Originally posted by: manowar821
Yeah, Pabster's a jerk. Just ignore him.
Ironic, coming from a troll like yourself.
Originally posted by: manowar821
Yeah, Pabster's a jerk. Just ignore him.
Bush has blown more things than a Saturday Night hooker...
Yes, we had MASSIVE world support after 9-11....MIGHT that have withered away? Sure, but it MIGHT have grown stronger IF Bush hadn't gone Gonzo and invaded Iraq with phonied intelligence reports.
Look at the handling of Katrina...
Look at the destruction of many environmental laws in the name of the almighty Dollar.
Look at all the "gimme's Big Oil has gotten under Bush.
While I tend to agree that a President can't take all the credit nor be assigned all the blame for things that happen in our economy, I DO believe the President can be credited or blamed at least in part. Under Clinton, the US economy expanded like wildfire...too bad the same can't be said for Bush.
(It IS the economy, Stupid!)
For whatever reason, less than 50% (2000--but with enough electoral votes) of the people in this great nation elected into the Presidency a man who managed to run several businesses into the ground, WHY would anyone expect him to be able to manage the huge corporation known as The United States of America?
Ironic, coming from a troll like yourself.
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: manowar821
Yeah, Pabster's a jerk. Just ignore him.
Ironic, coming from a troll like yourself.
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
No fan of Bush here.... but no matter how you look at it, global support for the US after 9/11 was only going to be a fleeting thing no matter who was in charge at the time. It's not like the world would still be in love with us today if someone else was president.
Oh, come on. If only 41 was still in there, it'd be nothing but roses and tulips. The whole world would adore us, there would be no conflicts, and everything would be right with the world.
Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Ironic, coming from a troll like yourself.
At least he can use logic to make solid deductions predicated upon valid information. Right-wing nutjobs like yourself can go suck lollis, lad.
Rogo
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bush is a total disaster. He is a disaster in a thousand dimensions. This is just one. The subject of Bush as a disaster can never be exhausted. I guess it's pretty tough of folk who voted for Bush to know that they favored the greatest piece of shit ever to hit the United States. They would qualify as traitors if they weren't so fucking stupid.
LOL.
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Holy crap! Another Bush/war bashing thread! I havent seen one of these in a loooong time!
Hurts your feelings, doesn't it! :laugh:
Bush is a prick in the side of the US. Can't wait until that turd is flushed in 2008 (I don't care if it's a Dem or Rep as long as that asswipe is gone and someone can finally start cleaning up the mess he's leaving behind).q]
didnt hurt my feelings at all..perhaps you missed the sarcasm?
And you DEFINATELY have more faith in the current candidates than I do. They really wont do shit.
Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Bush has blown more things than a Saturday Night hooker...
Yes, we had MASSIVE world support after 9-11....MIGHT that have withered away? Sure, but it MIGHT have grown stronger IF Bush hadn't gone Gonzo and invaded Iraq with phonied intelligence reports.
Look at the handling of Katrina...
Look at the destruction of many environmental laws in the name of the almighty Dollar.
Look at all the "gimme's Big Oil has gotten under Bush.
While I tend to agree that a President can't take all the credit nor be assigned all the blame for things that happen in our economy, I DO believe the President can be credited or blamed at least in part. Under Clinton, the US economy expanded like wildfire...too bad the same can't be said for Bush.
(It IS the economy, Stupid!)
For whatever reason, less than 50% (2000--but with enough electoral votes) of the people in this great nation elected into the Presidency a man who managed to run several businesses into the ground, WHY would anyone expect him to be able to manage the huge corporation known as The United States of America?
BD
Great post and I agree completely with the statements you've posted about this completely irresponsible president. It's nice to see that there are only a few supporters of bush/cheney left in this country. Most of the farmers I know have decided to withdraw any support of the GOP because of bush's fuckups. Also, both of my grandfathers (both ww2 veterans) will not vote republican 🙂
Blackwanger and Pubester will hopefully loose internet access when their col becomes too high.
😉
Rogo
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bush is a total disaster. He is a disaster in a thousand dimensions. This is just one. The subject of Bush as a disaster can never be exhausted. I guess it's pretty tough of folk who voted for Bush to know that they favored the greatest piece of shit ever to hit the United States. They would qualify as traitors if they weren't so fucking stupid.
Moonie, you're a disgusting piece of troll. :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown:
And you're not?:roll:Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bush is a total disaster. He is a disaster in a thousand dimensions. This is just one. The subject of Bush as a disaster can never be exhausted. I guess it's pretty tough of folk who voted for Bush to know that they favored the greatest piece of shit ever to hit the United States. They would qualify as traitors if they weren't so fucking stupid.
Moonie, you're a disgusting piece of troll. :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown:
Too bad Bush blew it
Originally posted by: Icepick
Too bad Bush blew it
Bush blew it while in office and the country has suffered in numerous ways - the economy is tanking, we're mired in world combat, our global reputation sucks.
His predecessor was blown while in office and the country experienced a period of prosperity unrivaled in recent history.
😵
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: Icepick
Too bad Bush blew it
Bush blew it while in office and the country has suffered in numerous ways - the economy is tanking, we're mired in world combat, our global reputation sucks.
His predecessor was blown while in office and the country experienced a period of prosperity unrivaled in recent history.
😵
The President does not make the sun rise and fall.
Iraq has its cost, but it is neither alone nor is the economy under the direct control of 1 man. The most obvious example to prove otherwise would be Congress. They create/approve all budgets and wars that have lead to the things you describe.
Moreover, not even Congress and the President together directly control the economy, though I would wager their impact is significant, to lay the entire extent of it on them is overreaching.
Originally posted by: Icepick
Too bad Bush blew it
Bush blew it while in office and the country has suffered in numerous ways - the economy is tanking, we're mired in world combat, our global reputation sucks.
His predecessor was blown while in office and the country experienced a period of prosperity unrivaled in recent history.
😵
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: Icepick
Too bad Bush blew it
Bush blew it while in office and the country has suffered in numerous ways - the economy is tanking, we're mired in world combat, our global reputation sucks.
His predecessor was blown while in office and the country experienced a period of prosperity unrivaled in recent history.
😵
The President does not make the sun rise and fall.
Iraq has its cost, but it is neither alone nor is the economy under the direct control of 1 man. The most obvious example to prove otherwise would be Congress. They create/approve all budgets and wars that have lead to the things you describe.
Moreover, not even Congress and the President together directly control the economy, though I would wager their impact is significant, to lay the entire extent of it on them is overreaching.
Bush has proven that a President can certainly make it Fall.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Bush has proven that a President can certainly make it Fall.
Albania
Albania offered the United States and its allies use of its airspace, ports, and airports.
[edit] Armenia
Armenia offered the use of its airspace.
[edit] Australia
Main article: Operation Slipper
Australia invoked Article IV of the Australia, New Zealand, and United States (ANZUS) security treaty after the attacks of September 11th and Australian military and intelligence support was pledged. About 300 Australian SAS special forces troops, air-to-air refueling tankers, Navy frigates, two Orion electronic intelligence gathering aircraft, and F/A-18 fighter aircraft for Diego Garcia.
[edit] Bahrain
Naval vessels during 2002.
[edit] Bangladesh
Bangladesh offered the use of its airspace, ports and aircraft refueling stations.
[edit] Belgium
In 2002, a tri-national detachment known as the European Participating Air Forces of 18 Danish, Netherlands and Norwegian F-16 ground attack fighters aircraft deployed to Manas Air Base in Kyrgyzstan to support operations in Afghanistan. Belgium contributed a C-130 Hercules and 4 F-16 aircraft.
[edit] Canada
Main articles: Canada's role in the invasion of Afghanistan and Canadian Forces casualties in Afghanistan
In 2002, Canada had 2,025 personnel in the CENTCOM region (1,100 land, 225 air (6 aircraft) and 700 naval personnel (3 ships)). Ground troops included the 3rd Battalion Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry and JTF2 special forces. Today, Canada has several thousand troops deployed in Afghanistan.
[edit] Congo
Congo offered the United States and allies logistical support.
[edit] Cyprus
Cyprus offered the United States and allies use of its airspace and airports.
[edit] Czech Republic
Provided training and material support for allied Afghan forces.
[edit] Denmark
In 2002, a tri-national detachment known as the European Participating Air Forces of 18 Danish, Netherlands and Norwegian F-16 ground attack fighters aircraft deployed to Manas in Kyrgyzstan to support operations in Afghanistan. Denmark contributed 6 F-16 aircraft. Danish Jægerkorpset special forces were also deployed.
[edit] Egypt
Egypt offered the use of its airspace.
[edit] Estonia
Estonia offered the use of its airspace and provided logistical support in theatre. Today, about 150 troops are deployed in Afghanistan.
[edit] France
Over 4,000 personnel including 3,500 for the Marine Nationale (one CVBG, comprising the FS Charles de Gaulle, frigates La Motte-Picquet, Jean de Vienne and Jean Bart, the nuclear attack submarine Rubis, the tanker Meuse and the aviso Commandant Ducuing) 600 ground troops and 600 from the Armée de l'Air (12 Mirage 2000, Mirage F1 and Mirage IV ground-attack and reconnaissance aircraft). A French task force composed of soldiers from the 21st Marine Infantry Regiment deployed on November 17, 2001, to Mazar-e Sharif. Six French soldiers have died during OEF (as well as 3 under ISAF): all 6 in various hostile incidents.
In 2001 and beginning again in the summer of 2003, 200 soldiers from various units of the Army Special Forces Brigade (BFST), including marine and air commandos, have conducted operations against the Taliban, under command and in co-operation with U.S. special operations forces present in the area.
[edit] Germany
In 2002, Germany had 2,560 personnel in the region. German KSK Kommando Spezialkräfte special forces were involved in combat operations. The German Navy has had three Frigates, one Fast Patrol Boat Group (five units) and four supply ships operating out of Djibouti, in the Gulf of Aden. A German Airbus A310 aircraft was on alert in Germany for use as a medevac platform.
[edit] Greece
Naval vessels during 2002.
[edit] India
Opened ports to naval vessels.
[edit] Italy
Italy has in afghanistan 2,160 men. Italian naval warships including its only Carrier Battle Group (with the aircraft carrier Giuseppe Garibaldi) supported combat operations in the North Arabian Sea. Italy deployed a 43-man engineer team to Bagram, Afghanistan to repair the runway in May 2002.
[edit] Japan
In its first military deployment since World War II, contributed naval support for non-combat reinforcement of the operation.
[edit] Jordan
Jordan provided basing and overflight permissions for U.S. and coalition forces and a mine clearing team.
[edit] Kuwait
Kuwait provided basing and overflight permissions for all U.S. and coalition forces.
[edit] Kyrgyzstan
Kyrgyzstan allowed US and allied aircraft to use Manas Air Base
[edit] Latvia
Provided logistical support.
[edit] Lithuania
40 Special Forces AITVARAS troops, from 2002-2004.
[edit] Malaysia
Malaysia provided use of its airspace and logistical support.
[edit] Netherlands
In 2002, a tri-national detachment known as the European Participating Air Forces of 18 Danish, Netherlands and Norwegian F-16 ground attack fighters aircraft, of which 6 to 8 were Dutch and one Netherlands KDC-10 refuelling tanker was deployed to Manas in Kyrgyzstan to support operations in Afghanistan. The Royal Netherlands Navy deployed two frigates.
[edit] New Zealand
Two C-130 Hercules and one Boeing 757 transport aircraft and an unstated number of New Zealand Special Air Service special forces soldiers, assumed to be less than 100, probably around 50.
[edit] Norway
In 2002, a tri-national detachment known as the European Participating Air Forces of 18 Danish, Dutch and Norwegian F-16 ground attack fighters aircraft was deployed to Manas International Airport in Kyrgyzstan to support operations in Afghanistan. Norway contributed four to six F-16s. Also deployed from Norway were logistic teams, mine clearance teams, a Marinejegerkommandoen special forces commando group and several C-130 transport aircraft. Norway also has an army training base located in Afghanistan. Currently, they have lost one soldier in a RPG attack and one special forces lieutenant in a shoot-out with hostile gunmen.[1][2]
[edit] Oman
Oman offered the United States and allies use of its airspace and air bases.
[edit] Pakistan
Despite reluctance in the Arab states towards retaliation against the al-Qaida network in Afghanistan, the Pakistani leader General Pervez Musharraf offered support. Pakistan and Iran agreed to open borders to receive the expected increased migration of refugees from Afghanistan. Earlier, Pakistan had supported the Taliban, especially during the 1996-1998 period when they were establishing control - later relations between the two were not as close. After the 9/11 attacks, Pakistan allocated three airbases to the United States for the invasion of Afghanistan.
[edit] Philippines
The Philippines provided landing rights and base support for U.S. aircraft and offered medical and logistical support.
[edit] Poland
Poland provided combat engineers and logistical support.
[edit] Portugal
As a NATO member, it supported the invocation of Article V, and offered support. They participated in Operation Hoover in 2007.
[edit] Qatar
Qatar offered the United States and allies use of the Al Udaid Airbase.
[edit] Romania
Romania gave basing and overflight permissions to US and allied aircraft and would later provide significant forces as part of ISAF.
[edit] Russia
Russia provided a field hospital as well as a hospital in Kabul for allies and Afghan civilians.
[edit] South Korea
South Korea provided logistical support and a field hospital.
[edit] Spain
Spain has 690 men in Afghanistan.
[edit] Sudan
Sudan offered logistical support.
[edit] Tajikistan
Tajikistan provided use of its airspace, airbases and facilities for humanitarian aid.
[edit] Thailand
Thailand offered America and its allies a fueling station for aircraft and provided logistical support.
[edit] Turkey
Turkey offered the United States use of its airspace and air refuelling for US aircraft deploying to the region. Turkey would later provide significant forces as part of ISAF.
[edit] Turkmenistan
Turkmenistan offered the use of its airspace.
[edit] United Arab Emirates
United Arab Emirates provided 3 security personnel.
[edit] Ukraine
Ukraine allowed use of its airspace and airbases to America and its allies.
[edit] United Kingdom
Main article: Britain's role in the 2001-present Afghan war
The naval element consisted of one aircraft carrier, one amphibious ship, one destroyer, one frigate, three nuclear fleet submarines and seven Royal Fleet Auxiliaries. The submarines HMS Trafalgar and HMS Triumph launched Tomahawk missiles on targets inside Afghanistan. SBS and 22 Squadron SAS special forces also deployed. Later 45 Commando Royal Marines deployed as part of Operation Jacana. The Royal Air Force contributed Tristar and VC-10 tanker aircraft, E-3D Sentry surveillance and control aircraft, Nimrod R1 surveillance aircraft, Nimrod MR2 maritime reconnaissance aircraft, Canberra PR9 reconnaissance aircraft, C-130 Hercules air transport aircraft and Chinook helicopters from 27 Squadron. 41 members of the British Armed Forces have died during OEF (see British forces casualties in Afghanistan).
[edit] Uzbekistan
Uzbekistan had allowed the U.S. to place troops on the ground as well as use the Uzbek airbase, K2, for support activities and for deployment and command and control of Special Forces into all of Afghanistan except for the Khandahar region. K2 is no longer in use by the U.S.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
No fan of Bush here.... but no matter how you look at it, global support for the US after 9/11 was only going to be a fleeting thing no matter who was in charge at the time. It's not like the world would still be in love with us today if someone else was president.
That is incorrect. Perhaps the post 9/11 high would have waned, but the US was rather respected under Clinton.