5 times, the total beat count is 20.

While both guitar and drums have their own downbeat (1)-2-3-4-5 (the 1 is the downbeat usually), they also resolve back to a shared downbeat on the 20th beat (when they both fall back to 1 on the same beat)

Makes sense

4/4 -(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4 - four counts of four
5/4 -(1)-2--3--4--5-(1)-2--3--4--5-(1)-2--3--4--5-(1)-2--3--4--5 - four counts of five


so what is this beat? it goes 123 1234 123 1234 123 1234 etc.
or 12345 123 12345 123 12345 123

that beat? those would be called "lots of damn changes" and basically odd-even-odd-even

"odd" just means a measure with an odd number of beats. 1/3/5/7/9/11/13/15 etc

Dream Theater is notorius for manipulating your anticipation of a down beat.

For instance

take a 16 beat set of 4/4

1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4

Turn into a 15 beat set by removing the last (4)

1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-(1)-2-3-4-1-2-3-4 etc...

Notice the 1 of the second set is where the 4 was...

Well it's missing the last beat, especially since they previously established the 3 prior measures as being a solid 4. so when the 4th measure comes along, the prior consistency leads you to expect it to be 4 beats too. By removing the last beat, and repeating, the downbeat on the new set of 16 falls where the last beat was. It kind of "links" the two together. Make sense?

The last part of Dream Theater's song "home" has a killer example of that. and it's more complicated being in 19/16

I think what I was thinking about was 7/4. so this would be four counts of seven?
example: 7/4 shoreline: broken social scene

nope.. the bottom part of the fraction does not tell you how many times to count that

7/4 does not mean 7x4

the bottom part says how to count that 7 relative to tempo.

Example. You have a tempo of 60 beats per minute or aka a beat every second.

Looking at a time signature of 7/4 the 4 tells you that each of the 7 beats is worth one beat relative to the tempo, or one second. So a single measure of 7/4 (7 beats) count at 60bpm would last 7 seconds. One beat per second 7 times.

If you had 7/8 the 8 tells you that each beat in the 7 count is worth HALF of the tempo's beat.

Relative to 60 beats per minute, 7/8 would last 3.5 seconds.

It's based on common 4/4

A measure is the "whole" and you would break that into 4 pieces to count 4

(1-2-3-4) =1 each beat is a quarter of the measure or 1/4 so all four beats equals 4/4

The bottom is how many beats a whole note gets. The tempo can change and still have the same time signature. In 7/4 time, you could only hold a whole note for 4 of the beats for each measure.

 

[alevasseur14]

Originally posted by: NightDarker
Rosetta Stoned is super ridiculous. Its in 4/4 for a while...then there is some part in 5/4, then it goes to 11/8 somewhere. LOL.

They are probably on mad amounts of LSD when they write this stuff.

I dropped a bunch of LSD the day I bought 10,000 days. Best decision I've made in a long time. I'm not a big fan of saying "life changing" but it was an experience, that's for sure!

Tool was supposed to come to Minneapolis in August but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. Makes me sad. :brokenheart:

 

[krylon]

Originally posted by: KentState

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: FuzzyDunlop

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: FuzzyDunlop

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Kev
shit the bed again


Does anyone know of a site that can explain time signatures in a language a 5 year old could understand. I am a complete noob who has no musical background

Yea, take for example a meter of 5/4

The top part (5) is easy. It just tells you how many beats in each measure.

So a time of 5/4 would be counted like

1-2-3-4-5

For instance, a waltz, is 3/4

1-2-3 1-2-3 1-2-3

Going back to the 5/4 count. If you have 4 measures of that, the total count equals 20.

1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5-1-2-3-4-5

So you can do 5x4=20

A compound meter might have the guitarist playing in 5/4 and the drummer playing in 4/4

If you play the guitar part (5/4) 4 times, the total beat count is 20. If you play the drum part (4/4) 5 times, the total beat count is 20.

While both guitar and drums have their own downbeat (1)-2-3-4-5 (the 1 is the downbeat usually), they also resolve back to a shared downbeat on the 20th beat (when they both fall back to 1 on the same beat)

Makes sense

4/4 -(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4-(1)-2--3--4 - four counts of four
5/4 -(1)-2--3--4--5-(1)-2--3--4--5-(1)-2--3--4--5-(1)-2--3--4--5 - four counts of five


so what is this beat? it goes 123 1234 123 1234 123 1234 etc.
or 12345 123 12345 123 12345 123

that beat? those would be called "lots of damn changes" and basically odd-even-odd-even

"odd" just means a measure with an odd number of beats. 1/3/5/7/9/11/13/15 etc

Dream Theater is notorius for manipulating your anticipation of a down beat.

For instance

take a 16 beat set of 4/4

1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4

Turn into a 15 beat set by removing the last (4)

1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-(1)-2-3-4-1-2-3-4 etc...

Notice the 1 of the second set is where the 4 was...

Well it's missing the last beat, especially since they previously established the 3 prior measures as being a solid 4. so when the 4th measure comes along, the prior consistency leads you to expect it to be 4 beats too. By removing the last beat, and repeating, the downbeat on the new set of 16 falls where the last beat was. It kind of "links" the two together. Make sense?

The last part of Dream Theater's song "home" has a killer example of that. and it's more complicated being in 19/16

I think what I was thinking about was 7/4. so this would be four counts of seven?
example: 7/4 shoreline: broken social scene

nope.. the bottom part of the fraction does not tell you how many times to count that

7/4 does not mean 7x4

the bottom part says how to count that 7 relative to tempo.

Example. You have a tempo of 60 beats per minute or aka a beat every second.

Looking at a time signature of 7/4 the 4 tells you that each of the 7 beats is worth one beat relative to the tempo, or one second. So a single measure of 7/4 (7 beats) count at 60bpm would last 7 seconds. One beat per second 7 times.

If you had 7/8 the 8 tells you that each beat in the 7 count is worth HALF of the tempo's beat.

Relative to 60 beats per minute, 7/8 would last 3.5 seconds.

It's based on common 4/4

A measure is the "whole" and you would break that into 4 pieces to count 4

(1-2-3-4) =1 each beat is a quarter of the measure or 1/4 so all four beats equals 4/4

The bottom is how many beats a whole note gets. The tempo can change and still have the same time signature. In 7/4 time, you could only hold a whole note for 4 of the beats for each measure.

The top number tells you how many beats are in a measure. The bottom note tells you which type of note gets the beat.

For example:

4/4 = 4 beats in a measure with a quarter note taking 1 beat.
6/8 = 6 beats in a measure with an eighth note taking 1 beat.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: VashHT
For some reason I think the pot is 7/8, I can't check here at work though. btw you playing guitar or bass?

I'm fairly certain that The Pot is in a straight 4/4, but there's an accentuated upbeat that might be throwing off your count.

 

[Saint Nick]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: VashHT
For some reason I think the pot is 7/8, I can't check here at work though. btw you playing guitar or bass?

I'm fairly certain that The Pot is in a straight 4/4, but there's an accentuated upbeat that might be throwing off your count.

You're right...it is in 4/4 :shocked:

The intro is throwing me off.

 

[Ns1]

I've always heard pot a 4/4

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: krylon


The top number tells you how many beats are in a measure. The bottom note tells you which type of note gets the beat.

For example:

4/4 = 4 beats in a measure with a quarter note taking 1 beat.
6/8 = 6 beats in a measure with an eighth note taking 1 beat.

Yea, that's why I brought in tempo to my description. whether a quarter note or an eight note gets a beat isn't going to mean anything to someone who doesn't understand what those are..

a measure is a full count of beats (1-2-3-4)

so the following count

1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4

would be two measures. the term 'quarter', 'eighth' etc. comes from a note being one quarter of the measure.. so it makes sense that a measure with 4 beats would be quarter notes.. divide the measure into 4 and you get quarters..

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Ns1
I've always heard pot a 4/4

People often forget to include rests in their count

So what could sound like 1-2-3-4 1-2-3 might actually just be 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4 but one of those beats is silent and people only count the notes they hear.

1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4 =
1-2-3-4-X-1-2-3

 

[Ns1]

@NightDarker

Holy shit, don't you wish TOOL got to use their own SSL instead of Lolla's?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St-wDHETbtI

 

[Regs]

Then he looked right through me
With somniferous almond eyes
Don't even know what that means
Must remember to write it down
This is so real
Like the time Dave floated away

LOL - cracks me up. Some good stuff they're on.

 

[LikeLinus]

I used to love Tool but the really fell off after Aenema. That was a terrific throughout album that really was brilliant. But every album after that just fell flat and doesn't seem as good musically as undertow or Aenema. It feels like they are trying way too hard to impress idiots.

You guys are sometimes too easily impressed by pointless bullshit. That song is really not impressive as something with passion. It's not written with heart like some of their old music was.

It's been awhile since I've listen to Rosetta Stoned, but I just went and checked it out and it's just repetitive...the same guitar rips over and over for 10 freaking minutes. What is odd is that I noticed that it's a dead rip off of another one of their songs!!! I've played guitar since the age of 12 and I can't help but pick up on these things.

Go to exactly 3:00 into this song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...znY0Xo&feature=related

Now go 2:54 of this song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EIQpdbwE8Q

SAME FREAKING RIFF. Third Eye was a much better version of that song. This song doesn't deliver.