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Tony Stewart killed a 20 year old dirt track driver....

The driver got out of his vehicle, instead of remaining in the safety of his vehicle on an extremely fast moving and dangerous track, to show his displeasure with Tony Stewart. Yet we're supposed to see beyond his stupidity to frame someone assumptively with murder? Anyhow shouldn't the race have been flagged immediately after the initial spinout?
 
bradley said:
The driver got out of his vehicle, instead of remaining in the safety of his vehicle on an extremely fast moving and dangerous track, to show his displeasure with Tony Stewart. Yet we're supposed to see beyond his stupidity to frame someone assumptively with murder? Anyhow shouldn't the race have been flagged immediately after the initial spinout?
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They were going slow under a caution flag...

You can hear Tony gun it and see his car accelerate, imo.

He loses the back end and kills the kid while trying to intimidate him, imo.
 
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LTC8K6 said:
They were going slow under a caution flag...

You can hear Tony gun it and see his car accelerate, imo.

He loses the back end and kills the kid while trying to intimidate him, imo.
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Good thing it's your opinion, because it's wrong.
 
bradley said:
The driver got out of his vehicle, instead of remaining in the safety of his vehicle on an extremely fast moving and dangerous track, to show his displeasure with Tony Stewart. Yet we're supposed to see beyond his stupidity to frame someone assumptively with murder? Anyhow shouldn't the race have been flagged immediately after the initial spinout?
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Like LTC said, the track was under a yellow flag, which is why all the cars were driving much slower around.

Also, it's not unheard of for a pissed off driver to stand to the side of the other cars' path of travel to deliver a "message" to the one he's pissed at....even Tony Stewart has done this. Stand off to the side of the path the cars are traveling under the yellow flag and give the other driver the finger or whatever. Happens on a weekly basis.

What doesn't happen typically, though, is the "offending" driver gunning his engine, spinning his rear wheels causing the rear end of his car to break loose and hit the gesturing driver.

I'd almost guarantee Stewart will be charged with something, like negligent or vehicular manslaughter.
 
Meghan54 said:
Like LTC said, the track was under a yellow flag, which is why all the cars were driving much slower around.

Also, it's not unheard of for a pissed off driver to stand to the side of the other cars' path of travel to deliver a "message" to the one he's pissed at....even Tony Stewart has done this. Stand off to the side of the path the cars are traveling under the yellow flag and give the other driver the finger or whatever. Happens on a weekly basis.

What doesn't happen typically, though, is the "offending" driver gunning his engine, spinning his rear wheels causing the rear end of his car to break loose and hit the gesturing driver.

I'd almost guarantee Stewart will be charged with something, like negligent or vehicular manslaughter.
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Do you have another video source? Because I don't see what you described in the video linked here.
 
SSSnail said:
Good thing it's your opinion, because it's wrong.
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Actually, LTC's not wrong and you are. In the video, by the time you can see Stewart's car, its rear end is already kicked out to the right, meaning the thing was sliding for some unknown reason.....Stewart was under a yellow flag and certainly wasn't racing, so there shouldn't have been any reason for the rear end of his car to break loose at that moment, unless he goosed the gas and did exactly what happened.....goosed the gas, rear end broke loose, rear end slides to the right and hits the other driver. No other explanation can be reasonable for the attitude of Stewart's car when it becomes visible.
 
I agree with LTC and say you can hear tony rev up either in attempt to "escape" from the driver (which makes very little sense with a full rollcage protecting him) or intimidate the driver and non-verbally say "fuck you lol". Sprint car races are VERY blue-collar in that running another driver off in what seems to be a purposeful fashion will start fights. I feel bad for the driver's family.....it was a horrid idea for him to leave his vehicle on a live track; the drivers end up with an insane amount of mud blocking their vision in just 2-3 laps. When you watch a sprint car event you will notice/see shiny plastic saran wrap sheets flying around: those are actually plastic visor shields that are disposable, so that the driver can rip them off as he races to clear his view. The track has to be somewhat muddy or else the proper math needed to do a feasible racing line.


TLDR: this whole deal will be solely based on what Tony has confessed to, as in did he say he was unaware or was he aware he was on the track. Shame to see Sprint Cars get in the news this way, I love racing them (my family has for 20+ years).
 
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Too bad the track is rinky-dink with poor lighting and the camerawork isn't the best. Maybe someone will come forward with a better video.

I read that these sprint cars need to be revved for quick turns, perhaps Tony was actually trying to avoid him. Otherwise difficult to prove whose engine was revved. Will be interested to see how this story develops.
 
Meghan54 said:
Also, it's not unheard of for a pissed off driver to stand to the side of the other cars' path of travel to deliver a "message" to the one he's pissed at....even Tony Stewart has done this. Stand off to the side of the path the cars are traveling under the yellow flag and give the other driver the finger or whatever. Happens on a weekly basis.
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All that says is that they are all stupid.
 
bradley said:
Too bad the track is rinky-dink with poor lighting and the camerawork isn't the best. Maybe someone will come forward with a better video.

I read that these sprint cars need to be revved for quick turns, perhaps Tony was actually trying to avoid him. Otherwise difficult to prove whose engine was revved. Will be interested to see how this story develops.
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The witnesses would have been quite close and able to see and hear well.
 
One eyewitness account:


Tyler Graves, a sprint-car racer, (said) in a phone interview that he was sitting in the Turn 1 grandstands and saw everything.


"Tony pinched him into the front stretch wall, a racing thing," Graves said. "The right rear tire went down, he spun on the exit of (Turn) 2. They threw the caution and everything was toned down.He was throwing his arms up all over the place at Tony for most of the corner.

"I know Tony could see him. I know how you can see out of these cars. When Tony got close to him, he hit the throttle. When you hit a throttle on a sprint car, the car sets sideways. It set sideways, the right rear tire hit Kevin, Kevin was sucked underneath and was stuck under it for a second or two and then it threw him about 50 yards."
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Source: http://www.foxsports.com/nascar/sto...hree-time-nascar-champion-tony-stewart-081014
 
LTC8K6 said:
You can hear Tony gun it and see his car accelerate, imo.
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I really doubt that was Tony's engine you hear. The person doing the filming is using a zoom and isn't particularly close to the curve where Tony's car would be at the time we hear the engine. Yet, the engine noise is loud and clear (and yes I have been to these types of races so I am familiar with the noise) More than likely, that noise was from a car still on the straight away about to enter the turn that just happened to coincide with the incident.

edit Okay, I guess that isn't the case. Multiple people saying Tony gunned the engine.

-KeithP
 
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KeithP said:
I really doubt that was Tony's engine you hear. The person doing the filming is using a zoom and isn't particularly close to the curve where Tony's car would be at the time we hear the engine. Yet, the engine noise is loud and clear (and yes I have been to these types of races so I am familiar with the noise) More than likely, that noise was from a car still on the straight away about to enter the turn that just happened to coincide with the incident.

-KeithP
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Sounds can act funny sometimes as far as where they can be heard well.

Tony's car clearly accelerates, imo. Plus we have eye witnesses that tell basically the same story.

I'm sure there will be a full investigation.

I doubt Tony is charged with anything even though I personally think this should be prosecuted. Let a grand jury or a jury decide.
 
I don't know, blaming Tony Stewart for this makes little sense, the other driver unfortunately took a huge risk, you don't walk on a track if you can avoid, it was a night race, he was wearing black overalls, the visibility is limited inside the cars..

also for people talking about throttle noises, it's hard to know because there are multiple cars on the track, but these cars are heavily sensitive to throttle inputs I think, and they use throttle to control and steer the car, also unfortunately when the driver went under his car and tires it probably affected the revs, and Stewart could be having a panic reaction, I really don't see a reason or the historic in Tony Stewart to do something like this on purpose, and I see the attitude of the other driver as extremely unsafe,
 
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Just saw A COMMENT from someone who says they were at the race. (scroll down to see comment)

Not sure if its true or not or how legit the info is, but if Stewart did have an on-board cam, that footage would be sure to determine exactly how it happened.

Here is a quote.
WAS AT SPEEDWAY AND RIGHT NEAR TONY STEWARTS RACE HAULER.AFTER HE CAME IN HE HAD THE CREW CHAGE HIS RIGHT REAR TIRE .THEY ENDED UP PUTTING A LEFT ONE ON. COPS WERE TOLD ABOUT IT SO HOPEFULLY THEY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. HE ALSO HAD A GO PRO CAMERA ON HIS CAR HOPEFULLY THEY CONFISCATE THAT ALSO BEFORE THAT GETS DESTROYED. HEARD THE YOUNG DRIVER DIDN'T MAKE IT AND I HOPE IT'S NOT TRUE BUT THEY WOULDN'T BRING TONY OUT UNTIL ALL OTHER HAULERS WERE GONE .ALOT OF POLICE AROUND HIS HAULER ALONG WITH HIS PERSONEL SECURITY. HOPE IF THIS IS ALL TRUE WHAT HAPPENED ON THE TRACK THAT HE DOESN'T GET AWAY WITH IT. HE FINALLY LET HIS TEMPER GET THE BEST OF HIM........
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