toms hardware puts up article on ati's filtering game

[Megatomic]

Despite the fact that the article was written by THG, they presented ATI's faults properly. If you don't see the problem then you probably didn't read the entire article. They did 2 things wrong:

1. They didn't disclose the "optimization" to the press when they sent review samples/drivers out.

2. They recommended that the press cripple the competition's products when conducting side by side comparisons trying to make it look like an apples to apples comparison when it fact it was nothing of the sort.

That is shady marketing at it's shadiest.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

Apples to apples mamisano... Not apples to volkswagons.

If the image is the same, it is apples to apples.

That's not a scientific comparison.

 

[GeneralGrievous]

That's not a scientific comparison.

Does it matter? People get so caught up on technical stuff that you are forgetting that its the end result that ultimately matters.

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

That's not a scientific comparison.

Does it matter? People get so caught up on technical stuff that you are forgetting that its the end result that ultimately matters.

That's what all the NV people said when NV got caught cheating. And all the ATI people jumped all over their shlt for saying it.

I love the hypocrisy. :roll:

 

[mamisano]

Originally posted by: Megatomic

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

That's not a scientific comparison.

Does it matter? People get so caught up on technical stuff that you are forgetting that its the end result that ultimately matters.

That's what all the NV people said when NV got caught cheating. And all the ATI people jumped all over their shlt for saying it.

I love the hypocrisy. :roll:

Well, when Nvidia optimizes and LOSES IQ they should be jumped on....

Don't know what everyone is bitching and complaining about. ATI and Nvidia chose different means to the same end, just happens that ATI gets there faster. Get over it, and be done with it. I swear, some of you need to put your energy into something a little more constructive . Its only a video card.

 

[Schadenfroh]

everything nvidia does, ATI is soon to folllow, unified drivers and now trillinear filtering hacks

 

[GeneralGrievous]

That's what all the NV people said when NV got caught cheating. And all the ATI people jumped all over their shlt for saying it.

Nvidia's method lowered IQ. It's not the same image then is it?

 

[imported_Aelius]

Whenever Tom's posts something take it with a grain of salt.

That site is one of the biggest sellouts, so much of what he says or doesn't say is utter crap.

Also unlike nVidia, ATI did managed to pull off this little trick without hitting IQ, while nVidia botched it and that's why they got a black eye in the press.

People keep comparing the two incidents but it's apples and oranges. Both fruit different flavour. =p

 

[ZobarStyl]

The problem is that it does degrade IQ, but the AF runs over it and smooths it out. As for the even level, if the NV card does brilinear and the ATi does only bilinear still, they don't even out. I just want full unadulterated trilinear on both benched against each other; but ATi seems awfully scared of that...

 

[Schadenfroh]

what goes around, comes around

After criticizing rival Nvidia for using optimized trilinear filtering algorithms in its PC graphics card drivers--calling them "unacceptable tricks" in a recent presentation to hardware reviewers last month--ATI Technologies has acknowledged using similar optimizations itself.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: Megatomic
Despite the fact that the article was written by THG, they presented ATI's faults properly. If you don't see the problem then you probably didn't read the entire article. They did 2 things wrong:

1. They didn't disclose the "optimization" to the press when they sent review samples/drivers out.

2. They recommended that the press cripple the competition's products when conducting side by side comparisons trying to make it look like an apples to apples comparison when it fact it was nothing of the sort.

That is shady marketing at it's shadiest.

Shadiest? Please, they're not killing people by not disclosing medical side-effects here. In the end, IMO, they should have touted it as a great new feature and dealt with it up front back with the 9600 cards.

 

[Apologiliac]

Blarg, they are using the same kind of reasoning to cover their own butts. "Its not like their killing people," cmon.

 

[imported_Aelius]

If there is an error, and I think there is, then it rests with ATI's marketing.

They were asleep. They even copied and pasted the last video card's marketing/stats press release on their site. They admit this already. Very poor form in that regard.

 

[SickBeast]

Hasn't someone discovered a registry tweak that can enable full trilinear on the X800?

 

[GeneralGrievous]

The problem is that it does degrade IQ

Do you have in game screenshots of this?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
everything nvidia does, ATI is soon to folllow, unified drivers and now trillinear filtering hacks

ATi admits to same"tricks" nV uses

I surmise this means the playing field is basically level again, and there is no moral high ground FanATics can assume as they have for the past 2yrs=STFU and buy what you want you crazy bastages!!!!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

The problem is that it does degrade IQ

Do you have in game screenshots of this?

Of course not, it just sounded good so he said it :laugh:

 

[sandorski]

If it can't be seen(with your eyes), what's the problem?

 

[BugsBunny1078]

Originally posted by: sandorski
If it can't be seen(with your eyes), what's the problem?

read the article. It is well explained and I learned a few thingsabout this texture filtering from it too.
No other article on this has gotten this knowledge into my head as good as this one.

 

[Ackmed]

I dont think most people would have had a problem with what they did, if they had just said it to start with. Put it in the release notes, and told the reviewers. Its been going on for over a year, and it there was an IQ loss, people would have noticed a long time ago.

Still, I dont like the fact they kept it secret.

 

[ZobarStyl]

Grievous the burden of proof isn't on me, but ATi; if they put out some screenies that show they produce the same IQ with AF, then I'll rescind my statement. But all of the screenshots from the tom's article show the same thing, bilinear looks worse than tri, and just because they paint over it with AF doesn't mean it doesn't look worse. Of course I said that already, but you took it out of context like a good little fanboy. I personally don't have anything against ATi, but man I don't get why you people are still defending them for doing something they personally said was wrong...

 

[OfficerDoofey]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: tk109
That's low of ATI. They outright lied and hid it. Then they told reviewers to make sure they turned on trilinear on the nvidia card even though the whole time ATI didn't even do full trilinear. The tests weren't done fairly. They need to redo the tests, one with and one without the cheats. Seems without their optomizations ATI cards take quite a large hit.

That's the problem and all the IQ remains excellent appologies will not wish it away. While I herald the advancement, the tactics employed are reprehensible and ATi derserves a good flaming for it just as much as nV deserved the ones they've gotten for their tricks, period.

Totally agree. Its not the hugest of deals that they dont have tru trilinear if the IQ is good... but to lie about it and be sneaky... which lets face it.. ATI have... thats rotten.

 

[OfficerDoofey]

Originally posted by: mamisano
Why compare Nvidia's Full Trilinear to ATI's Full Trilinear when ATI has an algorithm that does not decrease IQ and increases speed. Is it ATI's fault that they have succeeded where Nvidia failed with Briliniar filtering?

yea but havent nvidia succeded where ATI failed.... dont nvidia offer full trilinear as an option and ATI cant? i do understand that full trilinear will mean speed loss but at least its there as an option right?

 

[OfficerDoofey]

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Well, when Nvidia optimizes and LOSES IQ they should be jumped on....

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Correct me if im wrong but yer nvidia were sprung with some older cards... now we have new cool cards that are ahead of the game... but when the game catches up we prob will see some IQ loss on ATI's side cause of there optimisations? or am i reading this the wrong way? (serious question)

 

[OfficerDoofey]

Originally posted by: Aelius
Whenever Tom's posts something take it with a grain of salt.

That site is one of the biggest sellouts, so much of what he says or doesn't say is utter crap.

i must admit i thought it was kinda funny how i was reading an article effectively 'bagging' ATI and in the corner was a nice shiny nvidia add with quotes from reviewers (THG for one) saying it is the greatest thing since sliced bread..

not the right place for it i dont think lol