The point isn't that the liberals in this thread recognized it for what it was, it's that the half of the country who is more onthe right mostly did not recognize it, and still doens't.
The point isn't that the liberals in this thread recognized it for what it was, it's that the half of the country who is more onthe right mostly did not recognize it, and still doens't.
TastesLikeChicken
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If you've read the OP link as well as the related information available you'll find that your so-called "truth" is nothing more than Ridge's opinion. And please don't try to convince me that you're all in with opinions from conservatives.
btw, the last time I listened to any of Limbaugh's tripe was probably 1987 and that was because the manager in an area I had to frequent loved to loudly blast out Limbaugh's bs on the radio every day. I despised Limbaugh long before many of you in here had any clue who he was.
umbrella39
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IIRC, it was raised in August of 2004 which was found out to have been based on old information so it was dropped back.
umbrella39
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It's a lot worse than that innocent sounding description - it's the President's administration lying to the American people it's supposed to protect to try to terrorize them into voting the way they want, lying about one of the most serious things it's supposed to not lie about - as a poster in the link I posted said, trying to scare people with the fear of terrorism to manipulate their political choices is a definition of terrorism.
When I said this then I was chastised in here as nuts.
I may be nuts but the Quirks cannot change history.
It is what it is and they are being called on the carpet for their lies.
ahh deflection, the messiah's approval ratings are down, support for his health care plan is virtually non existant, so why not another its all bush's fault thread...nice
Fingolfin269
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I was going to expound upon the geography comment but realized at 6:24AM I have no possible way of being funny...
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Well it is in the news today so it's topical. Also if you were to look at all the other topics the OP threads the OP has started you'd know he isn't all the enthralled with either party.
That said I'm not surprised, that was Bush Admin MO ever since the 9/11 attacks, use if for their benefit.
Typical. Did you miss the fact that leading up to the elections, there where several "terror alerts" for no reason? Did you miss the fact that Ridge pretty much admitted in 2005 that the alert level was raised for no reason?
Link
Another link
Gee, you couldn't possibly believe that the head of homeland security, whose job it was to defend the country, who had access to all the intel about possible attacks, actually admit that he didn't feel it necessary?
If he feels it isn't necessary, why would anyone overrule him? They wouldn't have better intel then him, so it would have to be something else, wouldn't it? Maybe politics? Scare the coutnry into voting for Bush maybe?
I guess you still believe Bush broke no laws in 8 years, that they didn't use this to help win the election, that torture is legal, and Obama isn't a US citizen as well, right? Just another 20%-er who believes everything "his side" does. What a tool.
TastesLikeChicken
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There were several terror alerts for "no reason"? Your own links don't back that statement up.
This is the biggest bunch of pathetic, manufactured hooey I've seen from the Bush whiners in a long time. Bush won the election because the Dems fielded an opponent that sucked even more than Bush. It's that simple. Now get over it.
No. There needs to be a constant, in your face reminder for gullible voters. It could happen again. It almost did partially happen with palin. Ignoring and forgetting this would be tantamount to unpatriotic.
TastesLikeChicken
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The only gullible people I see are those who actually believe this somehow affected the outcome of the '04 election. Sorry but, imo, they go into the same category as the birthers and death panel subscribers trying to build mountains out of nano-molehills, and it's all because of their ingrained, over-the-top partisanism.
Apparently, it could not possibly have had an affect since a few posts up it is stated that the alert escalation didn't happen. I do remember 'another' greeting from bin laden conveniently happening a week or two before election day.
The 04 election touches on another aspect of gullible voters - or should I say those who accepted the fud - hook, line and sinker.
And, I agree that straight ticketers are, in general, morons - at the very least, lazy.
trenchfoot
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I just love it when I see replies that prefer to rely on blind partisanship over common sense and the ability to detect obvious trends with 20/20 hindsight. LOL
That's interesting because I figured ridge for one of the blindest of partisans. For me, that's the story here. I've always thought bush/cheney manipulated things with abandon. Ridge breaking the code is very interesting or just financially opportunistic.
over-the-top partisanism? That's what this whole thing is about, politicizing the department of homeland security.
You're arguing that because it wasn't successful that it doesn't matter - awesome.
So you have no problem with Bush and his team overrulling the decision of the head of DHS? Gotcha. Overrule a information based decision by people in DHS by a bunch of political appointees with no evidence at all?
So DHS says "no reason to do it", and as those articles showed, and Ridge pretty much admitted, Bush and his admin overruled him for political reasons several times in the lead in to the elections. Yes, the one last minute raising wasn't done, but read the article, there were plenty of other dramatic threat increases all through the election season. But I guess you don't care, you are a 20%-er.
I am not partisan, I don't care who is in charge, but whoever is in charge can't break the law, and shouldn't be using this for political gain. If Obama does it, I will condemn him as well.
But just because this didn't affect the election results does *not* take away from the seriousness of the fact that the White House was playing political games with terrorism.
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