Tom Delay,hypocrite with no bounds......

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Perknose

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
It's one thing to do it on occasion, [Riprorin] but you do it every time. EVERY TIME. I cannot honest to god remember seeing a post from you that wasn't a self-righteous threadcrap. Even the threads you start are threadcraps.
Actually, the threads Rip starts are crap threads, not threadcraps -- those are every single other post he makes. :roll:

But, hey, Rip, in other news, your boy Tom O'Fay, has likened himself to another fave of yours, Jesus Christ. For all you non-believers, here's a helpful little chart comparing and contrasting the two. :p

 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Riprorin
I haven't conceded anything. From a previous post:

The LA Times, lol.

DeLay is a target because he's an effective conservative.

There are few similarities between Schiavo and his father. His father was in a coma, he was kept alive by a ventilator and his kidneys had failed.

It's a fairly common and transparent tactic of the libs to label anyone who opposes their secular humanistic radical agenda and their attempt to ram it down our throats as a "hypocrite".

There are many similarities between Schiavo and DeLay's father: neither had any possible hope of recovery, and both were being kept alive artificially.

DeLays father was on a ventilator - Schiavo is not
DeLays father was comatose - Schiavo is not
DeLays fathers kidneys had failed and he needed dialysis - Schiavo's kidneys are fine

As far as being kept alive "artifically", Schiavo needs food just like you and me. Many believe that with proper therapy, she could have been spoon fed.

To suggest that there are similarities is disingenuous.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Orsorum
I want nothing to do with your s and I want no affiliation with you. You can't even come up with a cogent defense of your beliefs other than "the radical left! the radical left! Clinton did it!" Jesus Christ Almighty, get a clue, maybe defend your beliefs through logic, not hashed over logical fallacies and finger-pointing.

What do your comments have to do with the topic?


Oh, like this?

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Just more shameless politcal shenanigans from a morally bankrupt radical left.


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I suppose that's true, Rip, you haven't conceded anything, other than your credibility, not the truth, anyway- You make certain accusations, then refuse to back them up, even refuse to acknowledge that you've been called on it, resorting, instead, to the usual name-calling and diversion. Even your diversions are misrepresentations, distortions, lies, as in the Elian affair.

Feeding tube vs respirator? Get real. Neither Delay's father, nor this poor Schiavo woman, tool of the radical Right, was actually with us in any sense of the the term. Neither possessed any sentience at all at the time the decision was made to allow their lives to end. For anybody who actually has any faith at all, allowing their spirit, their soul, if you will, to move on is an act of kindness, of selflessness, of letting go of the impossible. Neither one was ever coming back, and I applaud the acts of charity on the part of those responsible for their fate as courageous and caring, in the truest sense of honest compassion.

That certainly can't be said of those who'd use others as a political football, aka the Tom Delays of this world. He'd pander to the devil himself, if he thought it would assure re-election....
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin

DeLays father was on a ventilator - Schiavo is not
DeLays father was comatose - Schiavo is not
DeLays fathers kidneys had failed and he needed dialysis - Schiavo's kidneys are fine

As far as being kept alive "artifically", Schiavo needs food just like you and me. Many believe that with proper therapy, she could have been spoon fed.

To suggest that there are similarities is disingenuous.

There are always 'differences' and you choose to focus on those: the effective outcome is the same thing. Don't forget: DeLay's father needed air just like you and me.

To suggest that there are no significant similarities is to offer a free pass to DeLay, when your condemnation of Schiavo should necessitate the same reaction to DeLay.

I don't think either of them did anything wrong (at least in terms of palliative care and/or pulling the plug), until Tom decided to stick his nose into the judicial system in Florida.
 

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the bastard should be calling for unlimited funding of cryogenics. the preservation of life is paramount. even if there is the smallest chance.

and of course unlimited medical spending. how can you object if you are for all life.
 

Riprorin

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The piece in the LA Times was a political hatchet job.

I see that you libs don't have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge the disimilarity between the two cases.

Carry on your smear and disinformation campaign without me.
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
The piece in the LA Times was a political hatchet job.

I see that you libs don't have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge the disimilarity between the two cases.

Carry on your smear and disinformation campaign without me.


Both required intrevention from an outside source to stay alive,both didn't have a living will. I know,what Schiavo's husband said about Terri and here wish not be be kept alive mechanically is lies and heresay but out of the mouth of the Delay family cometh the truth.
 

conjur

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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4565929
Talk of the Nation, March 29, 2005 · The phrase "Culture of Life" gathers a variety of positions into a single -- and straining -- tent. From a belief that life begins at conception to an opposition to physician-assisted suicide, disparate groups have protested the treatment of Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged Florida woman whose feeding tube was removed.

Tom DeLay was one of only 28 members of the House to vote *against* the Americans with Disabilities Act claiming it was too great a burden on businesses.

DeLay filed a law suit against a medical device company after he agreed to pull the plug on his own father. DeLay has been one of the loudest voices in Congress for tort reform and scaling back on issues for which consumers/patients can sue.
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
The piece in the LA Times was a political hatchet job.
L.A. Times and N.Y. Times too liberal for you, Rip? How about something a little more staid, like The Wall Street Journal? :shocked:
REVIEW & OUTLOOK

Smells Like Beltway
The real reason Tom DeLay is in political trouble.


Monday, March 28, 2005 12:01 a.m. EST

By now you have surely read about House Majority Leader Tom DeLay's ethics troubles. Probably, too, you aren't entirely clear as to what those troubles are--something to do with questionable junkets, Indian casino money, funny business on the House Ethics Committee, stuff down in Texas. In Beltway-speak, what this means is that Mr. DeLay has an "odor": nothing too incriminating, nothing actually criminal, just an unsavory whiff that could have GOP loyalists reaching for the political Glade if it gets any worse.

The Beltway wisdom is right. Mr. DeLay does have odor issues. Increasingly, he smells just like the Beltway itself.

Here is the abbreviated rap sheet against Mr. DeLay. First, we have the imbroglio with the House Ethics Committee, which last year rebuked him on three occasions. Among his sins: He offered to endorse outgoing Representative Nick Smith's son in a GOP primary if Mr. Smith would vote "yes" on the Medicare prescription-drug bill. (Mr. Smith declined the offer; his son lost the primary.) Mr. DeLay has since changed Committee rules so that it can no longer launch investigations on a party-line basis, and by packing the Committee with loyalists.

Next, there is the Texas business. Ronnie Earle, the district attorney for Travis County (which contains Austin), last year indicted three DeLay associates involved in his Texans for a Republican Majority political action committee for money laundering and illegal campaign contributions. Mr. Earle also will not rule out a possible indictment of Mr. DeLay himself.

Mr. Earle, a partisan Democrat, has a record of making suspect accusations: In 1993, he indicted newly elected Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison on evidence so weak the case was never brought to trial. The indictments of Mr. DeLay's associates came just six weeks before November's elections; Mr. Earle's primary aim, it seemed, was to derail Mr. DeLay's ultimately successful efforts to achieve the first Republican majority in the Texas delegation to the U.S. House since Reconstruction. Still, the "odor" stuck; last year Mr. DeLay had to fend off a stiff challenge from a complete unknown to keep what otherwise would have been his safe seat.

Finally, there are the junkets, three in particular. In December 1997, Mr. DeLay visited the Northern Marianas Islands in the company of lobbyist pal Jack Abramoff, now under investigation by the Senate Finance Committee, who just happened to be representing the garment industry there. Mr. DeLay later led a legislative effort to extend the Islands' exemption from U.S. immigration and labor laws.
In May 2000, Messrs. DeLay and Abramoff took a $70,000 trip to the U.K. (including a golf outing to the St. Andrews course in Scotland) in the company of two House colleagues and some staff and spouses. Depending on which account you believe, Mr. DeLay's expenses were picked up either by an outfit called the National Center for Public Policy Research, on whose board Mr. Abramoff then sat, or by Mr. Abramoff directly, who later charged the trip to his clients, the gambling Mississippi Choctaw nation. Under House rules, members are not allowed to have their travel expenses covered by a lobbyist.

In August 2001, Mr. DeLay and several House colleagues (including four Democrats) visited South Korea on a trip sponsored by the Korea-United States Exchange Council, which has close ties to former DeLay staff chief Ed Buckham and was registered as foreign agent just days before the trip. House rules forbid members from traveling at their expense, but it is unclear whether Mr. DeLay or his colleagues were aware of the Korean Exchange Council's status at the time of their departure.

Taken separately, and on present evidence, none of the latest charges directly touch Mr. DeLay; at worst, they paint a picture of a man who makes enemies by playing political hardball and loses admirers by resorting to politics-as-usual.

The problem, rather, is that Mr. DeLay, who rode to power in 1994 on a wave of revulsion at the everyday ways of big government, has become the living exemplar of some of its worst habits. Mr. DeLay's ties to Mr. Abramoff might be innocent, in a strictly legal sense, but it strains credulity to believe that Mr. DeLay found nothing strange with being included in Mr. Abramoff's lavish junkets.

Nor does it seem very plausible that Mr. DeLay never considered the possibility that the mega-lucrative careers his former staffers Michael Scanlon and Mr. Buckham achieved after leaving his office had something to do with their perceived proximity to him. These people became rich as influence-peddlers in a government in which legislators like Mr. DeLay could make or break fortunes by tinkering with obscure rules and dispensing scads of money to this or that constituency. Rather than buck this system as he promised to do while in the minority, Mr. DeLay has become its undisputed and unapologetic master as Majority Leader.

Whether Mr. DeLay violated the small print of House Ethics or campaign-finance rules is thus largely beside the point. His real fault lies in betraying the broader set of principles that brought him into office, and which, if he continues as before, sooner or later will sweep him out.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4565929
Talk of the Nation, March 29, 2005 · The phrase "Culture of Life" gathers a variety of positions into a single -- and straining -- tent. From a belief that life begins at conception to an opposition to physician-assisted suicide, disparate groups have protested the treatment of Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged Florida woman whose feeding tube was removed.

Tom DeLay was one of only 28 members of the House to vote *against* the Americans with Disabilities Act claiming it was too great a burden on businesses.

DeLay filed a law suit against a medical device company after he agreed to pull the plug on his own father. DeLay has been one of the loudest voices in Congress for tort reform and scaling back on issues for which consumers/patients can sue.

:thumbsup:
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4565929
Talk of the Nation, March 29, 2005 · The phrase "Culture of Life" gathers a variety of positions into a single -- and straining -- tent. From a belief that life begins at conception to an opposition to physician-assisted suicide, disparate groups have protested the treatment of Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged Florida woman whose feeding tube was removed.

Tom DeLay was one of only 28 members of the House to vote *against* the Americans with Disabilities Act claiming it was too great a burden on businesses.

DeLay filed a law suit against a medical device company after he agreed to pull the plug on his own father. DeLay has been one of the loudest voices in Congress for tort reform and scaling back on issues for which consumers/patients can sue.

:thumbsup:

And your attacking DeLay with respect to disabled people while you're advocating killing a person because of her diability? LOL!
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4565929
Talk of the Nation, March 29, 2005 · The phrase "Culture of Life" gathers a variety of positions into a single -- and straining -- tent. From a belief that life begins at conception to an opposition to physician-assisted suicide, disparate groups have protested the treatment of Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged Florida woman whose feeding tube was removed.
Tom DeLay was one of only 28 members of the House to vote *against* the Americans with Disabilities Act claiming it was too great a burden on businesses.

DeLay filed a law suit against a medical device company after he agreed to pull the plug on his own father. DeLay has been one of the loudest voices in Congress for tort reform and scaling back on issues for which consumers/patients can sue.
:thumbsup:
And your attacking DeLay with respect to disabled people while you're advocating killing a person because of her diability? LOL!
Tom DeLay was fighting against disabled people who still function as normal human beings. Or, do you not know the difference between someone missing a limb or even a paraplegic vs. someone with no cerebral cortex and about half the brain mass of a normal human being who can't even be fed or given drink normally?
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
And your attacking DeLay with respect to disabled people while you're advocating killing a person because of her diability? LOL!
Round and round and round we go. A REAL conservative would want to uphold the law, regardless of which side of the political spectrum the the perp was on. Why can't you find it in your ... ummm.... heart (???) to accept what even other conservative Republicans are starting to acknowledge and admit DeLay's an unethical, hypocritical asshole? Why do you, instead, have to keep dancing WAY off topic, back to Terri Schiavo? It's an entirely separate topic with enough interest that there's a sticky thread just for that.
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Or are you talking about DeLay conveniently disconnecting his own father to let him die? :roll:

FWIW, I've been around such decisions, and I don't fault DeLay for that. It isn't pretty to watch, but sometimes, it's a sadly realistic and correct decision.

There are plenty of other good reasons to roast the prick. It's time for Congress to pull the plug on his political life. :|
 

conjur

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And, for the hat trick!


DeLay daughter's baby shower held by Texas energy firm under investigation
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/delay_baby_shower_reliant_abramoff_406.htm
A Texas energy company being investigated with regards to improper fundraising by those connected with House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) held a baby shower for DeLay's daughter Danielle Ferro in May 2002?and the event was attended by lobbyist Jack Abramoff, who paid for some of the congressman?s overseas travel, RAW STORY has found.

The shower, reported in the Washington, D.C. newspaper Roll Call Jun. 10, 2002 (article posted here), was held at the Washington offices of Reliant Energy Inc., a Texas-based power company that has given heavily to DeLay and his political action committees.

Donations collected from Reliant by a DeLay-linked political action committee are now the subject of a Texas state probe. DeLay?s daughter Danielle helped manage that committee, Texans for a Republican Majority, and her records have been subpoenaed by an Austin grand jury.

An energy lobbyist who counted Reliant among her clients set up the May 10, 2002 event which she estimated cost $250.

?Dani and I have been friends a long time,? the lobbyist told Roll Call.

Just a few weeks later, DeLay held a two-day golf tournament where Reliant chipped in $25,000 to the committee now being investigated in Texas?a contribution that a group later discovered was not reported in campaign filings. Shortly thereafter, DeLay conferenced on an omnibus energy bill.

DeLay was rebuked in October of last year by the Republican-controlled House ethics committee for creating an appearance of favoritism surrounding the Jun. 2, 2002 golf outing.

Among the shower's guests was Jack Abramoff, the lobbyist found to have paid for at least two DeLay trips that were fronted through a conservative nonprofit. The trips, taken in violated of House rules, ran a tab of more than $130,000.

?Some of the lobbyists who attended the shower include Jack Abramoff and Tony Rudy of the lobbying firm Greenberg Traurig, LLP,? Roll Call noted.

Told of the event, one veteran Democratic aide was floored. ?It?s fairly common for corporations to hold receptions in honor of someone, but I?ve never heard of anybody having a baby shower,? the aide said. ?Clearly this shows there was a close relationship and Tom DeLay?s efforts to distance himself from Jack Abramoff [are misleading].?

At the time, DeLay's office blasted those who questioned the shower.

"Dani's girlfriend had a baby shower for her and paid for the Costco finger food out of her own pocket," a DeLay spokesman told the Hill paper. "She invited Dani's friends to celebrate one of the happiest times in life, the birth of a child."

"Tom DeLay understands that his activities are going to be parsed with a great deal of attention," the spokesman added, "but extending this level of intrusiveness to his daughter's baby shower?thrown by and paid for by one of her girlfriends?is cheap."

Ferro is now under investigation by a Texas grand jury examining the fund-raising activities of Texans for a Republican Majority, a Texas state political action committee that was modeled on DeLay's highly effective national PAC. Emails obtained in the case show the Reliant appears to have been solicited by DeLay.

The Texas Observer reported, ?In early June 2002, DeLay held a two-day golf tournament at the Homestead resort in Hot Springs, Virginia. The cost of attending the event was a corporate contribution of $25,000 to $50,000. Five energy companies were invited by Maloney to attend: El Paso Corp., Mirant, Reliant Energy, Westar Energy, and Williams Companies? The golfing took place just before a House-Senate conference on an omnibus energy bill.?

Reliant Energy's director of communications would not comment on the baby shower at the time, but admitted the company allowed the use of its conference room for the event.

"Reliant gave $65,000 in soft money to DeLay's leadership PAC, Americans for a Republican Majority, in 2000 and 2001," Roll Call noted. "Through its own PAC, Reliant has donated $37,000 in hard money to DeLay's re-election campaigns since 1996, and another $6,348 to ARMPAC."

Reliant has run afoul of regulations on several occasions. In 2003, the Houston firm admitted to having violated securities laws to inflate profits by 10 percent; in the same year, they also paid $25 million to Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to settle charges of manipulating California?s energy markets; in 2002, Reliant paid $10.5 million to settle charges of manipulating Texas? energy markets.

Energy company manipulation of the California energy market allowed the firms to overcharge California consumers by more than $20 billion between 2000 and 2001. Among the largest offender was Texas-based Enron, also a top donor solicited by DeLay. According to the Washington Post, DeLay requested $100,000 from Enron be channeled to the Texas political action committee abetting a Texas redistricting effort.

Reliant gave $2,000 to DeLay?s campaign committee in the last election cycle.

DeLay and Ferro could not immediately be reached for comment.


And where is the moral outrage from the party of morals over this complete and utter slimeball? Right here:

House GOP backs DeLay amid ethics scandals
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/APWires/politics/D89A0QSG1.html


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It's amazing how conservatives in U.S. are all about law and order until it applies to one of their own. Then it's "he's
effectively pushing his agenda!" Disgusting!
 

conjur

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DeLay's Lavish Island Getaway
Embattled Lobbyist Arranged DeLay Trip
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=647725&page=1
April 6, 2005 ? A Washington lobbyist under federal investigation for his lobbying activities arranged a lavish overseas trip to the island of Saipan for House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, over the New Year's holiday in 1997.

DeLay, his wife and daughter, and several aides, stayed for free at a beachfront resort.

The DeLay trip to the South Pacific island, originally reported by a "20/20" investigation, was part of an effort by former aide Jack Abramoff to stop legislation aimed at cracking down on sweatshops and sex shops in the American territory, which is known as the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.

Abramoff, who was working for the law firm Preston Gates Ellis and Rouvelas Meeds LLP at the time, was paid $1.36 million by Saipan officials and wrote in a memo obtained by ABC News that such congressional trips were "one of the most effective ways to build permanent friends on the Hill."

Abramoff is now under federal investigation for his lobbying activities, including Saipan, according to a source familiar with the investigation.

Andrew Blum, a spokesman for Abramoff's attorney, said on behalf of Abramoff that they did not comment on pending grand jury investigations.

Also, Blum defended Abramoff's lobbying efforts in Saipan, including DeLay's trip. "Any money paid to Preston Gates from the CNMI was for work that Mr. Abramoff and his team did on behalf of the CNMI during the course of their six-year representation," he said. "Rep. DeLay was one of over 100 members of Congress and their staff to visit the CNMI during that time.

After touring one garment plant, DeLay praised Saipan at the New Year's Eve party attended by top factory owners.

"You represent everything that is good about what we are trying to do in America," DeLay said at the time to his audience, which included Saipan officials and factory owners.

Later, according to a recording made by a human rights investigator posing as a potential customer, one of the prominent factory owners said that DeLay had promised to stop the reform laws.

Continued

Such fine, upstanding morals. Who needs laws preventing sweatshops from exploiting workers?