Tom Delay,hypocrite with no bounds......

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drewshin

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From the Houston Chronicle:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/politics/3103710

But he has angrily rejected suggestions that he seized on the Schiavo case to create distraction from those troubles, and aides say his involvement grew out of strongly held beliefs.

"Congressman DeLay certainly wasn't guided by polls," said his spokesman, Dan Allen.



Sorry to burst your bubble Ozoned, but Delay is still a hypocrite. No magic voices of the people speaking through him.
 

Riprorin

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The LA Times, lol.

DeLay is a target because he's an effective conservative.

There are few similarities between Schiavo and his father. His father was in a coma, he was kept alive by a ventilator and his kidneys had failed.

It's a fairly common and transparent tactic of the libs to label anyone who opposes their secular humanistic radical agenda and their attempt to ram it down our throats as a "hypocrite".
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
The LA Times, lol.

DeLay is a target because he's an effective conservative.

There are few similarities between Schiavo and his father. His father was in a coma, he was kept alive by a ventilator and his kidneys had failed.

It's a fairly common and transparent tactic of the libs to label anyone who opposes their secular humanistic radical agenda and their attempt to ram it down our throats as a "hypocrite".

I love how you use secular humanism like it's a bad word. Secular humanism has been around for centuries and it's hardly radical. I will let others rip you a new one for the other problems with your post. Cheers.
 

mordantmonkey

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
I love how you use secular humanism like it's a bad word. Secular humanism has been around for centuries and it's hardly radical. .

:thumbsup: didn't you know? anything with secular IS a bad word. not to mention humanism, ugh, you need to do more bowing before god.
 

digitalsm

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Just a comment.

DeLays father: respirator, dialysis, and feeding tube.
Terri Shaivo: feeding tube.

Oh and DeLay didnt have much say in pulling the plug to the respirator.
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
The LA Times, lol.

DeLay is a target because he's an effective conservative.

There are few similarities between Schiavo and his father. His father was in a coma, he was kept alive by a ventilator and his kidneys had failed.

It's a fairly common and transparent tactic of the libs to label anyone who opposes their secular humanistic radical agenda and their attempt to ram it down our throats as a "hypocrite".

DeLay is an ass. I hate the asshat.
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
Republicans and hypocrisy go hand in hand.

Democrats and hypocrisy go quite well together as well. Remember the whole Elian thing?
 

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The losers in here are twisting everything because of their dislike of the Bush administration. they know very well that the schiavo case and the Delay case are not the same. Like their counterpart in the msm, they just want to bring Delay down. Woould you losers equate the killing of people by starvation by the Nazis the same as the killing of Schiavo?
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
DeLay is a target because he's an effective conservative.
DeLay is a target because, he's an ethically challenged POS, among the worst of the worst, even for a politician. He is close to being indicted in Texas for hijacking their Congressional election by illegal and unethical means, including illegal donations to and from his two PACs. He's already been called on the carpet several times by the House Ethics Committee. Almost every week brings new revelations about what an unethical asshole he is that even House Republicans are finally waking up and running away from his stench
DeLay Ethics Allegations Now Cause of GOP Concern

By Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 14, 2005; Page A01

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) has dismissed questions about his ethics as partisan attacks, but revelations last week about his overseas travel and ties to lobbyists under investigation have emboldened Democrats and provoked worry among Republicans.

With some members increasingly concerned that DeLay had left himself vulnerable to attack, several Republican aides and lobbyists said for the first time that they are worried about whether he will survive and what the consequences could be for the party's image.

"If death comes from a thousand cuts, Tom DeLay is into a couple hundred, and it's getting up there," said a Republican political consultant close to key lawmakers. "The situation is negatively fluid right now for the guy. You start hitting arteries, it only takes a couple." The consultant, who at times has been a DeLay ally, spoke on the condition of anonymity, saying he could not be candid otherwise.

At least six Republicans expressed concern over the weekend about DeLay's situation. They said they do not think DeLay necessarily deserves the unwanted attention he is receiving. But they said that the volume of the revelations about his operation is becoming alarming and that they do not see how it will abate.

Thomas E. Mann, senior fellow in governance studies at the Brookings Institution, said that DeLay remains generally strong within his party and is an effective leader and operator, but that "signs are emerging that both the number and nature of charges being raised against him could put him in serious political peril."

"While he is far from a nationally recognized figure, Republicans worry that all it takes is more national news coverage to change that, and there seems to be a new episode every week or two," Mann said. "We've seen throughout congressional history that a series of seemingly small ethical missteps can snowball."

House Majority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) said DeLay "has always had, and continues to have, the strong support" of the party. "His leadership and dedication to maintaining and growing our numbers are a significant reason for our Republican majority," he added.

Republican leaders had thought they had built a fortress against future trouble by changing House rules in January and by changing the House ethics committee's Republican membership in February to include members closer to House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) and DeLay. In one previously unreported example of the tight connections, Rep. Lamar S. Smith (R-Tex.), one of the committee's new members, was co-host of a 2002 fundraising breakfast to benefit the DeLay-founded political action committee that is now the subject of a grand jury investigation in Texas. The grand jury is looking into whether the PAC improperly used corporate funds to influence the outcome of state legislative races.

DeLay's legal defense fund received contributions from two of the new ethics committee members, Smith and Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.). The committee admonished DeLay three times last year. Republican leaders later sought the rule changes that made it more difficult to bring new ethics charges against Republicans.


Democratic leaders have introduced a resolution to repeal the rules and said they plan to try to force Republicans to publicly defend the changes at a time when the news media are reporting about DeLay's relationship with lobbyists now under criminal and congressional investigation.

The rule changes require at least one member of each party to support an investigation before it is begun. Under the old rules, if the chairman and top Democrat did not agree on what to do with a complaint within 45 days after it was determined to be valid, an investigative subcommittee was automatically created. Now, a complaint is automatically dismissed if the committee does not act within 45 days.

Democrats opened their protest Thursday, at the ethics committee's first meeting under its new leadership, by preventing the panel from organizing. The committee must adopt rules to function, and those were voted down by a 5 to 5 party-line vote, leaving the House with no mechanism for investigating or punishing members.

Rep. Alan B. Mollohan (W.Va.), the committee's top Democrat, said in a telephone interview yesterday that he will not release his freeze on committee action unless the House undoes the rule changes, and he said he has begun recruiting Republicans to back him. He said he may use a tactic known as a discharge petition, which could force a bill to the floor if enough Republicans back him.

"This will have to be resolved on the House floor," Mollohan said. "These rules undermine the ability of the committee to do its job. Republicans are not going to want to be part of impeding the work of the committee."

The ethics committee, formally known as the Committee on Standards of Official Conduct, is the only panel split evenly between Republicans and Democrats, giving the minority party leverage it does not have anywhere else in the House.

Ron Bonjean, Hastert's communications director, said the party's leaders have no intention of giving in. "It's very clear we're at an impasse caused by Democrat partisan politics," he said. "The House has already voted on rules for this Congress, and there is no credible reason to do it again."

The ethics protest came after a week of unrelenting bad news for DeLay, who was briefly taken to a hospital Thursday after he experienced what his staff called fatigue related to a heart arrhythmia. Two Sundays ago, CBS's "60 Minutes" aired a 12-minute segment reminding a national audience that a Democratic district attorney in Austin is continuing to suggest he might indict DeLay as part of an investigation of the involvement of money from Texans for a Republican Majority, a political action committee founded by DeLay, in the state's redistricting controversy.

On Wednesday, the New York Times said documents entered as evidence in a civil trial in Austin "suggest that Mr. DeLay was more actively involved than previously known in gathering corporate donations for" the committee, known as TRMPAC.

On Thursday, The Washington Post reported that DeLay and other members, including some Democrats, had accepted trips from the Korea-U.S. Exchange Council, which had registered as a foreign agent. That would make the trips a violation of House rules, although both DeLay and the group said he was not told about the registration until last week.


Dan Allen, DeLay's communications director, said his boss was a natural target for Democrats. "Congressman DeLay is a fixture of the conservative movement who's been a very effective leader that works with Republicans to get results," he said. "That alone makes him a target of the Democrats and their allies, but it is also the reason he enjoys the steadfast support of House Republicans."

Smith, the new Texan on the ethics committee, said the TRMPAC fundraising breakfast -- which invited supporters to spend as much as $10,000 for "underwriter" status -- would not interfere with his new duties. "When someone joins this committee, they make a solemn vow to protect the integrity of the House of Representatives," he said through an aide. "That means that every decision has to be based on the merits, not partisanship."
Look up SLEEZE in the dictionary. It says, See Tom DeLay. :frown:
 

dannybin1742

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i'm sorry rip, on this one the evidence favors his illegal dealing, how can you keep rationalizing for this peice of filth

i beleive there was a quote by him along the lines of this:

it is in the gop's best interest to accept corporate money to further its influence in goverment

i'll take the post and the times any day over your "national review"
 

Jhhnn

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Heard this one today-

How do they define marriage in Florida?

It's one man, one woman, her parents, and the US Congress...


And Rip links the NRO, as if that's some mainstream news outlet, rather than a politcal organ of the right wing of the Republican Party... Yeh, I know, they're every bit as independent as Gannon, or the Swiftliars, and they'll say whatever they want, which somehow always ends up being the party line...
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Heard this one today-

How do they define marriage in Florida?

It's one man, one woman, her parents, and the US Congress...


And Rip links the NRO, as if that's some mainstream news outlet, rather than a politcal organ of the right wing of the Republican Party... Yeh, I know, they're every bit as independent as Gannon, or the Swiftliars, and they'll say whatever they want, which somehow always ends up being the party line...

If you want to worship at the altar of the LA Times and the Washington Post and convince yourself that they are unbiased, go right ahead.

Did it bother you when Janet Reno short-circuited the legal process in the Elian Gonzalez case?

If not, why?
 

Jhhnn

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Nice try, Rip- No Cigar. If you want to talk about Elian, start another thread...

You should know I won't fall for any variation of the "But Clinton!" misdirection play...
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Nice try, Rip- No Cigar. If you want to talk about Elian, start another thread...

You should know I won't fall for any variation of the "But Clinton!" misdirection play...

I'll take that to mean you aren't bothered by Janet Reno highjacking the legal process in the Elian Gonzalez case and you are merely a politcal hack.
 

dannybin1742

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this thread is about delay, not janet reno, as jhhnn said , "but clinton" is not gonna work, and what she did was right, that kid was not an american citizen, the ends justified the means
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'll take that to mean you aren't bothered by Janet Reno highjacking the legal process in the Elian Gonzalez case and you are merely a politcal hack.
I'll take that to mean you aren't bothered by DeLay's unethical and illegal corrupiton of the political process and you are merely hijacking the thread away from the subject.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: dannybin1742
this thread is about delay, not janet reno, as jhhnn said , "but clinton" is not gonna work, and what she did was right, that kid was not an american citizen, the ends justified the means

The 11th US Circuit Court of Appeals turned down the Justice Departments's request to order Elain removed from his relatives home.

That didn't stop Janet Reno from having him removed.

So, if you think that the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals - the same court that has rejected Terri Shiavio's parent pleas - has no authority, would you oppose Jeb Bush putting Terri Schiavo under protective custody and reinserting her feeding tube?
 

Harvey

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Rip -- Stop trying to hijack the thread. Janet Reno had nothing to do with Tom DeLay's crap. If you want to cry about Janet Reno, set your wayback machine to six years ago, and post a thread about it... Preferably then, when it might have meant something, not now.

Since I doubt you'll listen to me, I'll give the thread a shove back in the right direction.

Tom Delay is a lying, scumbag, hypocritical POS.
Tom Delay is a lying, scumbag, hypocritical POS.
Tom Delay is a lying, scumbag, hypocritical POS.
Tom Delay is a lying, scumbag, hypocritical POS.
Tom Delay is a lying, scumbag, hypocritical POS.
Tom Delay is a lying, scumbag, hypocritical POS.
Tom Delay is a lying, scumbag, hypocritical POS.
Tom Delay is a lying, scumbag, hypocritical POS.


Deal with it. :|
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'll take that to mean you aren't bothered by Janet Reno highjacking the legal process in the Elian Gonzalez case and you are merely a politcal hack.
I'll take that to mean you aren't bothered by DeLay's unethical and illegal corrupiton of the political process and you are merely hijacking the thread away from the subject.

From the Washington Post article you cited:

"On Thursday, The Washington Post reported that DeLay and other members, including some Democrats, had accepted trips from the Korea-U.S. Exchange Council, which had registered as a foreign agent. That would make the trips a violation of House rules, although both DeLay and the group said he was not told about the registration until last week."

According the National Review:

Last week, the Washington Post reported that DeLay had accepted a paid trip from the Korea-United States Exchange Council (KORUSEC) in 2001...

Pelosi responded to the Post's story by repeatedly insisting DeLay's involvement warranted investigation by the House Ethics Committee. Meanwhile, the media coverage of KORUSEC continues to focus almost exclusively on DeLay and any possible investigation of his trip by the House Ethics Committee.

However, buried in the 20th paragraph of last Thursday's Post reporting was acknowledgement that a Nancy Pelosi staffer had taken a comparable trip with KORUSEC in 2003. What's more, Pelosi's office had failed to file the required financial documentation for the trip until the Washington Post came looking for it. Other Democrats took part in KORUSEC trips as well.

Still, Pelosi continues to push for a DeLay investigation. When pressed on its merits she is short on evidence. When asked is she believes DeLay committed an ethics violation, Pelosi told the press, "I have no idea."

American Public Radio tallied expenditures for so-called "power trips." In the reported listings, Democrats took 54 percent of such trips, spending $7,809,837 during 2,730 excursions. Nine of the top 10 spenders and the entire top five were Democrats. John Breaux led the field with $158,000 dollars spent. Robert Wexler, Gene Green, Maurice Hinchey, and Cal Dooley round out of the top five, all in the $150,000-dollar range. Jim McDermott and James Clyburn also made the top 10.

Is one of the bogus "ethics violations" you are refering to?



 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Rip -- Stop trying to hijack the thread. Janet Reno had nothing to do with Tom DeLay's crap. If you want to cry about Janet Reno, set your wayback machine to six years ago, and post a thread about it... Preferably then, when it might have meant something, not now.

Since I doubt you'll listen to me, I'll give the thread a shove back in the right direction.

Tom Delay is a lying, scumbag, hypocritical POS.
Tom Delay is a lying, scumbag, hypocritical POS.
Tom Delay is a lying, scumbag, hypocritical POS.
Tom Delay is a lying, scumbag, hypocritical POS.
Tom Delay is a lying, scumbag, hypocritical POS.
Tom Delay is a lying, scumbag, hypocritical POS.
Tom Delay is a lying, scumbag, hypocritical POS.
Tom Delay is a lying, scumbag, hypocritical POS.


Deal with it. :|

Clearly, you liberal's phoney charges of "hypocrisy" are misguided and misplaced.

Just more shameless politcal shenanigans from a morally bankrupt radical left.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Clearly, you liberal's phoney charges of "hypocrisy" are misguided and misplaced.

Just more shameless politcal shenanigans from a morally bankrupt radical left.
I didn't do it. He did. Even conservative Republicans are acknowledging it.

Just more lame, shameless political evasion, sidestepping and diversion from a morally bankrupt individual who can't refute reality.

 

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Originally posted by: smc13
Btw, why are you guys just blaming Republicans? The Senate Democrats are as much to blame. They agreed to the voice vote and it appears that it was unanimous.

My recollection is that the House vote among Dems was 51 to 43 against. I don't recall the Senate vote one way or the other.

I think only 4 or 5 Republican House members were opposed (with more than 200 for).

So I guess his means that although Dems are slimey, they're less slimey than Repubs.

the exact vote in the house is for republicans 156(yes), 5(no) 71(did not vote) for democrats it was 47(yes), 53(no), 102(did not vote) the lone independent did not vote either.

in the senate it was a voice vote.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Clearly, you liberal's phoney charges of "hypocrisy" are misguided and misplaced.

Just more shameless politcal shenanigans from a morally bankrupt radical left.
I didn't do it. He did. Even conservative Republicans are acknowledging it.

Just more lame, shameless political evasion, sidestepping and diversion from a morally bankrupt individual who can't refute reality.

Harvey, you and Nancy Pelosi make quite the power couple!
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Harvey, you and Nancy Pelosi make quite the power couple!
Hey! Something we agree on. I like Pelosi's views, and I'll vote for her again, next time.

Now, let's get back to that sh8 bag, DeLay. That WAS the subject of this thread until you started trying to hijack it away from the truth. :cool: