Tonight's SERIES FINALE Episode of Battlestar Galactica [03-20-2009]...

[StinkyPinky]

The ending was brilliant. Loved the twist that it was 150,000 years in the past and not a few thousand in the future like we all thought after the original Earth was found.

Probably my favorite ever sci-fi show. And what's funny, is that when I first heard that they were going to make a "re imagining" of Battlestar I thought it would suck. But it suckered me in from the very first season and had me hooked throughout. It was a bit too mystical at times, but overall a 9/10.

I'll miss it. Wtf am I going to watch now?

 

[lupi]

As the days go by I hate the 150000 leap even more. One of the greatest finallies till then (although I would have kept most of the fleet in orbit just in case). If they would have gotten down to basics and last a couple generations before they went to traditional civilization building, that would have been great. But that end scene seemed like they were throwing a bullshit bone to complete the hera storyline; which in itself seems completely screwed up. How was the girl the beacon of humanities future if her skeleton is found as a child.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
The ending was brilliant. Loved the twist that it was 150,000 years in the past and not a few thousand in the future like we all thought after the original Earth was found.

Probably my favorite ever sci-fi show. And what's funny, is that when I first heard that they were going to make a "re imagining" of Battlestar I thought it would suck. But it suckered me in from the very first season and had me hooked throughout. It was a bit too mystical at times, but overall a 9/10.

I'll miss it. Wtf am I going to watch now?

how was that ending brilliant? I saw as soon as they started talking about earth in whatever season it was. It was fairly predictable, either that or it's the future.. either way, an endless continuing cycle.

 

[Modelworks]

The ending actually makes sense. They take 40K people that depend on technology to live and drop them off on a planet with just food and the clothes on their backs. The reason the future isn't different is because they all died from hunger, exposure, illness and couldn't influence the future !

Glen Larson is a mormon , if you look at the mormon beliefs you will see that the entire show is based around them.

Like others I did not enjoy the last hour. It was basically all filler material with very few questions answered. I was worried about that in the series when they kept doing stuff like landing on earth, staying for a day then moving on without anyone trying to find out what happened there. I assumed they would tell us later in the series, but obviously it was just another item they wrote in because it works for that moment, hoping people will just accept it and not question why or how. Starbuck magically just appears in a new ship and then in the finale magically disappears . I started watching the show because I thought they had the story planned out. It was not until yesterday when I started reading comments from Moore that I learned they didn't and it was written as they went along


This article sums it up perfectly:http://www.bostonherald.com/bl...c=home&position=recent

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Paratus
I greatly enjoyed the show and finale. What I want to draw attention to is the special effects. I believe it's the same firm that did Firefly. As far as I'm concerned they go head to head with ILM on a tv buget and they damn well deserve an Emmy this year.

It is the same company that does the special effects. If you go back to the original mini-series, when they pan around on Caprica to some ships landing right before the scene with Roslin and her doctor, you'll see a Firefly class ship landing.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: Qbah
As much as I loved the show, the part after they jumped away from the cylon colony was a disaster in my eyes. When the ship popped up and almost broke apart after that last jump, I went all "WOW, AMAZING!" And then it flew past the moon with some debris still falling from it - that was really nice too. However the very idea that the Colonials dropped all their technology and went tribal is so silly it's beyond stupid.

So we are to understand they just stopped caring about medical treatments, food growing and all those things? House building, farming and everything associated with their earlier lifestyle? Communication? Entertainment? What about caring for the older people? Or the newborns? Or people hurt in the clash with the colony? How would they survive the first few winters? What about clothing? And all 38-something thousand people were A-OK with it and just followed about not building cities and live a nomandic life? Yeah right... This is the part that's total BS for me. As for character resolutions, I liked it in general. But Adama leaving his son and just flying away? (I actually thought he would follow Galactica into the sun with Roslin dying moments before the Raptor blowing up or something ). Tyrol snapping Tory's neck was brilliant He actually saved them all from making a huge mistake again. Baltar and Caprica Six was a nice touch. And Starbuck just disappearing was a WTF moment (though not that unexpected, I kinda figured it would happen when the camera was moving away from her) - just like her character the whole 4th season. So no surprise there, I guess

In my opinion they shoul've ended the whole thing with Galactica moving into orbit of the planet and the COlonials landing and starting a new civilsation with the tribals. With all that having no connection with our Earth... The whole thing was ruined by the fact that they decided to drop technology all together. No sane person would! And I'm pretty sure 38 thousand people after 4 years of running most definately wouldn't.

Series? 10/10
Finale? 10/10 until they fly past the moon, 5/10 for the rest.

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I can see them destroying their spaceships, but leaving EVERYTHING behind seems a bit much. It also doesn't make sense that they would have set the events 150,000 years ago. All the colonials had at least a 147,000 year head start on the rest of the humans on the planet. I think it would have made more sense to drop them in just a few thousand years ago and have the colonials be the beginning of, say, ancient Greece or something. Their advanced culture and knowledge would make a lot more sense that way.

Putting them so far in the past (when the only humans on the planet were in sub-Saharan Africa) only works if all of the colonials died out. Kind of a downer ending and not one I think the writers were actually going for. I just don't think they thought it through. They just wanted to have Hera be the last common ancestor and didn't consider anything else.

 

[Exterous]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
I can see them destroying their spaceships, but leaving EVERYTHING behind seems a bit much. It also doesn't make sense that they would have set the events 150,000 years ago. All the colonials had at least a 147,000 year head start on the rest of the humans on the planet. I think it would have made more sense to drop them in just a few thousand years ago and have the colonials be the beginning of, say, ancient Greece or something. Their advanced culture and knowledge would make a lot more sense that way.

Putting them so far in the past (when the only humans on the planet were in sub-Saharan Africa) only works if all of the colonials died out. Kind of a downer ending and not one I think the writers were actually going for. I just don't think they thought it through. They just wanted to have Hera be the last common ancestor and didn't consider anything else.

Or have people who want tech live in a new place called Atlantis while those who want to forsake tech scatter around the planet

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: Exterous

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
I can see them destroying their spaceships, but leaving EVERYTHING behind seems a bit much. It also doesn't make sense that they would have set the events 150,000 years ago. All the colonials had at least a 147,000 year head start on the rest of the humans on the planet. I think it would have made more sense to drop them in just a few thousand years ago and have the colonials be the beginning of, say, ancient Greece or something. Their advanced culture and knowledge would make a lot more sense that way.

Putting them so far in the past (when the only humans on the planet were in sub-Saharan Africa) only works if all of the colonials died out. Kind of a downer ending and not one I think the writers were actually going for. I just don't think they thought it through. They just wanted to have Hera be the last common ancestor and didn't consider anything else.

Or have people who want tech live in a new place called Atlantis while those who want to forsake tech scatter around the planet

Still, if they lived all over the planet, then there'd be a fossil record showing modern humans on most of the continents. Either that or they all died off before there were enough of them to leave an adequate fossil record. So it doesn't really make sense that they'd try to settle the colonials all over the planet unless they're also saying that they all died off and the other continents went uninhabited for a hundred thousand years or more. Like I said, would have made more sense to put them a little later, after humans had migrated around and developed language. But then they'd lose the "mitochondrial Eve" angle.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Exterous

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
"I don't mean to rush you, but you're keeping two civilizations waiting!" :laugh:

Definitely :laugh:

Originally posted by: loki8481
yeah, I was hoping they would have explained Starbucks father as being Daniel or something.

I was kinda hoping for that as well.

Chalk up another one for the writers - I don't think anyone foresaw the survivors starting the human race as we know it.

Also I agree that it was great mis-direction about Cabo and the cease fire for resurrection tech

A few issues here and there but over all a very good finale

Chalk up another one for the writers - I don't think anyone foresaw the survivors starting the human race as we know it.
Well, except for me. In every thread I posted about how I thought the show would end. For the last 3 years.

I think a lot of people thought of that...you know, since our planet is also called "Earth"? They really threw me off with the "first" destroyed Earth though. I had thought that they would integrate with Earth somehow, and given the similarities of culture it seemed plausible that they integrated in ancient times...but after blown up Earth showed up I didn't really know anymore!

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
I can't get over how monumental Chief Ty's decision to strangle Tory was. If he hadn't strangled her would the humans and cylons be in some sort of state of peace? Without finding Earth?

It's kind of odd how everyone is fine with him just offing her there on the bridge mezzanine.

And what happened to Adama? Did he just starve to death next to Rosalyn's grave? He wasn't on the verge of death as he implied to Lee.

Made sense, now the renegade cylons are all dead...personally that was my favorite part of the ep.

And with Adama, I think he just built a cabin and lived out there by himself...they leave that up for you to decide.

Are the renegade cylons all dead? None of the basestars they saw jumping in and out during recon where present...I don't remember seeing the colony completely destroyed and at least part of the resurrection data was downloaded!

It threw me for a loop when Cavil offed himself. Sure, he was almost surely going to be shot in the back while running out of there but I would have at least given it a shot!

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: Qbah
As much as I loved the show, the part after they jumped away from the cylon colony was a disaster in my eyes. When the ship popped up and almost broke apart after that last jump, I went all "WOW, AMAZING!" And then it flew past the moon with some debris still falling from it - that was really nice too. However the very idea that the Colonials dropped all their technology and went tribal is so silly it's beyond stupid.

So we are to understand they just stopped caring about medical treatments, food growing and all those things? House building, farming and everything associated with their earlier lifestyle? Communication? Entertainment? What about caring for the older people? Or the newborns? Or people hurt in the clash with the colony? How would they survive the first few winters? What about clothing? And all 38-something thousand people were A-OK with it and just followed about not building cities and live a nomandic life? Yeah right... This is the part that's total BS for me. As for character resolutions, I liked it in general. But Adama leaving his son and just flying away? (I actually thought he would follow Galactica into the sun with Roslin dying moments before the Raptor blowing up or something ). Tyrol snapping Tory's neck was brilliant He actually saved them all from making a huge mistake again. Baltar and Caprica Six was a nice touch. And Starbuck just disappearing was a WTF moment (though not that unexpected, I kinda figured it would happen when the camera was moving away from her) - just like her character the whole 4th season. So no surprise there, I guess

In my opinion they shoul've ended the whole thing with Galactica moving into orbit of the planet and the COlonials landing and starting a new civilsation with the tribals. With all that having no connection with our Earth... The whole thing was ruined by the fact that they decided to drop technology all together. No sane person would! And I'm pretty sure 38 thousand people after 4 years of running most definately wouldn't.

Series? 10/10
Finale? 10/10 until they fly past the moon, 5/10 for the rest.

++

I can see them destroying their spaceships, but leaving EVERYTHING behind seems a bit much. It also doesn't make sense that they would have set the events 150,000 years ago. All the colonials had at least a 147,000 year head start on the rest of the humans on the planet. I think it would have made more sense to drop them in just a few thousand years ago and have the colonials be the beginning of, say, ancient Greece or something. Their advanced culture and knowledge would make a lot more sense that way.

Putting them so far in the past (when the only humans on the planet were in sub-Saharan Africa) only works if all of the colonials died out. Kind of a downer ending and not one I think the writers were actually going for. I just don't think they thought it through. They just wanted to have Hera be the last common ancestor and didn't consider anything else.

They should have placed them 50K years ago, to coincide with "the great leap forward" when human technological advancement accelerated from its previously slow linear advancement.

 

[cronos]

Originally posted by: lupi
As the days go by I hate the 150000 leap even more. One of the greatest finallies till then (although I would have kept most of the fleet in orbit just in case). If they would have gotten down to basics and last a couple generations before they went to traditional civilization building, that would have been great. But that end scene seemed like they were throwing a bullshit bone to complete the hera storyline; which in itself seems completely screwed up. How was the girl the beacon of humanities future if her skeleton is found as a child.

The article said 'a young woman', not a child. I had to watch it again too after someone mentioned this in another forum.

 

[middlehead]

I don't mind the idea of the rest of the humans integrating with the locals. What gets me is Tyrol, the Tighs, and the rebel Cylons that stayed with them.

The Chief said he'd found a quiet little island to settle on - if, as most people seem to be guessing, this was Ireland and he later founded the Gaelic civilization, exactly how long did he live? He said he'd picked it because there were no people, so he would have been there a hell of a long time before there was anyone for him to influence. Would he still be alive today or did he finally die? If he's alive, did he drop into hiding or is he perpetually blending in and out of society? The same with the Tighs, Athena, and the rest of the rebel Cylons.

 

[techs]

It wasn't God.

Ok, for all the people who have a problem with the whole "It was God" thing, here is what you should be thinking.
The head 6 and Baltar are really cylons from a previous cycle. With resurrection technology they essentially live forever. In fact, the cylons from a previous cycle had already become so advanced by the time of the Galactica they could manifest as visions, etc. They resurrected Kara and built her a new ship. The head cylon who 6 and baltar referred to as God, or It, was really just a very powerful cylon who was jokingly referred to as God by the cylons like 6 and baltar, but he didn't like it. He or "it" was essentially a machine so the proper reference is "it"
See, a scientific explanation.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
The entire series has remarkable parallels with Hyperion. In fact, if you read Hyperion, you can explain the other mysteries left unanswered. Then again, the entire Hyperion series ended with many many other questions left unanswered, but they can be insinuated.

Originally posted by: loki8481
Moore: Yep, it was definitely a spiritual connection. And, the spiritual component of the show was just there from the beginning. It was always a part of the show. There's a certainly a section of science fiction fandom that has always had a problem with that. They resolutely didn't want supernatural, mystical or divine presence in the show whatsoever, and were sort of put off by that, or at least had trouble accepting that. But I just thought that was part and parcel of what we did. It was our take on this part of this particular universe, and to me, it was as important in the end as it was in the beginning. It would have been strange to make it all scientifically rational at the end and that it had no other purpose or meaning, because that was sort of the premise from which we began.

See Hyperion worked because a rational person can accept the idea of "lions and tigers and bears" who have some influence with lesser sentient beings, but not some monogod who started the universe, deeply cares about humanity yet still allows the most god awful shit to go down. The idea of an all powerful creator divinity who mucks around with humanity intervening sometimes but not others makes little sense. Even super-advanced aliens have at least some theoretical limit on their intelligence/abilities; a divinity has no limits. An alien intelligence so vast we can't comprehend it is still scientifically sound. The god delusion is not. Frankly the door is still open a little in BSG wrt Baltar's "IT". Though Moore is playing the spirituality card, technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic. But it would still have to be presented as technology, and not inexplicable godvoodoo.

 

[darkxshade]

Bull frakkin shit! I blame Tyrol and Apollo... if it weren't for them... I could possibly be living in a 150,000 year advanced civilization with resurrection technology. Instead I'm frakkin stuck here neffing on ATOT. This is of course under the assumption Racetrack still accidentally nukes the colony from orbit thus forcing Galactica to jump and find Earth. :disgust:

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: darkxshade
Bull frakkin shit! I blame Tyrol and Apollo... if it weren't for them... I could possibly be living in a 150,000 year advanced civilization with resurrection technology. Instead I'm frakkin stuck here neffing on ATOT. This is of course under the assumption Racetrack still accidentally nukes the colony from orbit thus forcing Galactica to jump and find Earth. :disgust:

Imagine your post count after 150,000 years!

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: darkxshade
Bull frakkin shit! I blame Tyrol and Apollo... if it weren't for them... I could possibly be living in a 150,000 year advanced civilization with resurrection technology. Instead I'm frakkin stuck here neffing on ATOT. This is of course under the assumption Racetrack still accidentally nukes the colony from orbit thus forcing Galactica to jump and find Earth. :disgust:

Imagine your post count after 150,000 years!

Don't get me started :|

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: cronos

Originally posted by: lupi
As the days go by I hate the 150000 leap even more. One of the greatest finallies till then (although I would have kept most of the fleet in orbit just in case). If they would have gotten down to basics and last a couple generations before they went to traditional civilization building, that would have been great. But that end scene seemed like they were throwing a bullshit bone to complete the hera storyline; which in itself seems completely screwed up. How was the girl the beacon of humanities future if her skeleton is found as a child.

The article said 'a young woman', not a child. I had to watch it again too after someone mentioned this in another forum.

stil not giving much time assuming average rate to hit puberty and expected range for "young" to populate the earth in light of everyone else getting wiped out.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: cronos

Originally posted by: lupi
As the days go by I hate the 150000 leap even more. One of the greatest finallies till then (although I would have kept most of the fleet in orbit just in case). If they would have gotten down to basics and last a couple generations before they went to traditional civilization building, that would have been great. But that end scene seemed like they were throwing a bullshit bone to complete the hera storyline; which in itself seems completely screwed up. How was the girl the beacon of humanities future if her skeleton is found as a child.

The article said 'a young woman', not a child. I had to watch it again too after someone mentioned this in another forum.

stil not giving much time assuming average rate to hit puberty and expected range for "young" to populate the earth in light of everyone else getting wiped out.

Yeah, but she's a CYLON. And you know how horny they are.

 

[darkxshade]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: cronos

Originally posted by: lupi
As the days go by I hate the 150000 leap even more. One of the greatest finallies till then (although I would have kept most of the fleet in orbit just in case). If they would have gotten down to basics and last a couple generations before they went to traditional civilization building, that would have been great. But that end scene seemed like they were throwing a bullshit bone to complete the hera storyline; which in itself seems completely screwed up. How was the girl the beacon of humanities future if her skeleton is found as a child.

The article said 'a young woman', not a child. I had to watch it again too after someone mentioned this in another forum.

stil not giving much time assuming average rate to hit puberty and expected range for "young" to populate the earth in light of everyone else getting wiped out.

Considering all the other unbelievable things that happen in the course of the show, I can let the time thing slide since 150,000 years is enough for the imagination to make up something that would lead to the world to the way it is today.

What I'm curious about is how Hera came to be the mitochondria Eve the producers are talking about? Yes she was the first cylon-human hybrid *BUT* as I understand it, the Sharons and 6's of the basestars decided to settle with them on Earth. Am I to believe none of them procreated?

 

[nestlewater]

Originally posted by: darkxshade

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: cronos

Originally posted by: lupi
As the days go by I hate the 150000 leap even more. One of the greatest finallies till then (although I would have kept most of the fleet in orbit just in case). If they would have gotten down to basics and last a couple generations before they went to traditional civilization building, that would have been great. But that end scene seemed like they were throwing a bullshit bone to complete the hera storyline; which in itself seems completely screwed up. How was the girl the beacon of humanities future if her skeleton is found as a child.

The article said 'a young woman', not a child. I had to watch it again too after someone mentioned this in another forum.

stil not giving much time assuming average rate to hit puberty and expected range for "young" to populate the earth in light of everyone else getting wiped out.

Considering all the other unbelievable things that happen in the course of the show, I can let the time thing slide since 150,000 years is enough for the imagination to make up something that would lead to the world to the way it is today.

What I'm curious about is how Hera came to be the mitochondria Eve the producers are talking about? Yes she was the first cylon-human hybrid *BUT* as I understand it, the Sharons and 6's of the basestars decided to settle with them on Earth. Am I to believe none of them procreated?

Yea, basically, more miscarriages. AND, I'm assuming some of the population went sterile after the nuke fight.

 

[lupi]

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[StinkyPinky]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: Exterous

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
I can see them destroying their spaceships, but leaving EVERYTHING behind seems a bit much. It also doesn't make sense that they would have set the events 150,000 years ago. All the colonials had at least a 147,000 year head start on the rest of the humans on the planet. I think it would have made more sense to drop them in just a few thousand years ago and have the colonials be the beginning of, say, ancient Greece or something. Their advanced culture and knowledge would make a lot more sense that way.

Putting them so far in the past (when the only humans on the planet were in sub-Saharan Africa) only works if all of the colonials died out. Kind of a downer ending and not one I think the writers were actually going for. I just don't think they thought it through. They just wanted to have Hera be the last common ancestor and didn't consider anything else.

Or have people who want tech live in a new place called Atlantis while those who want to forsake tech scatter around the planet

Still, if they lived all over the planet, then there'd be a fossil record showing modern humans on most of the continents. Either that or they all died off before there were enough of them to leave an adequate fossil record. So it doesn't really make sense that they'd try to settle the colonials all over the planet unless they're also saying that they all died off and the other continents went uninhabited for a hundred thousand years or more. Like I said, would have made more sense to put them a little later, after humans had migrated around and developed language. But then they'd lose the "mitochondrial Eve" angle.

Well I just think of it as an alternative universe anyway. You make a good point though.

Another thing I noticed is that northern Africa appeared to have the sahara. Unless I'm mistaken I thought northern africa was quite fertile at that time.

Plus I don't understand what Adama did. Why would he go live by himself and become a hermit, and leave his son by himself? Seems a bit harsh.

Loved the ending, but it wasn't perfect I admit.

 

[BladeVenom]

They all died off very quickly except Hara. Then it was kind of like Clan of the Cave Bear.