Too many guns in the wrong hands

[olds]

Who pays for the treatment or confinement? Where are they kept?

Do you send everyone that wishes to purchase a gun to the doctor first? How does this work?

Looks like it works by starting with you.

 

[Vaux]

Looks like we need to start with you.

:\ I was being serious.

 

[88keys]

It's been nearly 7 years and Obama still hasn't taken out guns and I for one am tired of hearing about all of this gun violence.

Just another politician with broken promises

 

[Artdeco]

I concur. Treatment or confinement for mental illness, NOW!

Olds, you're old enough to remember we used to instutionalize those people, Kennedy started the ball rolling to shut down those instutions decades ago. There isn't enough $ to fund programs like that any longer, look at the massive homeless problems, CA is a mess, HI is bursting at the seams, and the politicians say there's no $ to fix it, and that the mentally ill still have their constructional rights despite their illnesses...

It's a big old can of worms, with no easy fixes.

 

[olds]

Olds, you're old enough to remember we used to instutionalize those people, Kennedy started the ball rolling to shut down those instutions decades ago. There isn't enough $ to fund programs like that any longer, look at the massive homeless problems, CA is a mess, HI is bursting at the seams, and the politicians say there's no $ to fix it, and that the mentally ill still have their constructional rights despite their illnesses...

It's a big old can of worms, with no easy fixes.

The US is flush. We have money to fight wars we shouldn't be in (can't support the Vets though) and we give away millions if not billions or trillions in foreign aid. The citizens of the US just don't care so no politician is going to tackle it.

 

[Bird222]

It's been nearly 7 years and Obama still hasn't taken out guns and I for one am tired of hearing about all of this gun violence.

Just another politician with broken promises

When did he promise to take out guns?

 

[Fritzo]

So, if the Waffle House guy killed her with a steak knife, it'd be politically correct?

Just pointing out that knife wounds are rarely fatal unless the victim is left to bleed for a long time. Guns on the other hand are designed to kill instantaneously. Completely different situation.

 

[JackBurton]

Just pointing out that knife wounds are rarely fatal unless the victim is left to bleed for a long time. Guns on the other hand are designed to kill instantaneously. Completely different situation.

Hmmm, I wonder how 50 cent is still walking around then.

 

[Vaux]

Actually, guns are designed to shoot bullets. They aren't designed to kill anything.

 

[MarkXIX]

The root issue here is that SOMEONE ALWAYS KNOWS the person is ill and shouldn't have access to a firearm. Friends and family need to have the guts to stare these "loved ones" in the eye and tell them they can't have a fucking gun, period.

The issue is guns in the hands of ill, sick, or twisted people and Americans who are quick to think "Oh, <insert name here> is harmless. He's just messed up from <tragedy>, ?"

Perhaps investigations after the fact should hold those found to have known of an illness or reason accountable for their negligence.

 

[Vaux]

The root issue here is that SOMEONE ALWAYS KNOWS the person is ill and shouldn't have access to a firearm. Friends and family need to have the guts to stare these "loved ones" in the eye and tell them they can't have a fucking gun, period.

The issue is guns in the hands of ill, sick, or twisted people and Americans who are quick to think "Oh, <insert name here> is harmless. He's just messed up from <tragedy>, ?"

Perhaps investigations after the fact should hold those found to have known of an illness or reason accountable for their negligence.

I was with you until your last sentence. Other people should not be held accountable in that situation, unless it can be proven you knew what was going to happen and you assisted in it by giving the person the weapon.

 

[LegendKiller]

It's been nearly 7 years and Obama still hasn't taken out guns and I for one am tired of hearing about all of this gun violence.

Just another politician with broken promises

All of what gun violence? Less people die of non-criminal related, legally held firarm homicide than most other forms of death, including DUI.

But all of the hand flapping out there about it hasn't done anything. Why? Because it isn't a big fucking deal.

Might as well just require ignition interlock on every vehicle to 100% prevent DWI. It'll be a lot more effective than "taking out guns" and will save more lives.

 

[Phoenix86]

Who pays for the treatment or confinement? Where are they kept?

Do you send everyone that wishes to purchase a gun to the doctor first? How does this work?

Who pays to house criminals? Where are they kept?

These aren't hard problems to solve.

Why on earth would you only test gun purchasers mental health care? Shouldn't that be done on, ya know, a MUCH wider scale?

 

[SSSnail]

Who pays for the treatment or confinement? Where are they kept?

Do you send everyone that wishes to purchase a gun to the doctor first? How does this work?

We do, stop funding bullshit wars overseas and fix our house first. It'd take but just 1 or 2 years with that "defense" budget to fix EVERYTHING.

 

[Phoenix86]

It's been nearly 7 years and Obama still hasn't taken out guns and I for one am tired of hearing about all of this gun violence.

Just another politician with broken promises

We're at a 20 year low in gun deaths.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

Maybe you're just tired of the 24 hour news cycle.

 

[shortylickens]

We're at a 20 year low in gun deaths.

Which happens to be a decade after that federal ban lapsed.

 

[krose]

On Christmas Eve 2002, Mount was standing in the middle of the southbound lanes of U.S. 49 about 2:30 a.m. when he was hit by a 1997 Taurus. Gulfport police told the Sun Herald then they did not know why he was standing in the road and the accident was "unavoidable." The driver was not charged.

Mount was airlifted to the University of South Alabama Medical Center. He was seriously injured, including the loss of a limb.

Berry said the injuries included a traumatic brain injury.

Looks like he was already mentally deficient before the accident.

 

[Vaux]

Who pays to house criminals? Where are they kept?

These aren't hard problems to solve.

Why on earth would you only test gun purchasers mental health care? Shouldn't that be done on, ya know, a MUCH wider scale?

Just checking the logistics of this. You want to build hundreds of institutions to house thousands of people and give every American a mental health test.

Ok.

 

[Phoenix86]

Just checking the logistics of this. You want to build hundreds of institutions to house thousands of people and give every American a mental health test.

Ok.

No, I said we shouldn't tie mental health to guns purchases and improve our mental health care. In almost every case there are known issues. Speaking of...

Looks like he was already mentally deficient before the accident.

So here we have a particular individual, why wasn't this addressed? Why was this person in society not being treated? If he was receiving some treatment why did it fail?

These are the questions we need to ask.

 

[Meghan54]

So, if the Waffle House guy killed her with a steak knife, it'd be politically correct?

Not politically correct but I'd bet the waitress would still be alive if she'd been attacked with a knife vs. a gun. Even at my age of 60+, I'd be willing to bet I can outrun a knife.....I don't know too many people who can outrun a bullet fired from a gun.

 

[MongGrel]

Actually, guns are designed to shoot bullets. They aren't designed to kill anything.

Of course not.

They were conceived and designed to shoot paper targets.

()

Of course how many I have is a different subject...

 

[shortylickens]

Hmmm, I wonder how 50 cent is still walking around then.

Because like most everything else the human animal makes, it rarely does exactly what it was designed for.

Now if you had NASA engineers spending billions of dollars, they could probably come up with something that killed every time.

 

[Darwin333]

Who pays for the treatment or confinement? Where are they kept?

Do you send everyone that wishes to purchase a gun to the doctor first? How does this work?

We pay for it, we keep people that need or desire institutionalizing at mental institutions and no we don't send everyone that wishes to purchase a gun to the doctor first. However, if you have been found to be mentally incompetent that information should go into the national database for gun purchases.

The larger problem is plain old basic access to mental healthcare. In some places it's hard for people with insurance and money to get basic mental healthcare. For poor people it's damn near impossible to get regular mental healthcare. Remove the social stigmata from it and vastly increase access to at least basic mental healthcare.

 

[Darwin333]

The root issue here is that SOMEONE ALWAYS KNOWS the person is ill and shouldn't have access to a firearm. Friends and family need to have the guts to stare these "loved ones" in the eye and tell them they can't have a fucking gun, period.

The issue is guns in the hands of ill, sick, or twisted people and Americans who are quick to think "Oh, <insert name here> is harmless. He's just messed up from <tragedy>, ?"

Perhaps investigations after the fact should hold those found to have known of an illness or reason accountable for their negligence.

Seeing how he shot a lady for telling him he couldn't have a cig, I wouldn't want to be the poor bastard trying to take his gun away.

 

[skyking]

Looks like he was already mentally deficient before the accident.

That's just your speculation. I'd speculate that as a fireman, he stopped to help somebody and got caught out in traffic.