Too many guns in the wrong hands

[waggy]

No, I said we shouldn't tie mental health to guns purchases and improve our mental health care. In almost every case there are known issues. Speaking of...



So here we have a particular individual, why wasn't this addressed? Why was this person in society not being treated? If he was receiving some treatment why did it fail?

These are the questions we need to ask.

recently i have had the experience of trying to get a loved one mental health. they have been violent and making threats of suicide for years (guns were taken away years ago). Since they would go into the hospital and say they were fine NOTHING was done. EVen though when outside of the hospital they were getting more and more violent. when confronted about it they would break threaten suicide.

it's DAMN hard to get a person help who does not want it. you can have them committed but even then after a few days they are released from the hospital. Its then up to them to decide if they want to get medicine and doctor help.


There needs to be a fundmental change in how we deal with those with mental illness. not just in how we get them help but how society sees them.

if they don't? nobody will do anything.

 

[krose]

That's just your speculation. I'd speculate that as a fireman, he stopped to help somebody and got caught out in traffic.

And the police couldn't determine that?

 

[Phoenix86]

recently i have had the experience of trying to get a loved one mental health. they have been violent and making threats of suicide for years (guns were taken away years ago). Since they would go into the hospital and say they were fine NOTHING was done. EVen though when outside of the hospital they were getting more and more violent. when confronted about it they would break threaten suicide.

it's DAMN hard to get a person help who does not want it. you can have them committed but even then after a few days they are released from the hospital. Its then up to them to decide if they want to get medicine and doctor help.


There needs to be a fundmental change in how we deal with those with mental illness. not just in how we get them help but how society sees them.

if they don't? nobody will do anything.

You're absolutely right, we need a fundamental shift in how we handle mental health. From evaluation to treatment.

I'm sorry to hear about your loved one and the troubles.

 

[skyking]

And the police couldn't determine that?

Who knows? It is just speculation, just like yours. Often bad shit happens to decent people for the strangest reasons.

 

[Darwin333]

Because like most everything else the human animal makes, it rarely does exactly what it was designed for.

Now if you had NASA engineers spending billions of dollars, they could probably come up with something that killed every time.

.50 cal?

Poison tipped darts (right poison of course)?

Nuclear bombs?

We got plenty of shit that kills every single time you hit someone with it and have had for quite a while.

 

[Darwin333]

recently i have had the experience of trying to get a loved one mental health. they have been violent and making threats of suicide for years (guns were taken away years ago). Since they would go into the hospital and say they were fine NOTHING was done. EVen though when outside of the hospital they were getting more and more violent. when confronted about it they would break threaten suicide.

it's DAMN hard to get a person help who does not want it. you can have them committed but even then after a few days they are released from the hospital. Its then up to them to decide if they want to get medicine and doctor help.


There needs to be a fundmental change in how we deal with those with mental illness. not just in how we get them help but how society sees them.

if they don't? nobody will do anything.

I agree but it all starts with actual access to mental healthcare. It sounds like you are in a place lucky enough to have access to more than just getting someone committed for a few days.

 

[Darwin333]

And the police couldn't determine that?

Well you both are just speculating....

 

[88keys]

Well you both are just speculating....

And I'm going to speculate that this is all Obama's fault because the waitress would still be alive if Obama had confiscated all of our guns.
I once read somewhere that having a gun in your home means you're more likely to die.

 

[NAC4EV]

You retards.
It's a pissing contest now.
Full of dumbass comments.

America is so totally screwed.
We all know what the problem is, and we do have the balls to do anything about it.

 

[shortylickens]

And I'm going to speculate that this is all Obama's fault because the waitress would still be alive if Obama had confiscated all of our guns.
I once read somewhere that having a gun in your home means you're more likely to die.

If you cant recall the source, its probably bullshit.

Harvard (the mecca of liberals) published a study saying getting rid of guns did nothing to lower gun deaths. Go look it up.

 

[JackBurton]

You retards.
It's a pissing contest now.
Full of dumbass comments.

America is so totally screwed.
We all know what the problem is, and we do have the balls to do anything about it.

Can you tell me what the problem is and the solution? I'd like to hear it.

 

[Phoenix86]

You retards.
It's a pissing contest now.
Full of dumbass comments.

America is so totally screwed.
We all know what the problem is, and we do have the balls to do anything about it.

I agree, ban the 24 hour news cycle.

 

[Phoenix86]

If you cant recall the source, its probably bullshit.

Harvard (the mecca of liberals) published a study saying getting rid of guns did nothing to lower gun deaths. Go look it up.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

CONCLUSION
This Article has reviewed a significant amount of evidence from a wide variety of international sources. Each individual portion of evidence is subject to cavil—at the very least the general objection that the persuasiveness of social scientific evidence cannot remotely approach the persuasiveness of conclusions in the physical sciences. Nevertheless, the burden of proof rests on the proponents of the more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death mantra, especially since they argue public policy ought to be based on that mantra.149 To bear that burden would at the very least require showing that a large number of nations with more guns have more death and that nations that have imposed stringent gun controls have achieved substantial reductions in criminal violence (or suicide). But those correlations are not observed when a large number of nations are compared across the world.

 

[MongGrel]

You retards.
It's a pissing contest now.
Full of dumbass comments.

America is so totally screwed.
We all know what the problem is, and we do have the balls to do anything about it.

You're a somewhat amusing little guy.

I guess Sam doesn't show up well there on the old Sky Hawk.

No I never flew it. Before anyone would even ask.

I did go up in the RIO seat once.

I guess they used the single seat version to chase F-14's down when Top Gun was made

 

[Paladin3]

This guy had mental issues and past behavior that should have precluding him from owning a gun. I don't care what his family says about him being a wonderful individual, he clearly isn't. I also suspect from his actions and mug shot that he was drunk. Anyone with a gun and ANY level of alcohol or intoxicant in their system should loose their gun privileges for at least 5 years, if not permanently. It's too common for a guy to legally have a gun, get drunk and misuse it.

We don't take care of our mentally ill as well as we should. I'm not saying it's easy, but it's better than blaming the inanimate object for the evil acts of a human being. We refuse to admit that the evil nature of man is the real problem because there is no easy answer. Much easier to vote for a gun ban and fool yourself into thinking you are accomplishing something.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Or we could just ban alcohol, which is far more causative wrt violent crime.

 

[blankslate]

Hmmm, I wonder how 50 cent is still walking around then.

Because he is a demi-god among men

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[waggy]

Or we could just ban alcohol, which is far more causative wrt violent crime.

tried that once. all it did was cause more violent crime.

 

[z1ggy]

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

CONCLUSION
This Article has reviewed a significant amount of evidence from a wide variety of international sources. Each individual portion of evidence is subject to cavil—at the very least the general objection that the persuasiveness of social scientific evidence cannot remotely approach the persuasiveness of conclusions in the physical sciences. Nevertheless, the burden of proof rests on the proponents of the more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death mantra, especially since they argue public policy ought to be based on that mantra.149 To bear that burden would at the very least require showing that a large number of nations with more guns have more death and that nations that have imposed stringent gun controls have achieved substantial reductions in criminal violence (or suicide). But those correlations are not observed when a large number of nations are compared across the world.

Look at the #1 and #2 in gun death states in America. It's Cali and Texas...The most heavily gun controlled state.. then one of the most lax gun control states.

Additionally, if you look at gun death by capital per the world, the US is not #1. We aren't even in the Top 5.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

 

[Iron Woode]

tried that once. all it did was cause more violent crime.

obviously, we need to ban waffle houses.

 

[waggy]

obviously, we need to ban waffle houses.

agreed. last time i went they burnt my waffles. they should be closed down for such service.

 

[pete6032]

I wonder if the guy regrets his decision.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Move foreign aid money to the US and I have a feeling we can build and staff a number of institutions. Also, they need to link the background checks when purchasing a gun to mental illness as well. Have an injury that caused some type of brain injury? Sorry, no guns for you.

 

[cronos]

Or we could just ban alcohol, which is far more causative wrt violent crime.

I always laughed when I see people sarcastically (or seriously) mention something like this. As someone who doesn't drink alcohol, a ban would cause nothing but good for me (less drunk people around me = awesome). Having said that, if you see how irritated some people get when someone even mentioned about taking away their guns, we're going to have 100x more people 100x more upset if their alcohol is threatened to be taken away

"The right to bear arms may be worth a discussion, but questioning the right to get drunk? That's a deal breaker right there!"

The world is messed up, I tell you.

 

[zinfamous]

Actually, guns are designed to shoot bullets. They aren't designed to kill anything.

well, that's a dumb statement.